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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:06:00 -
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First off sorry for all these posts but I'm home today with no plans and no kids around...
The amount of energy in those weapons even if it goes off next you has enough energy to completely vaporize your body several times over. With muzzle velocities well over 2,500 m/s at such speeds and the amount of energy going into them how does one survive even a glancing hit from these weapon systems? It takes 3 gigajoules to vaporize a human body by separating all of its component atoms. These weapons when they fire should be drastically changing the battlefield around them at those energies and speeds.
The map with the table in the center? How does it survive repeated impacts from a metallic slug travelling at 2,500 m/s at 80Gjs of energy behind it? Why are these maps not twisted landscapes at the end of a battle? To keep science from crying to much they change their fluff around in ways that doesn't really effect game play. Hell that "small" turret at 20 GJs is packing enough energy to completely melt most of what it hits.
I propose the 20 GJ turret become a 3 GJ turret. The 80 GJ turret becomes 10 or even 15. The named ones like "Plasma 80 GJ turret" your firing a magnetically contained ball of superheated hydrogen that has the same temperature as the photosphere of our sun. Whatever it touches is going to be gone. Now I understand this is suppose to be the hyper-future but technology should still at least make sense. |
Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
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Posted - 2014.02.28 18:58:00 -
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Fraceska wrote: The map with the table in the center? How does it survive repeated impacts from a metallic slug travelling at 2,500 m/s at 80Gjs of energy behind it? Why are these maps not twisted landscapes at the end of a battle?
Yeah I keep trying to get me some of that material for my armor. It's laying around everywhere, but nothing we have can scratch it. |
Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:08:00 -
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Because shields
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA
Bezimienni...
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:14:00 -
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AK-47 range is more than 1000m (theoretical) Future uber Duvolle AR like 70m?
So what happens when Your tank got hit by forge gun? Shoud have big hole on both sides. |
Chibi Andy
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:20:00 -
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so you want everything on the map to be destructible like in BF4 for dust?
dat frame rate
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:22:00 -
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Maybe they're just really inefficient weapon systems (but still better than alternatives, hence why they're used). 80GJ to operate the weapon (magnetizing, ionizing, and firing), but the actual output is far lower.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3658
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:23:00 -
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:AK-47 range is more than 1000m (theoretical) Future uber Duvolle AR like 70m?
So what happens when Your tank got hit by forge gun? Shoud have big hole on both sides.
An AK-47 is also firing a metal round - 7.62 IIRC. Plasma needs to be contained, you just can't "lob" it at something/someone. Tokamacs (spelling?) are fusion reactors that are HUGE containing magnets that try and contain the plasma the reactor it produces - it can only contain that plasma for fractions of a second before it all destabilizes.
Yes, it is in the future, but I'm sure it is still a challenge to contain plasma in magnetic bottles and magnetic bottles small enough to be fired from a rifle at that - I'm not surprised that the Duvolle Plasma Rifle has less range than the AK-47 of today.
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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Hecarim Van Hohen
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:27:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:First off sorry for all these posts but I'm home today with no plans and no kids around...
The amount of energy in those weapons even if it goes off next you has enough energy to completely vaporize your body several times over. With muzzle velocities well over 2,500 m/s at such speeds and the amount of energy going into them how does one survive even a glancing hit from these weapon systems? It takes 3 gigajoules to vaporize a human body by separating all of its component atoms. These weapons when they fire should be drastically changing the battlefield around them at those energies and speeds.
The map with the table in the center? How does it survive repeated impacts from a metallic slug travelling at 2,500 m/s at 80Gjs of energy behind it? Why are these maps not twisted landscapes at the end of a battle? To keep science from crying to much they change their fluff around in ways that doesn't really effect game play. Hell that "small" turret at 20 GJs is packing enough energy to completely melt most of what it hits.
I propose the 20 GJ turret become a 3 GJ turret. The 80 GJ turret becomes 10 or even 15. The named ones like "Plasma 80 GJ turret" your firing a magnetically contained ball of superheated hydrogen that has the same temperature as the photosphere of our sun. Whatever it touches is going to be gone. Now I understand this is suppose to be the hyper-future but technology should still at least make sense.
