DUST Search - Shield Class

calvin b wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

calvin b wrote:

No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react.

Any other shied users that wish to comment?

The thing about assault Cal is..

You are doing it wrong. THe true strength is SHIELD REGEN.

My CK.0 Scout
1 cx Shield energizer
1 enh shield energizer
1 cx Shield recharger
2 cx shield extenders
2 cx reactive plates
1 cx ferroscale

i have around 450 shields + 400 armor

I have 105 Shield regen rate per sec and 7.5 armor rep per sec.

Guaranteed OP. (at distance.)

(A more balanced fit)
1 cx dam mods
2 cx shield energizers
2 shield extenders
1 cx armor rep
2 cx ferroscales

I hate to break it to you but shields have a delay when they are depleted or taking damage. If you take just 1 HP of damage your shields will stop regenerating. You can stack all you want in the regen section but all that does is nothing when taking damage. Armor reps no matter if you are behind cover or not. Shields stop regenerating each time they take damage. One flux and your done for or a Viz ScR will melt you. I am going to replicate your suit and I will see how well it does. By the way what weapon do you use for I know running all the shield mods is going to drain your CPU and PG easily.

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calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2269	Posted - 2014.12.05 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react. Any other shied users that wish to comment? Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2286	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote calvin b wrote: No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react. Any other shied users that wish to comment? while you have some valid points shield based suits just arnt frontline fighters.. they are cover to cover skirmishers and Hit n Run gurillas.. its probably why there is flux nades so they can screw over the caldari and winmatar cause them slow gallenteand amarr be jellin on how fast shield suits are #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1206	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:09:00 - [3] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: calvin b wrote: No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react. Any other shied users that wish to comment? while you have some valid points shield based suits just arnt frontline fighters.. they are cover to cover skirmishers and Hit n Run gurillas.. its probably why there is flux nades so they can screw over the caldari and winmatar cause them slow gallenteand amarr be jellin on how fast shield suits are Well now gal suits are faster with great rep/hp..... and can stack damage mods.... we shields got um.... regen Some speed Little tank We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2297	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:17:00 - [4] - Quote I have cal assault and min assault. I dont agree to that. Because laughing as a CR using scout tries to drop my shields and able to have the advantage of my shields to survive HMGs, CRs, RRs is far more worth it to me than having a mod to increase resistance for my shields. Now do i hate running into a SCR or AR? You better believe it. That is why i dual tank. Ferroscales, Shields, rechargers, energizers, to regen as quick so when i pop out from cover, mind you if the bastard threw a flux, i can be at full health in no time. Plus i hate being slow gal or amarr. Zig-zaging to cover is life for cal and min. Amarr and Gal can just stand there and laugh at you. PSN Sil4ntChaozz HAWK, NINJA, ASSASSIN, STORMTROOPER Being a better Me not a better you
Dauth Jenkins Titans of Phoenix 596	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:19:00 - [5] - Quote ive always had around 400 shields on my proto suits, its not really a problem if you know how to use it. any major buffs and it will become too good -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 429	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:26:00 - [6] - Quote There is a huge bias against shields & noting the recharge time vs. armor regen time is apples to oranges, which is my guess as to where this conversation will lead. There are a lot of options for instantly taking down shields & no comparible armor options. Evej more worrisome is the changes to OB's in line for 1.10. EMP strikes at rock bottom wp prices are going to decimate any & all shield based suits. My usual fit (std cal scout) has around 305 ehp, with only 86 armor. I know what i'm getting into running at these levels and play accordingly (don't act surprised when i get OHK'd) but i don't see many others who are forced to deal with similar problems. OB's, FG's & PLC's can OHK all, they are not race specific killers like the SCR or LR. Hell, even locus nades still have to go through shields before they start eating away armor where a flux will instantly leave you with your pants down. Hit & run from cover tactics that are required for shield based fits also don't finish opponents like an armor baed suit who can stand to take some hits. Everyone knows there is no wp's for annoying enemies. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3401	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:31:00 - [7] - Quote Majority of weapons are meant to kill armor not shields, and the top shield killers are very niche unlike armor killers which can be used in almost every scenario. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
shaman oga T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 3371	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:34:00 - [8] - Quote Shield and armor tankers have 2 different way of playing the game, if you don't feel good with shield then go armor tank. Armor tank do well with aggressive playstyle, shield tank is better for reasoned-tactical playstyle. Good luck at killing a shield tanker which waits for armor tankers to go first, he will probably steal all their kills coming from behind. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1003	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:53:00 - [9] - Quote I'd take +300 armor over +300 shields any day.
