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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:08:00 -
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PFC was originally established as a replacement for Corp Battles - maybe we should go back to that. Obviously these little guys don't want any sort of help - many saying they can win there own battles.
Awesome! Go a head! WHY ARE YOU ON PFC IF YOU CAN WIN YOUR OWN BATTLES?! Do you realize how much you're screaming, "Hey, I'm a ******, I can fight back against top tier corps, but I want to fight on PFC still without any consequences!!!!!!!"
And then there's corp like Hellstorm who abuse PFC in there own special way, by being there when they aren't suppose to be and farming it for ISK Can anyone suggest HS - a once top 3 corp - belongs on PFC? If so, get your brain examined. They can enter PC if they wanted - but they turned casual. Which, again, means they have no place on PFC. And there are other corps just like this one - Crying about a rental fee they could pay 100 times over - while corps who struggle to pay are working with the Council and NF to see what can be done. Don't be like Hellstorm and Subscrubs and just cry - work with NF. They're not trying to bully you, if they were it wouldn't of happened this way.
Do you really think NF has to play nice about PFC? We could just walk in and take over, no words needed. Got a problem? Hire AE and FA to take care of us. Which will cost you many times more then just working with us. But, hey, at least you fought back against 'extortion' that finally set up PFC to be a self-maintained and run system. Good job! That'll show the community that PFC should be paid for by everyone but the people in it. lol? 8 million a week takes how many weeks to reach 200mil? Because that'll be the price you'll be paying just a SINGLE BATTLE without this deal.
And this leads to the break down of PFC: No one cares outside to those who effects. If they did care - it wouldn't of had to be NF to step up and do something about the rampant abuse and neglect. DDB could of done this just as easily - or AE. Both of which are rich enough to make this a true charity drive - NF does not have the funds to do so. But we do have the heart to reach out - so we did. And we thought we had support on this issue - but people don't know where they leave there brains. Maybe you enjoyed PFC being ISK farmed, so long as YOUR corp uses it correctly? - WRONG IF ONE CORP ABUSES THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS AT JEOPARDY. This was understood even when PFC was meant for Top Corps only. If one corp can do as it pleases, nothing stops anyone else from doing it.
After spelling it out clearly for a week - people still missed the memo of, "It's too cost effective to police PFC and keep tabs for nothing," 9mil a week is nothing, but times it by 23 it becomes something. So let's add your pennies and make something that anyone would want to make sure is runned successfully, that can survive even if NF breaks a part, and is watched by a community driven council who can step in and tell NF "NO" or any other corp "NO" when they do wrong or not abide by PFC and Council.
NF is willing to let other corps police and take the ISK for doing so - we're not saying we monopolize this business. The business is created so the community has an entity to work with regarding PFC, so PFC itself can choose who polices it.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
906
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:32:00 -
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See what I mean about being the cop here sucks?
beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2502
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:34:00 -
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I laughed pretty hard.
+1
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2436
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:37:00 -
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wait...so is Subsonic Synthesis slated for deletion??
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:37:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I laughed pretty hard.
+1 You're welcome.
Remember forum warrior wanna-be's who use likes to show your pride: You suck. Be more entertaining while sucking at least.
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:43:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:wait...so is Subsonic Synthesis slated for deletion?? No, unlike other corps who voice up Subsonic actually belongs on PFC. But how long they stay is still completely up to chance, who hates them, and how well they play. |
Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
1632
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:44:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
4820
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:47:00 -
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Why do you have so many ******* alts?
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2267
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:47:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. yes and winning fights nets even more ISK. tbqh 9 mill is chump change to be able to keep your district.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2437
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:49:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation.
The only thing is that they aren't supposed to farm ISK.....once their districts are full, they should be attacked or launching attacks.
However, if $8M per week is all inclusive...which means that they don't have to pay the ringers per match then it's a good deal. I thought they had to pay the weekly stipend plus the ringer fee per battle. But since it's all inclusive...it really is a good deal.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:51:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. yes and winning fights nets even more ISK. tbqh 9 mill is chump change to be able to keep your district. No one seems to understand this.
