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Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4499	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:30:00 - [1] - Quote Was brought up in the main thread here, but it really could use it's own thread. jackbubu wrote: just gonna leave this here Quote: Scout Suit Bonus: +10% bonus to PG/CPU cost of cloak field per level. Amarr Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to cloak field cooldown per level. Caldari Scout Bonus: 5% reduction to firing cloak cost per level. Gallente Scout Bonus: +5% to dropsuit scan radius and 5% reduction to scan profile per level. Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. http://i.imgur.com/BFTlfqn.jpg It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1780	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:32:00 - [2] - Quote SIS wrote: Type ID: 28840 Name: Magic Crystal Ball Description: Allows you to see into the future by looking for new TypeIDs on Singularity. Warning: Side-effects may include speculation, jumping to conclusions, overanalysis, misunderstandings, unwarranted assumptions, ten-page forum threads, baseless concerns, undue panic, virtual stampedes, threadnaughts, premature account cancellation and unneeded developer stress. USE WITH CAUTION. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 821	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:32:00 - [3] - Quote Lol @ everyone being too lazy to make the thread before you "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Jason Pearson 3816	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:32:00 - [4] - Quote So Cloak is equipment that has to be fired? makes sense. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2210	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:33:00 - [5] - Quote wut. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 170	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:33:00 - [6] - Quote I just wish for Minmatar they would make Nova Knifing part of melee damage, and give us the 5%, plus ability to use myofybril modules. This is the only thing that makes sense. Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4499	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: SIS wrote: Type ID: 28840 Name: Magic Crystal Ball Description: Allows you to see into the future by looking for new TypeIDs on Singularity. Warning: Side-effects may include speculation, jumping to conclusions, overanalysis, misunderstandings, unwarranted assumptions, ten-page forum threads, baseless concerns, undue panic, virtual stampedes, threadnaughts, premature account cancellation and unneeded developer stress. USE WITH CAUTION. CCP has their own private internal server, Singularity however is their test server that the customers are specifically given access to in order to provide them feedback. Call it the crystal ball if you want, but if CCP didn't want our feedback then they would of never put this info on Singularity. Roy Ventus wrote: Lol @ everyone being too lazy to make the thread before you I know, right? I was shocked no one made this thread, and even asked someone to please make it. Eventually I got tired of waiting so made it myself. Jason Pearson wrote: So Cloak is equipment that has to be fired? makes sense. My guess is that there is a new "stamina bar" of sorts for the cloak, and moving and firing your weapon drains it. So Caldari's bonuses is to not drain the cloak so much from firing weapons. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 557	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:38:00 - [8] - Quote Yes, give me that Caldari scout now!
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 215	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:44:00 - [9] - Quote Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction?
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 558	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:50:00 - [10] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP.

Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2615	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:54:00 - [11] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1727	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:56:00 - [12] - Quote Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 216	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:56:00 - [13] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Hmmm this minny suit just keeps getting better and better LOL
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 842	Posted - 2014.01.08 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. Since Cloacking is visual and scan is based on sound (decibels - dB) I would imagine that you show up on radar regaurdless of cloaking. {:)}{3GÇó> "Well, at least he didn't do that walking against the wind sh!t. I hate that."
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 842	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:00:00 - [15] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Why, it's extreamly hard to hit what you can't see. Regardless of showing up on radar or not. {:)}{3GÇó> "I'm the Muther**er."
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4503	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:02:00 - [16] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. We don't know exactly how the cloak field will work yet, scouts aren't necessarily going to have to become campers. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1079	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:03:00 - [17] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Since Cloacking is visual and scan is based on sound (decibels - dB) I would imagine that you show up on radar regaurdless of cloaking. Actually, decibels do not necessarily refer to sound. Decibels are simply a gain factor. dB is also used in radar, power, and many other things. !
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 842	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:04:00 - [18] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. Well, who exactly are the listen to? You? Me? Cause if they are listening to me, then they would think that cloacks are a good idea. So, who made you the king of ideas? {:)}{3GÇó> "I'm the Muther**er."