Forge Gun slugs travel in excess of 7000m/s so I'd assume the 80GJ Railgun slug would exceed that
80GJ Cannons (rail and blaster alike) are quite silly as a (Large, 14m long axis and volume of mere 50m-¦) 425mm Railgun I requires 21GJ to activate and these things are mounted on battleships such as the Rokh
As for the plasma, there are a variety of plasma rounds in EVE universe
The Eve universe is not known to be scientifically accurate and I'm going to assume that it'll stay that way because (sadly) science Gëá fun
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1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
503
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:48:00 -
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7 kilometers per second, damn that's fast. Whatever it hits is done for. There should be no survival from these weapons. Even a glancing it is going to create a pressure wave that is going to tear you apart. "Shields" is only going to take you so far in trying to explain the often wonky physics of New Eden.
And yes Hecarim I was looking at my Eve ship and its power with weapons and it just seems even more out of whack when those land based weapons have more power and smaller than what I'm putting on a massive ship. The OBs that come down since they are most often laser based what amount of energy are they putting out that is instant kill? I think an OB should be a field changer like your whole screen goes white and you are in a blasted wasteland. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3645
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:49:00 -
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Hecarim Van Hohen wrote:Fraceska wrote:First off sorry for all these posts but I'm home today with no plans and no kids around...
The amount of energy in those weapons even if it goes off next you has enough energy to completely vaporize your body several times over. With muzzle velocities well over 2,500 m/s at such speeds and the amount of energy going into them how does one survive even a glancing hit from these weapon systems? It takes 3 gigajoules to vaporize a human body by separating all of its component atoms. These weapons when they fire should be drastically changing the battlefield around them at those energies and speeds.
The map with the table in the center? How does it survive repeated impacts from a metallic slug travelling at 2,500 m/s at 80Gjs of energy behind it? Why are these maps not twisted landscapes at the end of a battle? To keep science from crying to much they change their fluff around in ways that doesn't really effect game play. Hell that "small" turret at 20 GJs is packing enough energy to completely melt most of what it hits.
I propose the 20 GJ turret become a 3 GJ turret. The 80 GJ turret becomes 10 or even 15. The named ones like "Plasma 80 GJ turret" your firing a magnetically contained ball of superheated hydrogen that has the same temperature as the photosphere of our sun. Whatever it touches is going to be gone. Now I understand this is suppose to be the hyper-future but technology should still at least make sense. Forge Gun slugs travel in excess of 7000m/s so I'd assume the 80GJ Railgun slug would exceed that 80GJ Cannons (rail and blaster alike) are quite silly as a (Large, 14m long axis and volume of mere 50m-¦) 425mm Railgun I requires 21GJ to activate and these things are mounted on battleships such as the RokhAs for the plasma, there are a variety of plasma rounds in EVE universe The Eve universe is not known to be scientifically accurate and I'm going to assume that it'll stay that way because (sadly) science Gëá fun EDIT as for the AK-47 being able to fire 1000m (approx though good luck hitting anything) "The AK-47's accuracy has always been considered to be "good enough".
There's a variety laser crystals as well. It's part of the reason that when they talked about not wanting to get too crazy with the "colors" I was a little miffed, since the color-range of lasers, etc. in EVE is so broad and awesome. I'd like to see more than the orange-white color scheme for most guns we have now that would fit in in a game like BF, etc.
Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
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Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:52:00 -
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:AK-47 range is more than 1000m (theoretical) Future uber Duvolle AR like 70m?
So what happens when Your tank got hit by forge gun? Shoud have big hole on both sides. Yeah, but at 300m you're lucky if you can hit a man-size target with it.
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Hecarim Van Hohen
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
483
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Posted - 2014.02.28 19:59:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote: There's a variety laser crystals as well. It's part of the reason that when they talked about not wanting to get too crazy with the "colors" I was a little miffed, since the color-range of lasers, etc. in EVE is so broad and awesome. I'd like to see more than the orange-white color scheme for most guns we have now that would fit in in a game like BF, etc.
Lasers lasers are pretty awesome in EVE, sadly in Dust they are mostly bleh
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1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1987
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:17:00 -
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Did you know that you can dig a small trench under the barrel of an m2.50 just by firing it because the shockwave is just that crazy? And that's in hard packed dirt.