A lot of us have come to realize how poorly people understand PC mechanics. And we're beginning to think corps are extorting there members, lying about how much ISK they have to store it for themselves. Otherwise we can't believe people are really this stupid. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
4820
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:53:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:A lot of us have come to realize how poorly people understand PC mechanics. It's not like the game gives a good description to anyone that isn't a director or CEO.
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2504
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:53:00 -
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No one should really be complaining about the price tag 9Mil is a ridiculously low price to pay to insure a district let me lay down the math not evening mentioning the PC generation.
Lets say your corp has 25 Members that cap every week. Earning 7k SP per match would cap them after 28 or so matches. let say you make 250k per match
So 25(people) play 28(matches) a day earning 250,000(ISK) per match getting taxed at 10%(Average) you would make 17.5 Mil alone just off of tax.
25 Members is not a lot, and there are people who play way more then 28 matches and 250k is pretty low ball payout for most. So in a week getting that ISK should not be a problem for most, if it is raising the tax 1-3% would fix it.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2268
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:55:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. yes and winning fights nets even more ISK. tbqh 9 mill is chump change to be able to keep your district. No one seems to understand this. A lot of us have come to realize how poorly people understand PC mechanics. And we're beginning to think corps are extorting there members, lying about how much ISK they have to store it for themselves. Otherwise we can't believe people are really this stupid. CEOs and Directors have experience with PC (for the most part) the rest of the community as patrick stated has little understanding of PC mechanics
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:58:00 -
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All the info CEO and directors use... are found in Dev Blogs. Google it. It's all there. There's no secret info for secret people. lol
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
1633
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:59:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. The only thing is that they aren't supposed to farm ISK.....once their districts are full, they should be attacked or launching attacks. However, if $8M per week is all inclusive...which means that they don't have to pay the ringers per match then it's a good deal. I thought they had to pay the weekly stipend plus the ringer fee per battle. But since it's all inclusive...it really is a good deal. I used Clone Generation instead of ISK generation because you would still have 6 days to generate clones to attack districts with. I don't think it's all inclusive so once I know the prices of defending/flipping a district back I will judge if it's too much.
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
4822
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:00:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:All the info CEO and directors use... are found in Dev Blogs. Google it. It's all there. There's no secret info for secret people. lol
Really? I feel stupid
> GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥
-Oscar Wilde
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:04:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. The only thing is that they aren't supposed to farm ISK.....once their districts are full, they should be attacked or launching attacks. However, if $8M per week is all inclusive...which means that they don't have to pay the ringers per match then it's a good deal. I thought they had to pay the weekly stipend plus the ringer fee per battle. But since it's all inclusive...it really is a good deal. I used Clone Generation instead of ISK generation because you would still have 6 days to generate clones to attack districts with not to farm ISK. I don't think it's all inclusive so once I know the prices of defending/flipping a district back I will judge if it's too much. The rental covers all fees. No paying for ringers or clones. Idealy we'd just use your PFC clones before the last battle and just prevent flip - but there's an ERA district on PFC in case of emergencies. No payment from corp required. Rent covers everything. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
2570
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:08:00 -
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Kain personally approached me to speak on the council citing my involvement and promotion on PFC since it's inception. He was clear about both my and Hellstorms continued commitment to PFC and encouraging new players to get involved in meta gaming.
He conveniently left out the part about having to pay to remain on PFC.
This is was a simple bait and switch to extort a massive amount of ISK for a service that will rarely, if ever, be needed. Explain why we need a military on retainer if most districts will be locked by mutual fighting. It's inconceivable that NF could actually spend 200 m ISK a week occasionally removing one or two corps who burn a few districts for the luls.
This is nothing more than than NF turning PFC into a safe and easy source of revenue.
The final outcome will result in the stagnation and death of PFC as a training ground and usher in new era of CPM-approved extortion of new players.
Say what you want about Hellstorm but I'd like to see you try and rent some districts to corporations in your weight class.
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
202
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:17:00 -
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Two things
1. It is not very smart for those people on PFC to bash everyone outside of PFC who says something or gives input. PFC should start teaching those corps the value of not **** talking every corp outside of PFC. If they honestly expect to get a district outside of PFC and no one will attack them for constantly talking crap, they are very dumb. It would be funny though lol, AE, FA, NS, DDB, WTF, etc. all argue on who gets to attack them, or they all just form a 16 merc team of all of their corps to attack so everyone gets in on it lol.