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1258	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:13:00 - [19] - Quote Don't freak out too much. Many crapper players would run to stealth suits in the orginal planetside. Some were amazing at it, most you could see a mile off, and they were pretty easy to kill. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1837	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:13:00 - [20] - Quote With all of these changes, additions, and new stuff... I smell a release around the corner. 500 million isk says that it won't be called 1.8. There might be a 1.8, but it won't include this stuff. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!

Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4512	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:22:00 - [21] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: With all of these changes, additions, and new stuff... I smell a release around the corner. 500 million isk says that it won't be called 1.8. There might be a 1.8, but it won't include this stuff. You're probably right, I just hope they aren't going to arbitrarily hold off all this new content for a release date around Fan Fest. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 843	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:32:00 - [22] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Since Cloacking is visual and scan is based on sound (decibels - dB) I would imagine that you show up on radar regaurdless of cloaking. Actually, decibels do not necessarily refer to sound. Decibels are simply a gain factor. dB is also used in radar, power, and many other things. I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. {:)}{3GÇó> "I'm the Mother**er."
pseudosnipre 480	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:33:00 - [23] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Since Cloacking is visual and scan is based on sound (decibels - dB) I would imagine that you show up on radar regaurdless of cloaking. Actually, decibels do not necessarily refer to sound. Decibels are simply a gain factor. dB is also used in radar, power, and many other things. +1 Although lower is better for detection as most signatures are given in negative dB... Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 147	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:35:00 - [24] - Quote Looks like with the introduction of Cloaking, the Minmatar Scout Bonus will finally make sense.
pseudosnipre 480	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:37:00 - [25] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Since Cloacking is visual and scan is based on sound (decibels - dB) I would imagine that you show up on radar regaurdless of cloaking. Actually, decibels do not necessarily refer to sound. Decibels are simply a gain factor. dB is also used in radar, power, and many other things. I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. LMAO! Yes it can, walls just attenuate it! Did you even Google this first?!?!? This isn't even darpa tech, you could build it in your garage with horn apertures and a laptop... Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1082	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:42:00 - [26] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. !
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11731	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:44:00 - [27] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. Gallente uses magnetic sensors which unfortunately all dropsuits are 'noisy as hell' with specially with the way shields work. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:45:00 - [28] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. especially without cooking the user and target. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1082	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:46:00 - [29] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. especially without cooking the user and target. Eh... We're expendable. !
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2619	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:49:00 - [30] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Why, it's extreamly hard to hit what you can't see. Regardless of showing up on radar or not. Hey you know those chevrons above your head? Yeah, you aim just below that because guess what, there's a body there. If you've ever played battlefield this will have the same problem as being able to spot through smoke. You spot someone and fire just below the chevron. It doesn't matter that you can't see them because you know where they are because HEY there's an arrow pointing at them. Being able to see someone's chevron who is cloaked will make cloaks absolutely worthless unless you're playing noobs. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 301	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:53:00 - [31] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. especially without cooking the user and target. And thus you now have the FCR (fire control radar) of a modern jet fighter. They do put out enough RF energy to fry you if you get to close and stay in it's range for too long. All those dog fighters up there painting each other with RF energy all the time.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4514	Posted - 2014.01.08 20:59:00 - [32] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Why, it's extreamly hard to hit what you can't see. Regardless of showing up on radar or not. Hey you know those chevrons above your head? Yeah, you aim just below that because guess what, there's a body there. If you've ever played battlefield this will have the same problem as being able to spot through smoke. You spot someone and fire just below the chevron. It doesn't matter that you can't see them because you know where they are because HEY there's an arrow pointing at them. Being able to see someone's chevron who is cloaked will make cloaks absolutely worthless unless you're playing noobs. I'd say it's pretty safe to assume cloaking removes the chevron on enemies' HUD. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 220	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:00:00 - [33] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. I hope not otherwise cloaking will be one of the most pointless things to skill into Why, it's extreamly hard to hit what you can't see. Regardless of showing up on radar or not. Hey you know those chevrons above your head? Yeah, you aim just below that because guess what, there's a body there. If you've ever played battlefield this will have the same problem as being able to spot through smoke. You spot someone and fire just below the chevron. It doesn't matter that you can't see them because you know where they are because HEY there's an arrow pointing at them. Being able to see someone's chevron who is cloaked will make cloaks absolutely worthless unless you're playing noobs. Don't forget your crosshairs will probably still turn red
