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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.27 23:52:00 -
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"Without KBM it alienates every PC gamer."
They already did that releasing it on the PS3 did they not ?
If EVE PC players are the majority when the game is released the game will have flopped
Dust needs console gamers more than EVE players simply cos there is more of them
Upsetting the majority to please the minority is bad business |
Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:35:00 -
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Turkatron Montag wrote:Meh, I think console players are scared
And the game needs those "scared console players" or it will flop
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 00:47:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:Turkatron Montag wrote:Meh, I think console players are scared
And the game needs those "scared console players" or it will flop Those that don't care enough to get a keyboard and mouse won't care enough to notice.
They will know about it because very few console games have it
There's good reasons for this |
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:02:00 -
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Upset the majority to please the minority
And unbalance the game while your at it
Yea KB+M is a great idea
PC gamers need to wise up and realise Dust is a console FPS and it needs console FPS players money to be a success
I only hope they nerf the KB+M and don't add a load of aim assist to the game pad which would ruin the game for everyone
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:07:00 -
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[quote=Move controllers are not better than a DS3. Anecdotal evidence aside, there are signifiapcant advantages to having 1:1 control for view. They wouldn't implement this in other shooters if it was really unbalanced. MAG and Dust 514 are shooters plain and simple. Everyone getting so defence because of control schemes just needs to take a step back. There is no way they would imbalance the game in such a big way.
A good game is going to be a good game no matter what kind of controller you are using.[/quote]
Anyone who played shadowrun would disagree
And seeing as how they pulled it from CS GO it seems Valve disagrees
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:27:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:Upset the majority to please the minority
And unbalance the game while your at it
Yea KB+M is a great idea
PC gamers need to wise up and realise Dust is a console FPS and it needs console FPS players money to be a success
I only hope they nerf the KB+M and don't add a load of aim assist to the game pad which would ruin the game for everyone
I'm certain that PS3 owners who don't at least own a desktop PC with USB KBM are in the minority. And even fewer would actually notice the difference. Meanwhile, the majority of gamers who are affluent enough to get a 10 dollar USB KBM will enjoy smoother controls and better gameplay.
You don't get it
Majority of players will be Console players who don't want / not practical to use a KB+M
Why should they majority change to KB+M or suck it up and play at a disadvantage
Just to appese the minority
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:42:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:You don't get it Majority of players will be Console players who don't want / not practical to use a KB+M
Why should they majority change to KB+M or suck it up and play at a disadvantage
Just to appese the minority Because it'll be better for everyone in the end. Although I can't imagine why people wouldn't want to use better controls. Sure, it may take some getting used to but that getting used to period is very short.
LOTS OF PEOPLE USE A PAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO
LOTS OF PEOPLE PLAY ON CONSOLES COS THEY WANT TOO
You seem to think people only play on consoles with pads because there scared or cant afford PC's and KB+M
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:49:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Ignatius Crumwald wrote:Honestly, I think this is one of those promises they need to backpedal on.
I was just playing Some CS:GO classic mode today and... They just really need to backpedal on this.
It's gonna be a total disaster. I would be seriously disappointed if they just downgrade for the stubborn few who refuse to upgrade to KBM. :(
Few really
you do know this is a console FPS dont you ??
I would be seriously disappointed if they just Add KB+M and unbalance the game for the stubborn few who refuse to upgrade to a game pad (fixed for you)
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:58:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:
LOTS OF PEOPLE USE A PAD BECAUSE THEY WANT TOO
LOTS OF PEOPLE PLAY ON CONSOLES COS THEY WANT TOO
You seem to think people only play on consoles with pads because there scared or cant afford PC's and KB+M
... Why would someone prefer playing an FPS on a gamepad? KBM is far, FAR superior.
haha your incomprehension is hilarious
I ask you this . Why would they release the game on console when PC is superior and the majority want to use and are better off with KB+M ?? |
Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:02:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:
haha your incomprehension is hilarious
I ask you this . Why would they release the game on console when PC is superior and the majority want to use and are better off with KB+M ??
Because they wanted a new audience to become part of the EVE community.
And what controller dose that new audience use ?? |
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Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:14:00 -
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Raynor Ragna wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Raynor Ragna wrote:+1 to KBM support. either decision they make, they'll be alienating some market.
Without KBM it alienates every PC gamer. With KBM it alienates a small percentage of the PS3 market (Which is only the few who can't stand the though of playing against PC gamers).
It seems like an obvious decision to make. Plus it gives EVERYONE the option of using their KBM on the game. Since everyone here has a computer, everyone can use it. The problem isnt "playing against PC gamers" the problem is that KBM is extremely difficult to balance against a controller. It's just a simpler and more precise control scheme, and one that many folks dont get any enjoyment out of using. and your premise that catering to PC players over PS3 players on a PS3 game is the obvious choice is just silly. Also, not everyone here has a keyboard and mouse they could use for this purpose. I don't. I have a laptop and a tablet. Let's all hope they get this right and none of this matters What I am saying is that most PC gamers wont play if they are stuck with the DS3. Most console players don't really seem to care either way so long as its decently balanced. CCP will be putting in mechanisms to balance the gameplace between the two since one of the 'features' of a heavy is that it is slow to turn. So in the end, its really not much of an issue. I will be using both the DS3 and the KBM given that they both have their strong points.