Public relations are important though and rolling down the window and urinating on everyone the car drives by along the sidewalk isn't really smart... Unless you are like me and know that if I urinate on you, you should say "thank you sir, may I have another?!"
2. Sota! Sign this!
02/05/whatever Peace made between psychopath Yoshi and CCP. You all get to live... for now... :P
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:18:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Kain personally approached me to speak on the council citing my involvement and promotion on PFC since it's inception. He was clear about both my and Hellstorms continued commitment to PFC and encouraging new players to get involved in meta gaming.
He conveniently left out the part about having to pay to remain on PFC.
This is was a simple bait and switch to extort a massive amount of ISK for a service that will rarely, if ever, be needed. Explain why we need a military on retainer if most districts will be locked by mutual fighting. It's inconceivable that NF could actually spend 200 m ISK a week occasionally removing one or two corps who burn a few districts for the luls.
This is nothing more than than NF turning PFC into a safe and easy source of revenue.
The final outcome will result in the stagnation and death of PFC as a training ground and usher in new era of CPM-approved extortion of new players.
Say what you want about Hellstorm but I'd like to see you try and rent some districts to corporations in your weight class.
Let's address the concerns here:
You feel baited. This is a real concern for me. NF would like to apologize to you for the misunderstanding. We understand your anger, and respect your decision to leave PFCC in anger. We would of likely done the same in your boat. I would apologize to you more, but I hate wasted words that mean nothing to the person listening. Just know - if there was a way I could reconcile with HS we would. I call you guys out - but out of all the corps HS has been one of it's strongest supporters.
And yes, it is NF turning PFC into a source of revenue. What's wrong with that if it's just asking a low low fee from many many different corps? It's unfair to begin with to ask AE, DDB, FA, or NF to take care of PFC for you guys - and you surely don't yourselves. There is no back plan where PFC comes together to fight invader - you need to WIN THE FIGHT TO FIGHT BACK THE INVADER. And if you're on PFC you should hardly be capable of fighting back and winning if a PC corp comes knocking. So we thought for a long time how to make a system that would pay police, give PFC support both army and meta, and not turn it into a power play.
The solution was simple; Create a council to regulate PFC, let it handle choosing rules and who polices, and charge rent - who goes to council first - then ends up in whoever council chooses to police. Those funds will add up with that corp into a stock pile and be used SOLEY for PFC until another corp replaces them - where they keep all funds earned thus far, and a new corp takes up the 200mil a week plate.
Is this a full proof plan? **** NO. That's why the council exists - to adapt to the communities needs. |
Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
2571
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:49:00 -
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You get a -1 on your meta Sota. How much are you being paid to soldier this forum war?
NF has used deceitful tactics to engineer this scenario acting as Taste said more like the Sheriff of Knottingham than the Robin Hoods you thinly portray yourselves to be.
Who has reason to trust Spero or NF after a move like this?
I'll make you a deal though, cut your rent in half and Chribba holds the wallet. Funds are paid to the contracted corp after winning back a district. If your intentions are good you have no reason not to comply.
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Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:53:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:You get a -1 on your meta Sota. How much are you being paid to soldier this forum war?
NF has used deceitful tactics to engineer this scenario acting as Taste said more like the Sheriff of Knottingham than the Robin Hoods you thinly portray yourselves to be.
Who has reason to trust Spero or NF after a move like this?
I'll make you a deal though, cut your rent in half and Chribba holds the wallet. Funds are paid to the contracted corp after winning back a district. If your intentions are good you have no reason not to comply. Honestly, I just wanted Hellstorms good will, you guys are leaving PFC regardless. Be men and realize you don't belong and leave yourself and prove to the community you aren't just protesting to just protest. Then maybe your words to me will echo a bit louder. |
Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
1633
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:01:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. The only thing is that they aren't supposed to farm ISK.....once their districts are full, they should be attacked or launching attacks. However, if $8M per week is all inclusive...which means that they don't have to pay the ringers per match then it's a good deal. I thought they had to pay the weekly stipend plus the ringer fee per battle. But since it's all inclusive...it really is a good deal. I used Clone Generation instead of ISK generation because you would still have 6 days to generate clones to attack districts with not to farm ISK. I don't think it's all inclusive so once I know the prices of defending/flipping a district back I will judge if it's too much. The rental covers all fees. No paying for ringers or clones. Idealy we'd just use your PFC clones before the last battle and just prevent flip - but there's an ERA district on PFC in case of emergencies. No payment from corp required. Rent covers everything. If it's all inclusive then people have to think before they B!tch.
