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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:08:00 -
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PFC was originally established as a replacement for Corp Battles - maybe we should go back to that. Obviously these little guys don't want any sort of help - many saying they can win there own battles.
Awesome! Go a head! WHY ARE YOU ON PFC IF YOU CAN WIN YOUR OWN BATTLES?! Do you realize how much you're screaming, "Hey, I'm a ******, I can fight back against top tier corps, but I want to fight on PFC still without any consequences!!!!!!!"
And then there's corp like Hellstorm who abuse PFC in there own special way, by being there when they aren't suppose to be and farming it for ISK Can anyone suggest HS - a once top 3 corp - belongs on PFC? If so, get your brain examined. They can enter PC if they wanted - but they turned casual. Which, again, means they have no place on PFC. And there are other corps just like this one - Crying about a rental fee they could pay 100 times over - while corps who struggle to pay are working with the Council and NF to see what can be done. Don't be like Hellstorm and Subscrubs and just cry - work with NF. They're not trying to bully you, if they were it wouldn't of happened this way.
Do you really think NF has to play nice about PFC? We could just walk in and take over, no words needed. Got a problem? Hire AE and FA to take care of us. Which will cost you many times more then just working with us. But, hey, at least you fought back against 'extortion' that finally set up PFC to be a self-maintained and run system. Good job! That'll show the community that PFC should be paid for by everyone but the people in it. lol? 8 million a week takes how many weeks to reach 200mil? Because that'll be the price you'll be paying just a SINGLE BATTLE without this deal.
And this leads to the break down of PFC: No one cares outside to those who effects. If they did care - it wouldn't of had to be NF to step up and do something about the rampant abuse and neglect. DDB could of done this just as easily - or AE. Both of which are rich enough to make this a true charity drive - NF does not have the funds to do so. But we do have the heart to reach out - so we did. And we thought we had support on this issue - but people don't know where they leave there brains. Maybe you enjoyed PFC being ISK farmed, so long as YOUR corp uses it correctly? - WRONG IF ONE CORP ABUSES THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS AT JEOPARDY. This was understood even when PFC was meant for Top Corps only. If one corp can do as it pleases, nothing stops anyone else from doing it.
After spelling it out clearly for a week - people still missed the memo of, "It's too cost effective to police PFC and keep tabs for nothing," 9mil a week is nothing, but times it by 23 it becomes something. So let's add your pennies and make something that anyone would want to make sure is runned successfully, that can survive even if NF breaks a part, and is watched by a community driven council who can step in and tell NF "NO" or any other corp "NO" when they do wrong or not abide by PFC and Council.
NF is willing to let other corps police and take the ISK for doing so - we're not saying we monopolize this business. The business is created so the community has an entity to work with regarding PFC, so PFC itself can choose who polices it.
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:37:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I laughed pretty hard.
+1 You're welcome.
Remember forum warrior wanna-be's who use likes to show your pride: You suck. Be more entertaining while sucking at least.
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:43:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:wait...so is Subsonic Synthesis slated for deletion?? No, unlike other corps who voice up Subsonic actually belongs on PFC. But how long they stay is still completely up to chance, who hates them, and how well they play. |
Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:51:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. yes and winning fights nets even more ISK. tbqh 9 mill is chump change to be able to keep your district. No one seems to understand this.
A lot of us have come to realize how poorly people understand PC mechanics. And we're beginning to think corps are extorting there members, lying about how much ISK they have to store it for themselves. Otherwise we can't believe people are really this stupid. |
Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:58:00 -
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All the info CEO and directors use... are found in Dev Blogs. Google it. It's all there. There's no secret info for secret people. lol
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Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:04:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but the average district generates just under 9 million ISK a day so you have still have 6 days clone generation. The only thing is that they aren't supposed to farm ISK.....once their districts are full, they should be attacked or launching attacks. However, if $8M per week is all inclusive...which means that they don't have to pay the ringers per match then it's a good deal. I thought they had to pay the weekly stipend plus the ringer fee per battle. But since it's all inclusive...it really is a good deal. I used Clone Generation instead of ISK generation because you would still have 6 days to generate clones to attack districts with not to farm ISK. I don't think it's all inclusive so once I know the prices of defending/flipping a district back I will judge if it's too much. The rental covers all fees. No paying for ringers or clones. Idealy we'd just use your PFC clones before the last battle and just prevent flip - but there's an ERA district on PFC in case of emergencies. No payment from corp required. Rent covers everything. |
Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:18:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Kain personally approached me to speak on the council citing my involvement and promotion on PFC since it's inception. He was clear about both my and Hellstorms continued commitment to PFC and encouraging new players to get involved in meta gaming.