Who has balanced KB+M and game pad in a FPS before ??
Why do you think Dust will do it ??
People will fined out about getting owned by KB+M and will rage quit the game rightly or wrongly
Its a free to play game. they need the console players to hang around |
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:21:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:
Who has balanced KB+M and game pad in a FPS before ??
Why do you think Dust will do it ??
People will fined out about getting owned by KB+M and will rage quit the game rightly or wrongly
Its a free to play game. they need the console players to hang around
How will they know that they got killed by someone with mouse and keyboard?
people talk while they play
Dont you think the number one thing game pad users will shout when they get killed is " *&%*@* mouse players soo unfair" and so on
And you seem to think that all console players are ignorant simpletons |
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:37:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:people talk while they play Dont you think the number one thing game pad users will shout when they get killed is " *&%*@* mouse players soo unfair" and so on And you seem to think that all console players are ignorant simpletons[/b][/i] The way you describe it, you make it sound as though they are blaming KBM as a scapegoat for their own shortcomings. I know I'd have trouble telling whether or not someone who killed me in this game was using KBM. But anyway, don't you think it is a little irrational to remove a more functional control method just because console players are used to an inferior one?
They wouldn't know for sure but it would be a excuse. I was telling you how players would fined out about there being KB+M players
Its not irrational
Just like not letting a few drivers use a F1 car while the majority are in F3 cars is not irrational
U could add time pens and other handicaps but the race would just be better off with everyone in the same car |
Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:03:00 -
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Lilianna Sentinel wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:
They wouldn't know for sure but it would be a excuse. I was telling you how players would fined out about there being KB+M players
Its not irrational
Just like not letting a few drivers use a F1 car while the majority are in F3 cars is not irrational
U could add time pens and other handicaps but the race would just be better off with everyone in the same car
I'm afraid your analogy falls on deaf ears since I know diddly squat about racing.
You don't need to, Just read the last bit
" U could add time pens and other handicaps but the race would just be better off with everyone in the same car " |
Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.30 09:59:00 -
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Geda Ambramotte wrote:Kovak Therim wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:Keyboard/mouse will still be more accurate. The issue is not as much with in-game turning restrictions as it is with joysticks can't aim for shite. I can't wait to see K/M support, and by the way, great work CCP! If you guys keep this up, dust could be a great game. I can aim just fine with a DS3. It's called practice. You PC players should try it. In any case, if the M/K and DS3 players are mixed, then the balance of the game has been destroyed. You can counter a players equipment and tactics, but a DS3 player will never be able to overcome the point & click capabilty of the mouse. Yeah, I practiced KB/M my whole life and I dont really feel like starting from scratch. I'm looking forward to support, because I just feel like DS3 (or controllers in general) are too clumsy. Its like giving a surgeon a rusty knife. Even the best surgeon will have problems dealing with it.
More like giving a guy who uses a Katana a Claymore but he's to weak to use it
But yea lets unbalance the game so PC players will be happy on this console game |
Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:41:00 -
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Geda Ambramotte wrote:Fatmanpro wrote:Geda Ambramotte wrote:Kovak Therim wrote:Forums Veteran wrote:Keyboard/mouse will still be more accurate. The issue is not as much with in-game turning restrictions as it is with joysticks can't aim for shite. I can't wait to see K/M support, and by the way, great work CCP! If you guys keep this up, dust could be a great game. I can aim just fine with a DS3. It's called practice. You PC players should try it. In any case, if the M/K and DS3 players are mixed, then the balance of the game has been destroyed. You can counter a players equipment and tactics, but a DS3 player will never be able to overcome the point & click capabilty of the mouse. Yeah, I practiced KB/M my whole life and I dont really feel like starting from scratch. I'm looking forward to support, because I just feel like DS3 (or controllers in general) are too clumsy. Its like giving a surgeon a rusty knife. Even the best surgeon will have problems dealing with it. More like giving a guy who uses a Katana a Claymore but he's to weak to use it But yea lets unbalance the game so PC players will be happy on this console game Its nice of you to assume things I didn't even say. Lets break it down for you, shall we. I don't want the game to be unbalanced. I see and accept the fact that KB/M is faster and more precise compared to a controller, but I'm pretty sure the guys at CCP know all that. Thats why I'm sure they have a plan to balance them. Looking at your last sentence, I get the feeling that you don't want anybody als but hardcore console gamers to play this game. What is the problem with making it more accessible to others as well? CCP announced that they would give the option to chose between controller and KB/M, and as a PC player (shooterwise) I'm more appealed and accustomed to the whole KB/M setup. Just deal with it.
History tells you that you cant have both on a console FPS |
Fatmanpro
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:54:00 -
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Geda Ambramotte wrote:Fatmanpro wrote: History tells you that you cant have both on a console FPS
How so? And even if: The gaming industry lives off of innovations. Without innovations, the whole industry would go down the drain.
Everyone who has done it has wrecked there game
Others realise late and pull the feature just in time
Yes CCP who have made many console shooters are well placed to be the 1st to crack it |
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:00:00 -
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