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:15:00 -
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To be honest you guys don't have to pay **** but for the corps who have been on pfc for more 3 months need to gtfo and attack some other districts. You're never going to get the experience to compete with the big corps if you consistently go against corps on ypur same level. Let the smaller corps who have no pc experience at all get into pfc. Time for you guys to go or pay the **** up. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2107
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Posted - 2014.02.09 01:25:00 -
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Honestly 8 mill from a bunch of districts is cheap stuff for NF's services.
I didn't know they were choosing not to charge ringer fee's in addition. O.o
They are making a profit...but it could become unprofitable in a hurry if people on PFC lost their **** or needed them often to protect it.
200 mill for protecting PFC, or 200 mill for owning a few districts and letting them sit.
That's like 4 districts online each week.
That's cheap as ****.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United The CORVOS
58
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:31:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:No one should really be complaining about the price tag 9Mil is a ridiculously low price to pay to insure a district let me lay down the math not evening mentioning the PC generation.
Lets say your corp has 25 Members that cap every week. Earning 7k SP per match would cap them after 28 or so matches. let say you make 250k per match
So 25(people) play 28(matches) a day earning 250,000(ISK) per match getting taxed at 10%(Average) you would make 17.5 Mil alone just off of tax.
25 Members is not a lot, and there are people who play way more then 28 matches and 250k is pretty low ball payout for most. So in a week getting that ISK should not be a problem for most, if it is raising the tax 1-3% would fix it.
Something worth mentionning, lots of dust mercs do not understand the mecanics of running public matches ISK positive. So mostly people complaining on the forum this is big money must surely always run negative money side and take back money from the corp or have no tax at all. You are right on the maths, these folks need to learn to do them properly before passing an educated judgement.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United The CORVOS
58
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:47:00 -
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Two things 1. It is not very smart for those people on PFC to bash everyone outside of PFC who says something or gives input. PFC should start teaching those corps the value of not **** talking every corp outside of PFC. If they honestly expect to get a district outside of PFC and no one will attack them for constantly talking crap, they are very dumb. It would be funny though lol, AE, FA, NS, DDB, WTF, etc. all argue on who gets to attack them, or they all just form a 16 merc team of all of their corps to attack so everyone gets in on it lol. Public relations are important though and rolling down the window and urinating on everyone the car drives by along the sidewalk isn't really smart... Unless you are like me and know that if I urinate on you, you should say "thank you sir, may I have another?!" 2. Sota! Sign this!
When a kid picks up a bad habit its because they have seen another person do it before them. That being said, you should go read your own corp member statements before coming down on us with veiled threats yet again and trying to push any sort of wise statement that we should follow. Put your own house in order before judging us for our efforts at trying to put logic in peoples mind.
In all conversations you are mentioned because your alliance owns 40% of all districts, don't take it personally. If you do then I am impressed we are regarded with such attention and we are honoured by it ! |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1407
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:52:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Who has reason to trust Spero or NF after a move like this?
Who has a reason not to? When you pay for a contract with Spero, you get results. He has a near-impeccable track record. And given that most of his business (escrow, currency conversion, etc.), he has an incredibly large motivation not to screw people.
For our corps, the requested maintenance fee is chump change for the services provided. Not just as insurance and protection for our own district, but for the enforcement done on other districts: We're confident an active and motivated police force will ensure there are good opponents to face, meaning our district provides us a better play experience.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4507
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Posted - 2014.02.09 08:35:00 -
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A low low fee.
Please pay up front, we will gladly take your money this month as we feel we are the strongest corp.
However we give no refunds if next month we were unable to hold your districts, but if you give us more money we will gladly get you a district back sometime in the future.