Jacques Cayton II Titans of Phoenix 1206	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:54:00 - [10] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: I'd take +300 armor over +300 shields any day. Shields need a buff to regen delay or all out buff to ext We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 557	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:11:00 - [11] - Quote Cover playstyle in Dust? Just nope. You're either fighting in towns (armor ground) or at outside points [where scouts are hunting] Additional note. Leave your cover and your regenerared shields will be down in one ScR shoot. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6114	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:38:00 - [12] - Quote calvin b wrote: No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react. Any other shied users that wish to comment? The thing about assault Cal is.. You are doing it wrong. THe true strength is SHIELD REGEN. My CK.0 Scout 1 cx Shield energizer 1 enh shield energizer 1 cx Shield recharger 2 cx shield extenders 2 cx reactive plates 1 cx ferroscale i have around 450 shields + 400 armor I have 105 Shield regen rate per sec and 7.5 armor rep per sec. Guaranteed OP. (at distance.) (A more balanced fit) 1 cx dam mods 2 cx shield energizers 2 shield extenders 1 cx armor rep 2 cx ferroscales Amarrian Born. State Patriot.
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1617	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:06:00 - [13] - Quote calvin b wrote: No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react. Any other shied users that wish to comment? i went 36-5 in a dom against heavies with a 344 shield cal assault, use range and stack damage mods also 634 (forggoten exact amount) shield and 260 armour with breach or ADV any other weapon is more than possible. and i slay with my 874 shield heavy, i think maybe you just don't do very well with shield suits DUST VIDEOS
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2269	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:15:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: calvin b wrote: No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react. Any other shied users that wish to comment? The thing about assault Cal is.. You are doing it wrong. THe true strength is SHIELD REGEN. My CK.0 Scout 1 cx Shield energizer 1 enh shield energizer 1 cx Shield recharger 2 cx shield extenders 2 cx reactive plates 1 cx ferroscale i have around 450 shields + 400 armor I have 105 Shield regen rate per sec and 7.5 armor rep per sec. Guaranteed OP. (at distance.) (A more balanced fit) 1 cx dam mods 2 cx shield energizers 2 shield extenders 1 cx armor rep 2 cx ferroscales I hate to break it to you but shields have a delay when they are depleted or taking damage. If you take just 1 HP of damage your shields will stop regenerating. You can stack all you want in the regen section but all that does is nothing when taking damage. Armor reps no matter if you are behind cover or not. Shields stop regenerating each time they take damage. One flux and your done for or a Viz ScR will melt you. I am going to replicate your suit and I will see how well it does. By the way what weapon do you use for I know running all the shield mods is going to drain your CPU and PG easily. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1006	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:20:00 - [15] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: I'd take +300 armor over +300 shields any day. Shields need a buff to regen delay or all out buff to ext I'd prefer to see HP/module reduced for plates and/or greater mobility penalties. HP values are pretty ridiculous as is; wouldn't want to add to the creep.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8698	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:41:00 - [16] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Cover playstyle in Dust? Just nope. You're either fighting in towns (armor ground) or at outside points [where scouts are hunting] Additional note. Leave your cover and your regenerared shields will be down in one ScR shoot. Sounds like you're just making excuses. Allow me to do the same sense we are playing pussyfoot. Quote: Just nope, I can't survive against all the Combat Rifles and Mass Drivers. You're either fighting in towns (Mass Drivers and combat Rifles on the rooftops) or outside points [where Combat Rifles and scouts are hunting] Additional note. Leave your cover and your repaired armor will be down in one Mass Driver Round. But seriously, you're blaming scouts in the open for not being able to do what you do? You know stupid that sounds as an excuse right. Open areas are the best place to engage scouts because they can't run behind cover and ambush you. Both Armor and Shields have pros and cons. If people used the pros of shield tanking to their advantage instead of just bitching about armor the amount of these Shield QQ threads would be far less in frequency. The only thing shields by itself need is a damage threshold so one small tick of damage won't stop it's regeneration, a module to increase the damage threshold might be cool as well. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6117	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:55:00 - [17] - Quote calvin b wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: calvin b wrote: No this is not a buff or nerf thread. I have skilled into 3 out of the 5 Cal suit classes and I have to say how horrible they are with exception of one and that is the scout. The Commando cannot last more than 3 seconds in any fire fight that I have been in. The Assault also has issues for I can tank close to 700 in shields and die faster than a Gal. The issue is most weapons being used are designed to drop shields, AR, ScR, SG, just to name the top 3 weapons. The shield based suits have it bad and that is why I believe we need a shield hardener. Nothing crazy just something to make it where we do not melt. For once the shields are gone then the suit is done for. Have you tried to find cover when your using a shield suit. Its a joke for your shields drop faster than you can react. Any other shied users that wish to comment? The thing about assault Cal is.. You are doing it wrong. THe true strength is SHIELD REGEN. My CK.0 Scout 1 cx Shield energizer 1 enh shield energizer 1 cx Shield recharger 2 cx shield extenders 2 cx reactive plates 1 cx ferroscale i have around 450 shields + 400 armor I have 105 Shield regen rate per sec and 7.5 armor rep per sec. Guaranteed OP. (at distance.) (A more balanced fit) 1 cx dam mods 2 cx shield energizers 2 shield extenders 1 cx armor rep 2 cx ferroscales I hate to break it to you but shields have a delay when they are depleted or taking damage. If you take just 1 HP of damage your shields will stop regenerating. You can stack all you want in the regen section but all that does is nothing when taking damage. Armor reps no matter if you are behind cover or not. Shields stop regenerating each time they take damage. One flux and your done for or a Viz ScR will melt you. I am going to replicate your suit and I will see how well it does. By the way what weapon do you use for I know running all the shield mods is going to drain your CPU and PG easily. One word: Cover. Caldaris fight smart. I can see how this doesnt compute for you, seeing you are gallente XD But caldari suits are meant to fight at distance and with cover. Take cover for a few secs (and while the armor tanked A*** runs towards you you will have all your HP back. Remember, you ARE talking to someone who uses RR on a Caldari ASsault and does great with it...so i know what im talking about :3 mmm'kay Amarrian Born. State Patriot.**