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:07:00 - [34] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: pseudosnipre wrote: Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. especially without cooking the user and target. And thus you now have the FCR (fire control radar) of a modern jet fighter. They do put out enough RF energy to fry you if you get to close and stay in it's range for too long. All those dog fighters up there painting each other with RF energy all the time. Maybe each suit is a grounded faraday cage... Also, fighter pilot backlobe and faulty RF snuff. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1641	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:11:00 - [35] - Quote The only way it would make sense is if the minja suit base Db was decreased so that dampeners were considered to be built in. I am really curious to see slot load out. If everything stays the exact same on the suit, and now they only have knife and laughable cupcake melee it will become a complete joke. even with a cloak. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 442	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:12:00 - [36] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. In the initial blog dealing with equipment CCP said you will apear on the tacnet if someone is able to scan you. It doesn't matter if your cloaked or not
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 559	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:15:00 - [37] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. I respectfully disagree, I have wanted cloaking in the game since CCP first mentioned it would be possible in DUST. Cloaking is a very real very annoying part of EVE lore and it should certainly be just as much a pain in our backsides here in dust. Now I do agree that I hope light suits are not just relegated to cloak work only. I do hope they still have other viable roles. At the moment though this is all speculation.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2625	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:16:00 - [38] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I'd say it's pretty safe to assume cloaking removes the chevron on enemies' HUD. CCP hasn't exactly been great at making balance decisions so far. Just because it would seem it's an obvious decision doesn't mean it will happen. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 559	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:17:00 - [39] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: mr musturd wrote: Wait, minny is losing its 5% profile reduction? What with that and the stats leaked for the new gallente logi - I honestly HOPE either scanners are being reworked or base profile Db is being reworked. Also - If we are cloaked do we still show up on the scanners or not? I would hope not unless there is some extra information to come from CCP. In the initial blog dealing with equipment CCP said you will apear on the tacnet if someone is able to scan you. It doesn't matter if your cloaked or not But then what would be the point of cloaking? They will still see red chevrons running about the map? I mean if they rework scout base Db so that it naturally bypasses most scanners that would be ok otherwise I just think.... ehh!? Cloaked = totally invisible - you cant detect me. Otherwise its not a cloak in my book.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1872	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:19:00 - [40] - Quote Cloak camp 514. Thanks for completely removing the fast hack role. I had hope that you'd already move it to a shout suit. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1800	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:20:00 - [41] - Quote Can you please add a take off your pants inorder to prevent getting them messy warning in your subject. Selling Templar BPO 300Mil Earn 25Mil+ ISK in Dust
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2584	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:35:00 - [42] - Quote I've been nerfed Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2588	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:39:00 - [43] - Quote Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2627	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:40:00 - [44] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Logis will probably have a ton of PG/CPU so their -25% will make cloaking pretty easy for them. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4520	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:41:00 - [45] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2585	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:44:00 - [46] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. It can't possibly be a piece of equipment, but they said it could be fitted on other suits with extreme sacrifice. I think it is a weapon slot. It wouldn't make sense (given the logistics bonus) to be an equipment piece unless Logi bonus ignored the cloak. I think it will be a non-lethal scrambler rifle, where there is a charge up time and heat. Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4520	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:46:00 - [47] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. It can't possibly be a piece of equipment, but they said it could be fitted on other suits with extreme sacrifice. I think it is a weapon slot. It wouldn't make sense (given the logistics bonus) to be an equipment piece unless Logi bonus ignored the cloak. I think it will be a non-lethal scrambler rifle, where there is a charge up time and heat. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/ That dev blog says it's an equipment. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