We are here for you younger corps "insert pretty fluffy wording with the desire to win your hearts and minds" but please send your corps hard earned isk! Its really not that much |
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4507
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Posted - 2014.02.09 08:46:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Two things 1. It is not very smart for those people on PFC to bash everyone outside of PFC who says something or gives input. PFC should start teaching those corps the value of not **** talking every corp outside of PFC. If they honestly expect to get a district outside of PFC and no one will attack them for constantly talking crap, they are very dumb. It would be funny though lol, AE, FA, NS, DDB, WTF, etc. all argue on who gets to attack them, or they all just form a 16 merc team of all of their corps to attack so everyone gets in on it lol. Public relations are important though and rolling down the window and urinating on everyone the car drives by along the sidewalk isn't really smart... Unless you are like me and know that if I urinate on you, you should say "thank you sir, may I have another?!" 2. Sota! Sign this! When a kid picks up a bad habit its because they have seen another person do it before them. That being said, you should go read your own corp member statements before coming down on us with veiled threats yet again and trying to push any sort of wise statement that we should follow. Put your own house in order before judging us for our efforts at trying to put logic in peoples mind. In all conversations you are mentioned because your alliance owns 40% of all districts, don't take it personally. If you do then I am impressed we are regarded with such attention and we are honoured by it !
I know you mean well. Your corp is the type of corp that would actually gain from PFC, and I know you guys will eventually make a big splash on Molden Heath. I just suggest with all this magnifying glass on PFC it might make more sense for these new corps to align with an established alliance, to get free protection and assitence, diplomacy?
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2014.02.09 09:16:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote: A low low fee. Please pay up front, we will gladly take your money this month as we feel we are the strongest corp. However we give no refunds if next month we were unable to hold your districts, but if you give us more money we will gladly get you a district back sometime in the future. We are here for you younger corps "insert pretty fluffy wording with the desire to win your hearts and minds" but please send your corps hard earned isk! Its really not that much Taste, If there district is flipped we flip it back at no cost to them. Renter fee covers all.
and if you feel like you can put together a team to beat your old alliance, by all means FINALLY DO. WE'VE BEEN WAITING. Until then we'll continue to enjoy flipping your districts. |
Free Beers
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1852
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Posted - 2014.02.09 15:55:00 -
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WTF is Hellstorm doing with with a PFC district in the first place. What type of closed beta ****** corp are they? Jesus just clear them out and end their embarrassment.
Taste my man I find it hard to take you seriously when you earn a paycheck for doing nothing in PC land. While I think PFC should just be removed I do laugh at people who call it extortion. Damn right it is and its been a part of New Eden as long as I can remember. They are called renter alliances in nullsec.
I still can't passed how many scrubs play in PC and want the passive isk but God forbid people find a way to earn it. I still think PC should be shut off and put the isk into FW. Passive isk has made the vet community just a bunch of *****s and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Your closed beta self would have kicked your PC isk farming asses.
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[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit
[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2615
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:44:00 -
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Who is sht talking corps outside of pfc or saying that they can take corps outside of it?
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
818
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Posted - 2014.02.09 23:36:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Who is sht talking corps outside of pfc or saying that they can take corps outside of it? First page I believe.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
2620
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Posted - 2014.02.09 23:54:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Who is sht talking corps outside of pfc or saying that they can take corps outside of it? First page I believe.
I mean the others hidden within the hype lol.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam
I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
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Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
211
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:17:00 -
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Gelhad Thremyr wrote:Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote:Two things 1. It is not very smart for those people on PFC to bash everyone outside of PFC who says something or gives input. PFC should start teaching those corps the value of not **** talking every corp outside of PFC. If they honestly expect to get a district outside of PFC and no one will attack them for constantly talking crap, they are very dumb. It would be funny though lol, AE, FA, NS, DDB, WTF, etc. all argue on who gets to attack them, or they all just form a 16 merc team of all of their corps to attack so everyone gets in on it lol. Public relations are important though and rolling down the window and urinating on everyone the car drives by along the sidewalk isn't really smart... Unless you are like me and know that if I urinate on you, you should say "thank you sir, may I have another?!" 2. Sota! Sign this! When a kid picks up a bad habit its because they have seen another person do it before them. That being said, you should go read your own corp member statements before coming down on us with veiled threats yet again and trying to push any sort of wise statement that we should follow. Put your own house in order before judging us for our efforts at trying to put logic in peoples mind. In all conversations you are mentioned because your alliance owns 40% of all districts, don't take it personally. If you do then I am impressed we are regarded with such attention and we are honoured by it ! 1. My corp and FA do a lot of smack talking... to themselves and each other. We know each other pretty well. You don't see our corps talking crap with random people we never heard of unless they started it. A prime example is Rampage because he is known for talking a lot of crap but the truth is, you won't see him starting crap with random people he has never heard of that he doesn't know.
