DUST Search - To those bads whining about cloaks

Chuckles Brown wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Use your eyes.

I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut.

Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak.

EDIT: Unless that scout is bricked for more HP than most medframes. Then you have an excuse.

There are 2 problems with the cloak, that go around skill set.

1. The lack of decloaking before getting the first shot. The cloak is also an added built in Complex Dampener, so any glimpse on the radar is eliminated. Making flanks work all the way through. If you had that 0.1 second of blip on the radar, you'd have a chance, a slight one, but at least a chance. So, the cloaker gets the first alpha damage, and NKs, SGs, and CRs pack a whole heck of a lot of alpha damage. But this is glitch I assume and hopefully it will be fixed. I know where all 32 people in the battle are at pretty much any given time, but its matter of positioning yourself and timing out everything.
I will say though, a group of blueberries can be dropped by one Scout because they are to slow and dumb to cath on when a SG is dropping them. You'd think you'd notice when the 3 guys standing next to you aren't they're anymore after you hear a kickball go off 3x...

2. HP of said Scouts. Even if you know where they are and shoot them, they can sponge the bullets and get away because they don't have to sacrifice speed along with their HP and stealth. The fact that you can pack 600-850 HP on a LIGHT FRAME makes absolutely zero sense and doesn't fit the rock-paper-scissors balancing model. You can't have speed, HP, and stealth all in one frame on top of inherit racial bonuses and equal CPU/PG to medium frame.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12086	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:19:00 - [1] - Quote Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2229	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:24:00 - [2] - Quote This is what happens when you strip people of their scanner crutch- they have become too blind to use their own eyes. Personally, I enjoy PLCing cloaked people. It brings a tear of joy. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2692	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:24:00 - [3] - Quote Le sigh... The Pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 90.31% Complete
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12086	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:26:00 - [4] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Le sigh... The actual problem is said scout ending up with as much HP as an assault with all its other advantages. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
KGB Sleep 1001	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:28:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Le sigh... The actual problem is said scout ending up with as much HP as an assault with all its other advantages. CCP is taking another look at Assaults according to Saberwing, they just aren't ready to discuss it yet with us. It is entirely possible Assaults will get a HP buff. Because beer, that's why.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER R 0 N 1 N 1104	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:30:00 - [6] - Quote I'm the ultimate cloaker hunter. Basic G-1 scout EX0 MD Bolt [for da LOLs] 1 ADV pre 1 basic shield 1 reactive 1 Ferroscale 1 ADV reg 1 basic cloak fluxes All you cloakers running by my invisible awesome self. But yeah, I think when they took away they're scanner in a rage they also ripped out they're eyes corneas included. And a few of they're cortexes. Amateur Proficiency XCV Autistic Mechanic and Engineer, I build stuff, take apart stuff, modify stuff, destroy stuff
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12090	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:30:00 - [7] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Le sigh... The actual problem is said scout ending up with as much HP as an assault with all its other advantages. CCP is taking another look at Assaults according to Saberwing, they just aren't ready to discuss it yet with us. It is possible Assaults will get a HP buff. I imagine it would be more their style to nerf them. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
ReGnYuM Dirt Nap Squad. 2692	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:38:00 - [8] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Le sigh... The actual problem is said scout ending up with as much HP as an assault with all its other advantages. CCP is taking another look at Assaults according to Saberwing, they just aren't ready to discuss it with us. It is possible Assaults will get a HP buff. 1.) I was more or less sighing about another cloak feedback thread. 2.) Assaults don't need a HP buff. I would go on further, but then realized I would be in Iceland at CCP HQ by this time next month. Why waste time on thread that may or may not get looked over when I can simply just talk to them. The Pathway to Hell is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 90.31% Complete
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1798	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:38:00 - [9] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what happens when you strip people of their scanner crutch- they have become too blind to use their own eyes. Personally, I enjoy PLCing cloaked people. It brings a tear of joy. Since when did the cloak stop being comsidered a crutch and become a paragon of leetness? It's only been a week! Have we lost the vets and replaced the playerbase with new folks already? Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12091	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:39:00 - [10] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Le sigh... The actual problem is said scout ending up with as much HP as an assault with all its other advantages. CCP is taking another look at Assaults according to Saberwing, they just aren't ready to discuss it with us. It is possible Assaults will get a HP buff. 1.) I was more or less sighing about another cloak feedback thread. 2.) Assaults don't need a HP buff. I would go on further, but then realized I would be in Iceland at CCP HQ by this time next month. Why waste time on thread that may or may not get looked over when I can simply just talk to them. Good luck. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro

Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1667	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:40:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. +1 As a test I spent some hours today running my unskilled G-1 BPO, which of course couldn't fit a cloak. Still flanked and got into shotgun range just fine. Many games I did better than usual, because I was reminded to play carefully and use proper approaches instead of just charging with a cloak and relying on everyone being an idiot. The only time cloakies catch me off guard is when I get tunnel vision picking someone off from 60m with my magsec. Nerdier than thou
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1798	Posted - 2014.04.07 06:41:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. EDIT: Unless that scout is bricked for more HP than most medframes. Then you have an excuse. I prefer to use my sense of acceptability for the direction CCP is taking their product and with my 2 cents verbally sh*t on that product along with hopefully the majority of the customer base until CCP acquiesces. They have done it before. Brick tanking a scout suit since April 2013!
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 2230	Posted - 2014.04.07 07:16:00 - [13] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Since when did the cloak stop being considered a crutch and become a paragon of leetness? It's only been a week! Have we lost the vets and replaced the playerbase with new folks already? Eh? There's nothing wrong with cloaking, spare for perhaps the advanced and prototype (which, in my opinion, have too long of a cloaked time, but that's really just personal opinion- it does not affect me personally as to which cloak is being used). Please. Generally speaking, DUST's cloak is more balanced than cloaks I've ran into in other games. The most noticeable strength of the cloak comes from the weakness that people are just not aware enough by themselves to see the (in my opinion, the very obvious) distortion that the cloaks cause. I see them whether they move or stand still. The only way a cloaker has ever been able to kill me was from the back, in which case anyone without a cloak would (and do) be able to do. If I spot a distortion, you can bet your ass I'm going to gun you down. As I've said somewhere else: Cloaking only works on rookies. That **** doesn't fly with people that have experience picking people out. Eyes are OP, as well is common sense. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara, Uprising 1.7 Long live the Commandos!
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC No Safe Haven 81	Posted - 2014.04.07 07:21:00 - [14] - Quote Exactly, I was saying this as well on a number of threads, but the 1% of the community that whines won't stop posting these. Lazy players who doesn't put any energy out there and want to win by doing nothing, thats not how it works. Scouts were killing without the cloaks the same way as they will always be, the cloak only opens a new playstyle. Once you know how to really use cloak you realize you don't even need it. So yea there you have it whiners, you probably don't realize how it was before the cloak. It was pretty much the same. Now you just have an excuse for something that really isn't a problem. Majority of people didn't even try the cloak and talk like they know it to the core... Try it yourselves and see if you feel invincible. Minmatar Logistics since the beginning. Mass Driver my first and the only fully specialized weapon. Explorer.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 100	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:01:00 - [15] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what happens when you strip people of their scanner crutch- they have become too blind to use their own eyes. Personally, I enjoy PLCing cloaked people. It brings a tear of joy. Since when did the cloak stop being considered a crutch and become a paragon of leetness? It's only been a week! Have we lost the vets and replaced the playerbase with new folks already? HP is a crutch! Speed mods are a crutch! Ewar is a crutch! Proto weapons are a crutch! Cloaking is a crutch!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4989	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:11:00 - [16] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: This is what happens when you strip people of their scanner crutch- they have become too blind to use their own eyes. Personally, I enjoy PLCing cloaked people. It brings a tear of joy. Since when did the cloak stop being considered a crutch and become a paragon of leetness? It's only been a week! Have we lost the vets and replaced the playerbase with new folks already? Since when did the cloak start being considered a crutch OR a paragon of leetness by a statistically signifcant portion of the community. The majority of forum regulars fit into one of two categories: 1. The people saying "the cloak is fine as-is" - some of whom are willing to compromise with either the nerf or buff crowd. 2. The people not getting involved with the discussion. The extreme ends of the scale are BOTH vocal minorities.
KGB Sleep 1002	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:17:00 - [17] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: 1.) I was more or less sighing about another cloak feedback thread. 2.) Assaults don't need a HP buff. I would go on further, but then realized I would be in Iceland at CCP HQ by this time next month. Why waste time on thread that may or may not get looked over when I can simply just talk to them. Wow that's pretty cool. Hey I have a favor to ask. Will you make the Dust Monument while you're there? Take a lamb. Tie it to the Eve monument. Shave its ass. Tattoo some Dust names on it. Bury it in beer cans and visine bottles (tears). Put a diaper on it and leave some food. Tell CCP to look after our lamb, k? Because beer, that's why.
The-Beard Dorsai Chaotix 145	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:18:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. EDIT: Unless that scout is bricked for more HP than most medframes. Then you have an excuse. Stop whining... yesh! /quotes all the self proclaimed badas*'s "I'm gonna whine about you whining because I'm so awesome. Now that you know I'm awesome, you should HTFU, STFU, and PTFO cause I said so. "
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 8164	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:42:00 - [19] - Quote A few points: 1. On some REALLY bright maps, it's practically impossible to see cloakers outside of shadows and CQC. 2. Most of my cloak deaths come when I'm engaging enemies, I have to be focused on it, I can't just do 360 spins in the middle of a strafe battle to look around. 3. Cloaking is a crutch, it is my favorite crutch, but it is a crutch. My intentions is to have a fun game for everyone. If I seem to be biased, I have good hard data to back it up.
Commander Tuna KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 101	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:46:00 - [20] - Quote I feel bad for all the people who think cloaks/1.8 is balanced. I guess its OK since this game does try to cater to the cod and Battlefield crowd.