pseudosnipre 481	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:51:00 - [48] - Quote Someday, I'll be able to use the cloak to: -Sneak into mining sites, assassinate miners, sabotage their gear and steal their resources. -Infiltrate enemy hq, eavesdrop on high level meetings, and sell info to top bidder. -survey enemy outpost guard rotations, note weak points in perimeter defense, and sell data to enemies. until then I'll be one of the four people on my team trying to win the match while the other twelve try to knife each other while invisible. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2586	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:55:00 - [49] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/ That dev blog says it's an equipment. Well they nerfed my range (not yet) Luckily gal scout also gets 5% reduction to profile as well so there is no loss except 25% of range. Every other scout is being forced to use a cloak which I find unfair but whatever. The end result is we will have to see what the new item stats are. Obviously with the given item stats most of the new (outside of scout) racial bonuses are OP. However I think they'll nerf the items and buff certain others. I am hoping: Scanner Precision Nerf Scout Profile Buff Scout Range Buff Small Scout HP buff ( it will be impossible to keep up with assaults otherwise ) But I know better, I know it will not turn out like I hope, I will be nerfed out of existence. Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation 675	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:57:00 - [50] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: but it really could use it's own thread. From the guy who discovered? but i like the bonuses... *Assassination is my thing.*

Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 189	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:14:00 - [51] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've been nerfed yeah.... I feel like I am being forced into a certain role.... (willy nilly bullet sprayer) since "my" choice of "roles" are being nerfed little by little. " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2587	Posted - 2014.01.08 22:36:00 - [52] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've been nerfed yeah.... I feel like I am being forced into a certain role.... (willy nilly bullet sprayer) since "my" choice of "roles" are being nerfed little by little. Exactly, it's destroying sand box It's like, now all scouts will need to use one piece of equipment. It's like scouts are being designed to NEED the cloak rather than just be able to support it. Scouts are losing profile reduction so every scout other than Gallente will NEED the cloak to keep up. Speculation with 87% Affirmative Do Not Feed The Imperfects. Feeding them may disrupt the natural setting.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1642	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:13:00 - [53] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Someday, I'll be able to use the cloak to: -Sneak into mining sites, assassinate miners, sabotage their gear and steal their resources. -Infiltrate enemy hq, eavesdrop on high level meetings, and sell info to top bidder. -survey enemy outpost guard rotations, note weak points in perimeter defense, and sell data to enemies. until then I'll be one of the four people on my team trying to win the match while the other twelve try to knife each other while invisible. And I'll help out. I need ISK. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 845	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:16:00 - [54] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm pretty sure it is based on sound because radar can't see through walls. Yes, radar can. Typically radar uses electromagnetic waves that have longer wavelengths than visible light. These waves are absorbed and reflected fairly easily because of it. However, electromagnetic waves with higher frequencies like X-rays and Gamma rays can pass through walls. But these are also just as likely to pass through our bodies as the wall. Sound travels worse through solid objects than electromagnetic waves. In truth, there is no real world explanation for how the scanner is able to perform as well as it does. Not Ecco location. It travels around objects the same principle as sonar. Also prolonged exposure to X and gamma rays will kill you. If you are useing a frequency with a long enough wave length to pa through walls it will also quite easily pass through a human. Have you ever looked at an X-ray picture? As well, you would have to have some pretty amazing equipment, necessary to between what part of the wave is being bounced of the wall and what part of the wave has passed through and bounced off another target then passed through the wall again. Given that the target you are looking for is much less dense than the one you are attempting to bypass... Good luck with that. {:)}{3GÇó>
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1086	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:24:00 - [55] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Not Ecco location. It travels around objects the same principle as sonar. Also prolonged exposure to X and gamma rays will kill you. If you are useing a frequency with a long enough wave length to pa through walls it will also quite easily pass through a human. Have you ever looked at an X-ray picture? As well, you would have to have some pretty amazing equipment, necessary to between what part of the wave is being bounced of the wall and what part of the wave has passed through and bounced off another target then passed through the wall again. Given that the target you are looking for is much less dense than the one you are attempting to bypass... Good luck with that. Sonar is Echo Location. You send out a pulse and the time it takes to get back determines the distance to the object. Bouncing around corners screws up that calculation. As for the exposure, we are clones. Our bodies are disposable. The forge gun is supposed to release enough radiation to cause long term problems but it doesn't matter since we can swap out bodies long before it becomes a problem. And I already noted that EM radar waves able to pass through walls will also pass the the body. Anyways, the point is moot. As IWS explained, the scanner is detecting EM waves emitted by our suits (mainly due to our shields). !