2. "When a kid picks up a bad habit its because they have seen another person do it before them" <-- A lot of times, a kid sees but does not understand. You say you see us smack talking but do you understand it? Who are the people talking smack the most? Dust and Rampage, do you notice who they are talking to? The people they know in FA and Kobra, not random people they don't know.
If two people don't like each other and always nag at the other when they are together, it is understandable because that happens all the time between people that don't like each other. What you (not you as in you but in a general context) don't see is one of them attacking and starting an argument with someone they don't know who is asking a question. When that happens, they look like an ******* to everyone around them.
To put in simple, two people arguing with someone they have history with and know is not really a very bad thing because many people don't get along with someone they know. So people for the most part shouldn't view it as "that person is such a jerk and is mean". If someone starts crap with a random person on the street who is asking a question or trying to give you directions, that person is a jerk and other people walking by will most likely view that person as such.
3. I only take one thing personally... *looks at CCP Lockingbro * y u no luv meh Dad?
4. I thought of this when you said "kid" :P
02/05/whatever Peace made between psychopath Yoshi and CCP. You all get to live... for now... :P
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Darth Threatius
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2014.02.10 00:44:00 -
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I speak for myself and not for my corp in this matter.
Subsonic complains because there are MANY MANY Sooooo Many members in the corp that can easily see thru BS
First came Teamplayers, then AE , then Pradox thought they could police the PFC but got ran off. Then came DDB now NF?
None have every completely upheld the rules of PFC as far as policing it.
How about a fee for reclaiming a district if it is taking by violation of the rules? That is really the only policing that really needs to be done. Also the only policing that can be done. You think the fact that you are policing is going to deter someone from attacking when they have nothing to lose? A weekly fee for doing NOTHING is absurd.
CCP should be ashamed of allowing some of these large corps to act this way especially since there are dev. to player relationships within some of these "elite" corps.
Subsonic has always kept it's district unlocked. Even though CCP has done a very poor job in creating a game that can't easily be manipulated doesn't mean you have to take advantage of unrealistic characteristics of the game. Treat the game as if it was real.
Since when does a defender get to choose when they get attacked? That is the first mistake CCP made with P.C. Obliviously locking districts is part of that.
This could be a picture that you could look at yet now you're wasting your time reading this.
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Free Beers
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1856
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Posted - 2014.02.10 01:26:00 -
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Darth Threatius wrote:I speak for myself and not for my corp in this matter.
Subsonic complains because there are MANY MANY Sooooo Many members in the corp that can easily see thru BS
First came Teamplayers, then AE , then Pradox thought they could police the PFC but got ran off. Then came DDB now NF?
None have every completely upheld the rules of PFC as far as policing it.
How about a fee for reclaiming a district if it is taking by violation of the rules? That is really the only policing that really needs to be done. Also the only policing that can be done. You think the fact that you are policing is going to deter someone from attacking when they have nothing to lose? A weekly fee for doing NOTHING is absurd.
CCP should be ashamed of allowing some of these large corps to act this way especially since there are dev. to player relationships within some of these "elite" corps.
Subsonic has always kept it's district unlocked. Even though CCP has done a very poor job in creating a game that can't easily be manipulated doesn't mean you have to take advantage of unrealistic characteristics of the game. Treat the game as if it was real.
Since when does a defender get to choose when they get attacked? That is the first mistake CCP made with P.C. Obliviously locking districts is part of that.
Oh Darth Scrubious CCP loves the Meta like a toothless ***** loves the ****. As I pointed out earlier in the thread the same thing occurs in eve and has been apart of the game, well, forever. CCP won't do anything nor do they really even care. PC is not the land of hugs. If you can't take the district by yourself you have 2 options left: pay for it or play pubs.