General John Ripper 19415	Posted - 2014.04.07 08:59:00 - [21] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. EDIT: Unless that scout is bricked for more HP than most medframes. Then you have an excuse. lol I was wondering what a person with any actual skill would think about the cloaking issue, I haven't even tried 1.8 yet so I haven't a clue. I kinda thought this might be the case. Too many people play this game like cod to be any good at it. My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
Magnus Amadeuss Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 700	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:03:00 - [22] - Quote Answer this, why is there absolutely no downside to fitting a cloak? Have you seen the downsides to cloaks in eve? -90% speed -50% scanning resolution 30 second reactivation delay 30 second targeting delay (i.e. no attacking for 30 seconds) In dust? Only upsides. Not only do you get to be invisible (esp while still), but you also get a stacking penalty free complex profile dampner. Come on guys, stop defending your crutch and be realistic here. I like cloaking up as much as the next person, but it is WAY too powerful. Fixing swarms
General John Ripper 19416	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:09:00 - [23] - Quote Some people can play games on easy Some people can play games on normal. Some can play games on hard. Some can play games on legendary. with that said. I only care what the top 1% thinks. If their skill can compensate for bad players using overpowered weapons, suits, game mechanics, then thats fine by me. My like count = Nominate Ripper 4 cpm petition Sign it to let CCP know we are serious.
Princess Fluffypuff Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:35:00 - [24] - Quote Maybe a Dust pro player in his protosuit and with proto weapons and cloak is op. But that guy has an advantage on every other new Dust player in any way, regardless of cloaked or not. So i have not the isk nor the Sp for all the shiny proto things but i really like it to be a Scout. I love sneaking behind enemys line and hacking all things that i can find and lay some Drop uplinks down. I only engage an enemy when he's alone and unaware. Thats the only way i have a chance to Gun down another player. Most of them have double the HP and Firepower that i have and with my ****** aim i need all the Help that i can get. Cloaking helps me to live longer and not dying instantly in every single firefight that i have. Trust me, its not funny when you getting Ass kicked in every single round. I really think the cloak helps new players to stay alive a little longer and thats a very goot thing. For a new player like my friends it seems that the Balancing is absolutely Horrible, without cloaking they would surely never play this Game anymore. And Dust needs this new players.
Chuckles Brown 248	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:53:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. EDIT: Unless that scout is bricked for more HP than most medframes. Then you have an excuse. There are 2 problems with the cloak, that go around skill set. 1. The lack of decloaking before getting the first shot. The cloak is also an added built in Complex Dampener, so any glimpse on the radar is eliminated. Making flanks work all the way through. If you had that 0.1 second of blip on the radar, you'd have a chance, a slight one, but at least a chance. So, the cloaker gets the first alpha damage, and NKs, SGs, and CRs pack a whole heck of a lot of alpha damage. But this is glitch I assume and hopefully it will be fixed. I know where all 32 people in the battle are at pretty much any given time, but its matter of positioning yourself and timing out everything. I will say though, a group of blueberries can be dropped by one Scout because they are to slow and dumb to cath on when a SG is dropping them. You'd think you'd notice when the 3 guys standing next to you aren't they're anymore after you hear a kickball go off 3x... 2. HP of said Scouts. Even if you know where they are and shoot them, they can sponge the bullets and get away because they don't have to sacrifice speed along with their HP and stealth. The fact that you can pack 600-850 HP on a LIGHT FRAME makes absolutely zero sense and doesn't fit the rock-paper-scissors balancing model. You can't have speed, HP, and stealth all in one frame on top of inherit racial bonuses and equal CPU/PG to medium frame. The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah? Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 572	Posted - 2014.04.07 09:55:00 - [26] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. EDIT: Unless that scout is bricked for more HP than most medframes. Then you have an excuse. That would be fine if my framerate wasn't god awful. I have to look straight ahead otherwise I can't see what the hell I'm doing, and left to right movement is just confusing.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 572	Posted - 2014.04.07 10:09:00 - [27] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Use your eyes. I have been killing cloaked players by the score because I'm actually looking for them rather than pointing my face in one direction all the time with my eyes shut. Of course you're getting flanked if you're not paying attention. I'm quite confident in saying that half of you morons would get flanked with or without a cloak. EDIT: Unless that scout is bricked for more HP than most medframes. Then you have an excuse. There are 2 problems with the cloak, that go around skill set. 1. The lack of decloaking before getting the first shot. The cloak is also an added built in Complex Dampener, so any glimpse on the radar is eliminated. Making flanks work all the way through. If you had that 0.1 second of blip on the radar, you'd have a chance, a slight one, but at least a chance. So, the cloaker gets the first alpha damage, and NKs, SGs, and CRs pack a whole heck of a lot of alpha damage. But this is glitch I assume and hopefully it will be fixed. I know where all 32 people in the battle are at pretty much any given time, but its matter of positioning yourself and timing out everything. I will say though, a group of blueberries can be dropped by one Scout because they are to slow and dumb to cath on when a SG is dropping them. You'd think you'd notice when the 3 guys standing next to you aren't they're anymore after you hear a kickball go off 3x... 2. HP of said Scouts. Even if you know where they are and shoot them, they can sponge the bullets and get away because they don't have to sacrifice speed along with their HP and stealth. The fact that you can pack 600-850 HP on a LIGHT FRAME makes absolutely zero sense and doesn't fit the rock-paper-scissors balancing model. You can't have speed, HP, and stealth all in one frame on top of inherit racial bonuses and equal CPU/PG to medium frame. Funny story: I was going to call you out and say that there was no way a scout can get up to 850 hp. I was wrong. I went on protofits and made a gal scout with 4 complex plates, 2 complex shield extenders, basic RR/SMG/Locus nade as well as a cloak and remote explosives. 989 eHP total. I am sure I could make the fit better too but I'm on my phone and it's hard to use on that.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 12159	Posted - 2014.04.09 06:26:00 - [28] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Answer this, why is there absolutely no downside to fitting a cloak? Have you seen the downsides to cloaks in eve? -90% speed -50% scanning resolution 30 second reactivation delay 30 second targeting delay (i.e. no attacking for 30 seconds) In dust? Only upsides. Not only do you get to be invisible (esp while still), but you also get a stacking penalty free complex profile dampner. Come on guys, stop defending your crutch and be realistic here. I like cloaking up as much as the next person, but it is WAY too powerful. There is a downside to fitting a cloak. The fitting requirements are colossal. That's a huge downside. I suppose you'd next argue that there are no downsides to a scout fitting it, to which I would point out that cloaking specialists in both games practically negate the downsides. How many of those downsides are apparent in EVE when you fit a cloak on a stealth bomber? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. EUrobro
al nize mk2 DUST University Ivy League 64	Posted - 2014.04.09 07:36:00 - [29] - Quote Despite myself I agree with the OP and since the early days of 1.8 I now pay special attention to cloaks and make a real effort to go after them when they crop up. I still think Scouts have a bit too much of an advantage in other areas but the cloak is a perfectly decent addition to the equipment roster. As a UP Assault cannon fodder joker I'm having to use my brain a bit more these days and although it can be painful to do so (nobody likes effort now do they) I admit that it's ultimately a good thing for the game. I would like some sort of buff to my class however - it does feel like I'm lagging behind at the moment. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥


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