My railgun should kill the whole map.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2944
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:23:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:7 kilometers per second, damn that's fast. Whatever it hits is done for. There should be no survival from these weapons. Even a glancing it is going to create a pressure wave that is going to tear you apart. "Shields" is only going to take you so far in trying to explain the often wonky physics of New Eden.
And yes Hecarim I was looking at my Eve ship and its power with weapons and it just seems even more out of whack when those land based weapons have more power and smaller than what I'm putting on a massive ship. The OBs that come down since they are most often laser based what amount of energy are they putting out that is instant kill? I think an OB should be a field changer like your whole screen goes white and you are in a blasted wasteland.
Every EVE to DUST interaction is scaled way down, from ship damage to ISK values. You can purchase star ships and vaporize them. We are puny in comparison. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
506
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:26:00 -
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The US navy is attempting to weaponize velocity with their current railgun that fires a slug at 2.5 kilometers a second (Mach 7). These speeds and energies would reduce battlefields to little more than holes in the ground, and bigger holes were the smaller ones met. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
2944
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:30:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Did you know that you can dig a small trench under the barrel of an m2.50 just by firing it because the shockwave is just that crazy? And that's in hard packed dirt.
My railgun should kill the whole map.
It's kind of funny when you think about it. I can't survive a large rail round in a dropship even with all my shields and armor, yet that damned container will block the shots all day. The ladders on the towers don't even get their paint scratched. An orbital bombardment doesn't even leave any dust in the air when the entire area should be a huge cloud of dirt and vaporized men, equipment, buildings and incidentals for several minutes. |
Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
506
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:30:00 -
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Skihids wrote:Every EVE to DUST interaction is scaled way down, from ship damage to ISK values. You can purchase star ships and vaporize them. We are puny in comparison.
But energy is energy. 80GJ in Dust is still 80GJ in Eve. Those values remain constant. So when a land based cannon is firing a round at over 7 km/s with energy to vaporize buildings it is going to change the nature of warfare. The OBs should be upwards of 80GJ because their power cores are massive enough to generate the energy required and it should change the battlefield just not kill people but level buildings and melt the ground.
All I suggest is dialing back the "fluff numbers" the 80 GJ cannon is now 10, the 20 GJ blaster is now 3 or even 1. Still way more energy than is required to kill someone. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:32:00 -
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Fraceska wrote:7 kilometers per second, damn that's fast. Whatever it hits is done for. There should be no survival from these weapons. Even a glancing it is going to create a pressure wave that is going to tear you apart. "Shields" is only going to take you so far in trying to explain the often wonky physics of New Eden.
And yes Hecarim I was looking at my Eve ship and its power with weapons and it just seems even more out of whack when those land based weapons have more power and smaller than what I'm putting on a massive ship. The OBs that come down since they are most often laser based what amount of energy are they putting out that is instant kill? I think an OB should be a field changer like your whole screen goes white and you are in a blasted wasteland.
There would be little bits and chunks to bury of the guy who fired it
While the space lasers we now have are small (turrets with a 3m long axis or so) in Templar One a Revelation class Dreadnought created a 50meter wide and 900meter long scar ("1second tight beam exposure") with extreme heat (searing) felt over 2 kilometers away from the spot followed by a shock wave
So yes, a destroyer firing 8 small guns into a complex should change the landscape quite a bit
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1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
506
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:40:00 -
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Or is their choice ego driven? "I'm a f-in boss! My 80GJ plasma cannon just killed you!" most probably don't know what a gigajoule or plasma really is. So they get all macho about having the big guns. Yet it makes no sense. How is that tank strong enough to survive the recoil of so much pent up energy released at once? What about arcing between rails? Or the rails themselves warping at that much energy?
We can't even harness a 2.5 km/s weapon without putting it on a massive ship with a dedicated nuclear core to power the thing and here they are in Eve with mounted 80 GJ weapons and those containers that are made out of super dense metals. Yet Dropships, Tanks and LAVs go bye bye in 1 or 2 hits. Silly physics you don't belong here. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION
485
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:49:00 -
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science Gëá fun
Though CCP should just rename the guns to something that actually makes sense, battleship grade weapons on a tank are just stupid :|
BANGO SKANK WAS HERE
1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)
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