Can you please show me in the game description where it says everyone gets participation trophies and their own little district to call their own. Thing is you can either pay the ransom, protection, extortion and participate in PFC or not. I wouldn't pay it. I find corps that try to promote e-honor or principles in dust are pretty terrible and belong in pubs anyways.
o7 best of luck
[CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm
[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit
[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San Renegade Alliance
432
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Posted - 2014.02.10 02:03:00 -
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Something else that should be look at is Alliance with multiple district on PFC 3 is to many for one alliance to have, Two Alliances that have this is Zero-Day, and The Corvos, I just feel more corps from different alliances need to be on PFC |
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Darth Threatius
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
23
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:15:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Darth Threatius wrote:I speak for myself and not for my corp in this matter.
Subsonic complains because there are MANY MANY Sooooo Many members in the corp that can easily see thru BS
First came Teamplayers, then AE , then Pradox thought they could police the PFC but got ran off. Then came DDB now NF?
None have every completely upheld the rules of PFC as far as policing it.
How about a fee for reclaiming a district if it is taking by violation of the rules? That is really the only policing that really needs to be done. Also the only policing that can be done. You think the fact that you are policing is going to deter someone from attacking when they have nothing to lose? A weekly fee for doing NOTHING is absurd.
CCP should be ashamed of allowing some of these large corps to act this way especially since there are dev. to player relationships within some of these "elite" corps.
Subsonic has always kept it's district unlocked. Even though CCP has done a very poor job in creating a game that can't easily be manipulated doesn't mean you have to take advantage of unrealistic characteristics of the game. Treat the game as if it was real.
Since when does a defender get to choose when they get attacked? That is the first mistake CCP made with P.C. Obliviously locking districts is part of that.
Oh Darth Scrubious CCP loves the Meta like a toothless ***** loves the ****. As I pointed out earlier in the thread the same thing occurs in eve and has been apart of the game, well, forever. CCP won't do anything nor do they really even care. PC is not the land of hugs. If you can't take the district by yourself you have 2 options left: pay for it or play pubs. Can you please show me in the game description where it says everyone gets participation trophies and their own little district to call their own. Thing is you can either pay the ransom, protection, extortion and participate in PFC or not. I wouldn't pay it. I find corps that try to promote e-honor or principles in dust are pretty terrible and belong in pubs anyways. o7 best of luck
glad you got your sissy whine session out of the way. too bad none of it was relevant to what I said.
This could be a picture that you could look at yet now you're wasting your time reading this.
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Gelhad Thremyr
Quebec United
60
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Posted - 2014.02.10 04:40:00 -
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A valid point and duely noted. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
974
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:54:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:
So let's add your pennies and make something that anyone would want to make sure is runned successfully, that can survive even if NF breaks a part.
Did you really use the word "runned" ? bwahahahaha
What if a district that is under protection by a paying corp is lost to say, AE. And NF is unable to take the district back, because lets face it even the best of NF can be beaten which has been proven a few times lately. What can the corporation who lost its "protected" district expect as compensation back from the insurance company? Book value? 200 million? |
Shiyou Hidiyoshi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
214
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:29:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Judge SoTa PoP wrote:
So let's add your pennies and make something that anyone would want to make sure is runned successfully, that can survive even if NF breaks a part.
Did you really use the word "runned" ? bwahahahaha What if a district that is under protection by a paying corp is lost to say, AE. And NF is unable to take the district back, because lets face it even the best of NF can be beaten which has been proven a few times lately. What can the corporation who lost its "protected" district expect as compensation back from the insurance company? Book value? 200 million? You then hire the Anime Coalition
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Free Beers
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1856
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:58:00 -
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Darth Threatius wrote:
glad you got your sissy whine session out of the way. too bad none of it was relevant to what I said.
Wait didn't you come in here whining? Complain about big corps some? Dev players relationship some? CCP letting corps pick on you some? Please take your ***** *** corp and play in pubs. ***** like you dont even belong in the war room
Kid go back to playing candy crush your vag is showing
[CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm
[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit
[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
240
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Posted - 2014.02.10 17:11:00 -
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In the real world there is a word for this type of activity;
EXTORTION!
How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along. |
Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
114
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Posted - 2014.02.10 17:31:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:In the real world there is a word for this type of activity;
EXTORTION!
How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1416
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Posted - 2014.02.10 17:42:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:In the real world there is a word for this type of activity;
EXTORTION!
How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along.