He conveniently left out the part about having to pay to remain on PFC.
This is was a simple bait and switch to extort a massive amount of ISK for a service that will rarely, if ever, be needed. Explain why we need a military on retainer if most districts will be locked by mutual fighting. It's inconceivable that NF could actually spend 200 m ISK a week occasionally removing one or two corps who burn a few districts for the luls.
This is nothing more than than NF turning PFC into a safe and easy source of revenue.
The final outcome will result in the stagnation and death of PFC as a training ground and usher in new era of CPM-approved extortion of new players.
Say what you want about Hellstorm but I'd like to see you try and rent some districts to corporations in your weight class.
Let's address the concerns here:
You feel baited. This is a real concern for me. NF would like to apologize to you for the misunderstanding. We understand your anger, and respect your decision to leave PFCC in anger. We would of likely done the same in your boat. I would apologize to you more, but I hate wasted words that mean nothing to the person listening. Just know - if there was a way I could reconcile with HS we would. I call you guys out - but out of all the corps HS has been one of it's strongest supporters.
And yes, it is NF turning PFC into a source of revenue. What's wrong with that if it's just asking a low low fee from many many different corps? It's unfair to begin with to ask AE, DDB, FA, or NF to take care of PFC for you guys - and you surely don't yourselves. There is no back plan where PFC comes together to fight invader - you need to WIN THE FIGHT TO FIGHT BACK THE INVADER. And if you're on PFC you should hardly be capable of fighting back and winning if a PC corp comes knocking. So we thought for a long time how to make a system that would pay police, give PFC support both army and meta, and not turn it into a power play.
The solution was simple; Create a council to regulate PFC, let it handle choosing rules and who polices, and charge rent - who goes to council first - then ends up in whoever council chooses to police. Those funds will add up with that corp into a stock pile and be used SOLEY for PFC until another corp replaces them - where they keep all funds earned thus far, and a new corp takes up the 200mil a week plate.
Is this a full proof plan? **** NO. That's why the council exists - to adapt to the communities needs. |
Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:53:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:You get a -1 on your meta Sota. How much are you being paid to soldier this forum war?
NF has used deceitful tactics to engineer this scenario acting as Taste said more like the Sheriff of Knottingham than the Robin Hoods you thinly portray yourselves to be.
Who has reason to trust Spero or NF after a move like this?
I'll make you a deal though, cut your rent in half and Chribba holds the wallet. Funds are paid to the contracted corp after winning back a district. If your intentions are good you have no reason not to comply. Honestly, I just wanted Hellstorms good will, you guys are leaving PFC regardless. Be men and realize you don't belong and leave yourself and prove to the community you aren't just protesting to just protest. Then maybe your words to me will echo a bit louder. |
Judge SoTa PoP
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.09 09:16:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote: A low low fee. Please pay up front, we will gladly take your money this month as we feel we are the strongest corp. However we give no refunds if next month we were unable to hold your districts, but if you give us more money we will gladly get you a district back sometime in the future. We are here for you younger corps "insert pretty fluffy wording with the desire to win your hearts and minds" but please send your corps hard earned isk! Its really not that much Taste, If there district is flipped we flip it back at no cost to them. Renter fee covers all.
and if you feel like you can put together a team to beat your old alliance, by all means FINALLY DO. WE'VE BEEN WAITING. Until then we'll continue to enjoy flipping your districts. |
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