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 845	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:29:00 - [56] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Sonar is Echo Location Geez, everybody's gonna try and bust my ball to day, hunh? Sonar, as in the equipment used to achieve the ability to ecco locate under water. The equipment and the act are not the same thing. {:)}{3GÇó>
Oswald Rehnquist 1004	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:31:00 - [57] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png Below 28 dB
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1740	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:35:00 - [58] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. We don't know exactly how the cloak field will work yet, scouts aren't necessarily going to have to become campers. We didn't know how PC was going to work either and you can read my thread 2 months before it came out and I tell whats going to happen. Pretty sure I also called the SP sink in uprising before it happened. Also I just this is ccp and they mess everything up [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1740	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:40:00 - [59] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Free Beers wrote: Dear ccp, cloaks are a terrible fking idea. Also making scout just 1 things aka a cloaking camper is giving up. CCP once again you try force players to play a game you want it to be instead of actually listening and trying to improve the ACTUAL game we play.. Well, who exactly are the listen to? You? Me? Cause if they are listening to me, then they would think that cloacks are a good idea. So, who made you the king of ideas? you should curtsy before your king, try not to let your vag show either [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 846	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:45:00 - [60] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png "...While integrated friction and impact dampening reduce the overal sound signature. What is up *****es! I knew there was a reason I thought it was sound. I've read that before. {:)}{3GÇó>

Scottie MaCallan Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 56	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:45:00 - [61] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Kahn Zo wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I've been nerfed yeah.... I feel like I am being forced into a certain role.... (willy bullet sprayer) since "my" choice of "roles" are being nerfed little by little. Exactly, it's destroying sand box It's like, now all scouts will need this piece of equipment. It's like scouts are being designed to NEED the cloak rather than just be able to support it. Scouts are losing profile reduction so every scout other than Gallente will NEED the cloak to keep up. Speculation with 87% Affirmative EXACTLY. Making practically all of the role bonuses support cloaks means scouts are most likely going to get pidgeon-holed into very few effective roles. The bonuses need to be more broad or scouts better see some very different stats ( which most likely won't happen). As is, it looks like we're going to get one min-maxed cloaky Scout, a couple copy cats of that class from people who choose the wrong race, then maybe a gal scout with damps and then the same niche-novelty minmatar knifers. CCP, please support a greater variety of play, like, for example, right now I run a min scout w/ a shotgun and 1 damp (enough to Dodge all but the 15db scanners) and a code braker. With proposed changes I'd have to either switch to gal and pick up a useless (for me) cloak bonus as well as a speed nerf, not to mention a non-ideal armor tank for a quick close cqc role, or potentially go caldari and change how I play. Like, why not bring back the profile bonus for the role and add racial bonuses that support cloak or biotics or hacking? Instead of shoehorning class based equipment restrictions into your role bonus system, why not provide role based equipment restrictions and then a role bonus? My example is just one potential scout role you're nerfing in order to promote a single new role, there are many more
pseudosnipre 484	Posted - 2014.01.08 23:55:00 - [62] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: http://i.imgur.com/eEeKFxI.png "...While integrated friction and impact dampening reduce the overal sound signature." What is up *****es! I knew there was a reason I thought it was sound. I've read that before. Sonar footsteps...good job. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1088	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:02:00 - [63] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: "...While integrated friction and impact dampening reduce the overal sound signature." What is up ***es! I knew there was a reason I thought it was sound. I've read that before. while the scout suit may decrease our sound signature... Active Scanner wrote: Sending out a triggered pulse of high-frequency magnetometric waves** and interpreting the results with an uplinked onboard computer, the Active Scanner gives ground units a snapshot of enemy positions. Projection nodes set at specific angles on the hand-held device, generate a vectored impulse capable of extracting objects from high-noise environments. Feedback from the pulse is filtered to reduce ambient clutter and pinpoint targets lacking IFF signals. the Active Scanner does not use sound. !