Just today, actually, an alliance PFC district was attacked by a corp who has previously stolen one of our PFC districts before, when Ancient Exiles was supposed to be providing enforcement. And in previous attacks they've brought overwhelming numbers of clones.
Why do we support it? We may very well be getting more than our money's worth this week alone.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Iskandar Zul Karnain
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
2572
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Posted - 2014.02.10 17:49:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:bigolenuts wrote:In the real world there is a word for this type of activity;
EXTORTION!
How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along. Just today, actually, an alliance PFC district was attacked by a corp who has previously stolen one of our PFC districts before, when Ancient Exiles was supposed to be providing enforcement. And in previous attacks they've brought overwhelming numbers of clones. Why do we support it? We may very well be getting more than our money's worth this week alone. If you were smart you would have burnt PFC via proxy before coming to its rescue. Alas! You aren't smart.
Jihad Jeep Proficiency V
Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
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CR4SH OVERRIDE
0
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Posted - 2014.02.10 17:50:00 -
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Judge SoTa PoP wrote:
NF is willing to let other corps police and take the ISK for doing so - we're not saying we monopolize this business. The business is created so the community has an entity to work with regarding PFC, so PFC itself can choose who polices it.
So if a corp on PFC says they want another corp other than one in NF to protect them... they they don't have to pay the 8 mil a week to NF?
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
243
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:21:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:bigolenuts wrote:In the real world there is a word for this type of activity;
EXTORTION!
How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along. Just today, actually, an alliance PFC district was attacked by a corp who has previously stolen one of our PFC districts before, when Ancient Exiles was supposed to be providing enforcement. And in previous attacks they've brought overwhelming numbers of clones. Why do we support it? We may very well be getting more than our money's worth this week alone.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1417
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Posted - 2014.02.10 19:38:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:I attacked you in my alt Corp. See you on the field.
The fight isn't in my time zone, but I'm sure my associates will give you a good fight.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
244
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:06:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:bigolenuts wrote:I attacked you in my alt Corp. See you on the field. The fight isn't in my time zone, but I'm sure my associates will give you a good fight.
I lied |
bigolenuts
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
244
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:08:00 -
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Good point up there dude. So, if Corp A doesn't pay the extortion fee and says they will defend their land themselves why do the PFC Police have to attack them and take it? Why can they not just stay and keep their land until the time limit is up? According to the rules of PFC hiring ringers is not allowed. So....that would eliminate the Kanes crew of misfits from coming in.
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Z3R0 GR4VITY
Red Star. EoN.
331
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:37:00 -
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bigolenuts wrote:Good point up there dude. So, if Corp A doesn't pay the extortion fee and says they will defend their land themselves why do the PFC Police have to attack them and take it? Why can they not just stay and keep their land until the time limit is up? According to the rules of PFC hiring ringers is not allowed. So....that would eliminate the Kanes crew of misfits from coming in.
You're thinking too logically here, this is the war room where only nonsense and bullshit can be understood. Even though good points have been made, it doesn't matter apparently.
"Oh yeah, well where did you buy your clothes, the toilet store?"
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1641
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:42:00 -
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Simply state the names of those who did not pay the fee and say they are fair game for eviction so if Corp A refuses to pay the fee and Corp B wants a district tell Corp B they can try and flip it if they want. If they succeed they have a PFC district if they fail they got some practice.
Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
2290
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:59:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Simply state the names of those who did not pay the fee and say they are fair game for eviction so if Corp A refuses to pay the fee and Corp B wants a district tell Corp B they can try and flip it if they want. If they succeed they have a PFC district if they fail they got some practice. I like this... as long as the district is unlocked, locked ones ought to get sniped by NF
Listen
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CR4SH OVERRIDE
4
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Posted - 2014.02.11 14:38:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Simply state the names of those who did not pay the fee and say they are fair game for eviction so if Corp A refuses to pay the fee and Corp B wants a district tell Corp B they can try and flip it if they want. If they succeed they have a PFC district if they fail they got some practice. And what if corp B calls in ringers to flip it... is that "fair" to corp A since they really shouldn't use ringers per the rules of PFC? If corp A is doing everything that PFC was intended for and following all rules but not paying this extortion fee... do you think it is fair that they lose their PFC district to some other corp that is willing to roll over and give into this forced insurance plan?
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