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1390	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:59:00 - [18] - Quote BS, Calmando is great dual weilding RR's or Using SR and RR or SL with RR. Cal Sentinel has resistance to the HMG Cal Assault isn't that bad. Reload speed can come handy Cal Logi has dem hives Cal Scout is the best scout with that hit detection Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 429	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:18:00 - [19] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Majority of weapons are meant to kill armor not shields, and the top shield killers are very niche unlike armor killers which can be used in almost every scenario. None of the armor "killer" weapons are as efficent at killing armor as the shield killer weapons are at dropping shields. Just saying. Sure would like a grenade that damages armor without affecting shields. Would be op as **** paired with a ScR, but would make for a fun day (like the fed duvolles with 1k rof, 1 fun day). Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1296	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:29:00 - [20] - Quote i never went into shields in this game because they are inherently broken. in eve shields rep passively, i was expecting to be able to have a drake like tank with at least one decent shield suit. but theyre all awful so it was never possible. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2207	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:39:00 - [21] - Quote A bricked Shield suit is pretty good. A Regen Shield suit so Ok, if you play to its play-style. I am annoyed w/ how people say that shield is SUPPOSED to be weak for frontline fighting, completely ignoring the fact that you HAVE to fight the frontlines in order to hack the cannons. Its a set up to fail compared to the Gallente or Amarr who are designed for CQC, point fighting, which you HAVE to do in order to win matches. A Match of 6 Caldari Assaults decked out in regen fits PROLLY wouldn't win over a Set of 5 GalSalts and a GalLogi fitted with armor and dmg mods in the highs. Most likely not. They can win in CQC, which is all that really matters in the current maps, and their logi will simply rep them, giving them regen superior to the Shields, and with better damage. While you could say that "Teamwork Prevails", I'd say we don't even have the option for that support. I don't get that extra bonus for teaming. I get a suit that would be better suited for solo play then taking full advantage of the squad system. I Live for Tears
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 557	Posted - 2014.12.06 01:36:00 - [22] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Cover playstyle in Dust? Just nope. You're either fighting in towns (armor ground) or at outside points [where scouts are hunting] Additional note. Leave your cover and your regenerared shields will be down in one ScR shoot. Sounds like you're just making excuses. Allow me to do the same sense we are playing pussyfoot. Quote: Just nope, I can't survive against all the Combat Rifles and Mass Drivers. You're either fighting in towns (Mass Drivers and combat Rifles on the rooftops) or outside points [where Combat Rifles and scouts are hunting] Additional note. Leave your cover and your repaired armor will be down in one Mass Driver Round. But seriously, you're blaming scouts in the open for not being able to do what you do? You know stupid that sounds as an excuse right. Open areas are the best place to engage scouts because they can't run behind cover and ambush you. Both Armor and Shields have pros and cons. If people used the pros of shield tanking to their advantage instead of just bitching about armor the amount of these Shield QQ threads would be far less in frequency. The only thing shields by itself need is a damage threshold so one small tick of damage won't stop it's regeneration, a module to increase the damage threshold might be cool as well. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 163	Posted - 2014.12.06 03:02:00 - [23] - Quote There are two big things missing that make the while shield thing from EVE work. Capacitor and ECM. Neither exist in this game and therefore make the whole Caldari shield thing useless. With a capacitor, shield mods can become active, largely permanent and therefore powerful. Also, ECM makes shields viable in close quarters. It is literally the basis of shield use in close quarters. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6305	Posted - 2014.12.06 06:50:00 - [24] - Quote I actually prefer running shields to armor. Especially now that I am constantly fighting HMG wielding Sentinels and dancing with scouts. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Insufficient Data WarRavens Capital Punishment. 76	Posted - 2014.12.06 09:21:00 - [25] - Quote The thing with shield classes are that you need to build it with your mind on regen and distance. My preferred proto Cal Assault setup is as follows. Quafe Assault CK.0 x1 Complex Shield Energizer x1 Complex Shield Recharger x1 Complex Shield Extender x2 Enhanced Shield Extender x1 Ishu or Kal Rail Rifle x1 Adv SMG x2 Core Locus Grenades X3 Allotek Hives x1 Complex Reactive Plate x1 Complex Ferroscale Plate x1 Complex Shield Regulator Depending on the situation I keep a second suit with two Complex Shield Regulators and 3 Complex Shield Extenders. The problem with my set up is I have to rely solely on my Proficiency 5 RR-SMG to deal acceptable damage. So my play style is aggressive defense on skirmish or tactical defense on domination. Insufficient Data:GÇªGÇª GÇªGÇª GÇªGÇª


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