DUST Search - ADS appears dominant

Thumb Green wrote:

Dust User wrote:

Thumb Green wrote:

Dust User wrote:

Thumb Green wrote:

It's fcking ridiculous that a small missile turret can kill a sentinel in the time it takes the regular FG to charge a single shot

What suit you running that does this? I can survive several blasts.

Also: Ishukone Assault Forge Gun > everything else

If you're using the regular forge you're doing it wrong.

I use the Amarr, I use mostly reps on it to keep it light so it's easier to avoid direct hits as well as to rep up quickly so I'm not just a sitting duck with low health; AV with extremely poor mobility dies quicker than AV with just poor mobility. I do use the IAFG but that's irrelevant to the point that small missiles can kill a sentinel in the time it takes for the regular FG to charge. Some people don't like the AFG and I don't blame them; getting the timing right on an evasive ADS can be quite hard with the AFG.

Using Amarr to forge is your first mistake. Caldari is where it's at.

If you land the first shot it will knock the ADS around giving you time to land the second shot before he can adjust to hit you again. I rarely lose 1v1 encounters to an ADS unless I miss that first shot.

If you're having trouble hitting them with the AFG the only thing I can tell you is practice makes perfect.

When I skilled into it Amarr was the half-way between AV and AI. It still works well enough and I've got other SP priorities besides completely skilling into a new dropsuit tree. Talk all the smack you want to (it's about all KeQ is good for) but if you think it's easy to hit evasive ADS' with the AFG then you haven't shot at an evasive ADS. I've been doing this for about a year now so don't talk to me about practice.

Still all of what you said is irrelevant to the point I made. If you're not going to address the point I made then why are you even arguing with me?


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Derrith Erador 2553	Posted - 2014.09.03 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Dust User wrote: Thumb Green wrote: It's fcking ridiculous that a small missile turret can kill a sentinel in the time it takes the regular FG to charge a single shot What suit you running that does this? I can survive several blasts. Also: Ishukone Assault Forge Gun > everything else If you're using the regular forge you're doing it wrong. I use the Amarr, I use mostly reps on it to keep it light so it's easier to avoid direct hits as well as to rep up quickly so I'm not just a sitting duck with low health; AV with extremely poor mobility dies quicker than AV with just poor mobility. I do use the IAFG but that's irrelevant to the point that small missiles can kill a sentinel in the time it takes for the regular FG to charge. Some people don't like the AFG and I don't blame them; getting the timing right on an evasive ADS can be quite hard with the AFG. First off, let's explain everything wrong with using an Amarrican suit as a forge. It is armor based, so it's only natural I'm going to have my way with you as a rocket ADS. Second, I specced at least 15-20 mil SP into this, that includes ROF, which I skilled into wholeheartedly. Third, some pilots miss, you have to put into account some people are just good at what they do. Forth, it takes six to eight shots average to kill a sentinel. I don't see what you're complaining about. Fifth, ADS pilots are supposed to use evasion tactics, most novice pilots sit there and hover when fighting AV and that is the dumbest mistake you could make. If flying about like a drunk hillbilly causes you to miss a few shots yourself, but causes him to miss a few, then so be it. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador 2554	Posted - 2014.09.03 21:33:00 - [2] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Dust User wrote: Thumb Green wrote: Dust User wrote: Thumb Green wrote: It's fcking ridiculous that a small missile turret can kill a sentinel in the time it takes the regular FG to charge a single shot What suit you running that does this? I can survive several blasts. Also: Ishukone Assault Forge Gun > everything else If you're using the regular forge you're doing it wrong. I use the Amarr, I use mostly reps on it to keep it light so it's easier to avoid direct hits as well as to rep up quickly so I'm not just a sitting duck with low health; AV with extremely poor mobility dies quicker than AV with just poor mobility. I do use the IAFG but that's irrelevant to the point that small missiles can kill a sentinel in the time it takes for the regular FG to charge. Some people don't like the AFG and I don't blame them; getting the timing right on an evasive ADS can be quite hard with the AFG. Using Amarr to forge is your first mistake. Caldari is where it's at. If you land the first shot it will knock the ADS around giving you time to land the second shot before he can adjust to hit you again. I rarely lose 1v1 encounters to an ADS unless I miss that first shot. If you're having trouble hitting them with the AFG the only thing I can tell you is practice makes perfect. When I skilled into it Amarr was the half-way between AV and AI. It still works well enough and I've got other SP priorities besides completely skilling into a new dropsuit tree. Talk all the smack you want to (it's about all KeQ is good for) but if you think it's easy to hit evasive ADS' with the AFG then you haven't shot at an evasive ADS. I've been doing this for about a year now so don't talk to me about practice. Still all of what you said is irrelevant to the point I made. If you're not going to address the point I made then why are you even arguing with me? Actually, of all the forgers in dust, Dust User is one of three I'm scared to face solo. Himself, Funkmaster Whale, and Senator Snipe are hands down the most accurate forgers I've seen, and they all use AFG's (along with Cal sentinels), and have rarely missed me, I actually have to use cover and buildings to take them on, they're the forgers I learned the hard way to use buildings as cover. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Derrith Erador 2554	Posted - 2014.09.03 23:04:00 - [3] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you when can't even comprehend what I said. I'm going to assume you're talking to Vulpses on this issue, but I'll respond anyway. 1) I perfectly comprehend what you're saying, you're saying that it's hard for forges to hit an ADS. It's supposed to be that way, we're supposed to make it that way. Do you shoot bullets at random reds and expect them to stand still and NOT try to evade your shots? It's the same principle, you wouldn't want to die from bullets, so you'd strafe, or take cover. Just because you said it's hard doesn't mean I'm obligated to make it easy. 2) On the teamwork issue, as I see it, you run a sentinel suit, more than likely running an HMG on this suit, correct? If so, have you ever seen a medium frame come at you in a CQC engagement, and you completely mowed him down? Most people I know who heavy with HMG would call this medium frame an idiot, and rightly so, TBH. But what if he brought a friend to flank you in another medium suit? You'd have two people to worry about at that stage, thus evening the odds seeing as you're a fat kid. 3) I've fought you in a pub against your forge suit, don't take this the wrong way when I say this. You're not a bad forger, but the above mentioned forgers I've talked about are on a whole other level than you, they're far more accurate than you were. Again, don't take this the wrong way. You've also failed to take personal skill into account on this endeavor, I've killed multiple forges solo because they failed to react properly to my evasions, why should we be more forgiving to them? The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.