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 847	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:09:00 - [64] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: "...While integrated friction and impact dampening reduce the overal sound signature." What is up ***es! I knew there was a reason I thought it was sound. I've read that before. while the scout suit may decrease our sound signature... Active Scanner wrote: Sending out a triggered pulse of high-frequency magnetometric waves** and interpreting the results with an uplinked onboard computer, the Active Scanner gives ground units a snapshot of enemy positions. Projection nodes set at specific angles on the hand-held device, generate a vectored impulse capable of extracting objects from high-noise environments. Feedback from the pulse is filtered to reduce ambient clutter and pinpoint targets lacking IFF signals. the Active Scanner does not use sound. Well then they need to get their story strait. Or On board suit equipment could be using different tech. {:)}{3GÇó>
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 343	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:16:00 - [65] - Quote Oi, Aero, you flyin' a Nestor in that screenshot, boy? Amarr HAV Speculation
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 509	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:46:00 - [66] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. It can't possibly be a piece of equipment, but they said it could be fitted on other suits with extreme sacrifice. I think it is a weapon slot. It wouldn't make sense (given the logistics bonus) to be an equipment piece unless Logi bonus ignored the cloak. I think it will be a non-lethal scrambler rifle, where there is a charge up time and heat. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/ That dev blog says it's an equipment. The Dev Blog came out almost a year ago and the only as saw from that was active scanners. Where is the shield bubble? They could easily have changed their minds, especially considering the decision on logis and equipment bonus. I wish they would give it to the grenade slot, then only scouts get the bonus and I don't have to deal with the terribly cumbersome equipment wheel. Plus it would be easy to fire with L2. Seeing no negatives to putting it in the nade slot.
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4533	Posted - 2014.01.09 00:48:00 - [67] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Oi, Aero, you flyin' a Nestor in that screenshot, boy? Not my screenshot, it's jackbubu's It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 575	Posted - 2014.01.09 01:15:00 - [68] - Quote Does the Crystal Ball say anything about pilot suits yet? Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 27 Gêå2 1/1
Aero Yassavi Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4537	Posted - 2014.01.09 01:19:00 - [69] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Does the Crystal Ball say anything about pilot suits yet? CCP is taking their time with vehicles and it doesn't really seem like the current state of vehicles is where they want it yet, so I wouldn't expect them to throw pilot suits in their next update. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Kage Roth Wolf-Monkey Bastards 89	Posted - 2014.01.09 01:25:00 - [70] - Quote From what I read of the suit descriptions on Sisi firing your weapon will disrupt the cloak. From what the Caldari Scout says this will either cause it to cancel after a certain amount of time or drain some of the remaining time of the cloak. We can also tell from the Amarr scout bonus that there is a cooldown time. Setting aside the crystal ball, I really do hope the cloak is just visual and that Scout suits will still have to worry about radar and being scanned. This will make them have to choose between tank or speed mods and profile damps.

Llast 326 An Arkhos 1168	Posted - 2014.01.09 01:31:00 - [71] - Quote Kage Roth wrote: Setting aside the crystal ball, I really do hope the cloak is just visual and that Scout suits will still have to worry about radar and being scanned. This will make them have to choose between tank or speed mods and profile damps. That choice seems to be removedGÇª with no damp bonus (except for the Gal scout) and extremely limited slot layout the choice is essentially gone. KRRROOOOOOM
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1434	Posted - 2014.01.09 01:35:00 - [72] - Quote feels so weird being in Jita with no one else. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 11	Posted - 2014.01.09 01:36:00 - [73] - Quote you know I would like to say to wait and see how things are going to work as they seem to be making sweeping changes with this current future prediction but in the end i think Ive given up and am just expecting to get a swift kick in the junk yet again
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 337	Posted - 2014.01.09 01:44:00 - [74] - Quote Of course scouts will have to worry about being scanned still...other than Gallente, which will probably be my suit of choice if these end up manifesting in game. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 17	Posted - 2014.01.09 02:34:00 - [75] - Quote Excellent, I need to be further punished for picking Minmatar scout, it isn't nearly useless enough compared to Gallente.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5467	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:29:00 - [76] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Excellent, I need to be further punished for picking Minmatar scout, it isn't nearly useless enough compared to Gallente. YOU FIEND REMOTING ME WHILE I WAS DESTROYING YOUR TEAM.....epic Remote Kill though timed perfectly too my actives just ended...... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 450	Posted - 2014.01.09 03:45:00 - [77] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Just a random thought....if cloaks are equipment, does that mean the logi bonus applies? So logi's can effectively equip cloaks? And at the same time completely invalidate the scout role? Yup, this has been on the top of my mind ever since CCP said they were doing a scout fitting reduction months ago. Somewhere deep in these forums are jokes about invisible logis. My cloaked Amarr logi with 4 instaspawn uplinks sounds glorious. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?


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