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as for the utilitys.

on my gunni I have a pg mod and a basic light armor rep, it's nice cause it keeps the tank almost completely self sufficient all it needs is a supply depot.

the utility lows on a gunni aren't terrible admittedly a hit and run guerrilla warfare tank would be expected to have some gank to it and I find it odd that damage mods aren't low slot items. but it's fine for now.

All I know is I'mma be ridiculous if I have more things for utilities, very ridiculous and then I'll be the guy on the forums demanding a nerf. Oh and that delay isn't important? I **** you not I almost died because of that delay, Armor tank chasing me down I keep weaving in and out of hills at 300 armor and no hardeners. Still wasn't ok, the shields kept me from dying and then they disappeared again and I managed to get behind something in the redline.

Oh and it matters a shitton, IF YOU DON'T EXPERIENCE SOMETHING, YOU CANNOT HAVE A VALID OPINION ON IT. So go and fit an armor tank. And dude, running a Scanner, Hardener, Booster just for you, am not going to die, same as my other fits, I've got utilities :) And Ammo and an Armor Rep.

I've never had an experience where I dipped into my armor where I wasn't either 100% fine or dead. I never even wasted the points on depleted delay.

And I can see armor vehicles with more HP than me. Nitrous mods, and dmods. I know it can be done because people are doing it. If you Target a tank it will tell you if they have a dmod active.

Utility vs no utility.

I dunk on armor tanks as well because I'm better than them and in a squad. I also get dunked on when someone of equal skills finds me. That's not the issue.

The issue is armor vehicles have utility options while having the better tank. As in ehp.

And again this is NOT about just tanks. It's an imbalance across all 3 vehicle types.

But it has an effect on Tanks, which must not be hidden. Armor tanks have requirements in place that Shield tanks don't need, like the fact we don't need any reps, we can also get more ammo and armor tanking abilities in the low slots, which makes more eHP.

You cannot discount it, a Gunnlogi would be the only tank to use because it doesn't need reps, has better hardeners, has INSTANT health regeneration through boosters, can stick on an Armor Rep, can have double the ammo capacity, and now I can place a damage mod instead of ammo because my missiles didn't destroy maddies in a single clip fast enough.

I don't see any need to transfer current things over, I could see a use in nanofibres being brought back for lows, but nothing needs to be taken from highs to make lows better.

Ammo does not matter. It's never once been an issue for me once.

The fact that you keep bringing up armor in lows for gunnlogis just goes to show armor vehicles are better.

The only difference between shield mods and armor mods is boosters. In every other single aspect armor vehicles have the better end of the stick. Most of my gunnlogi fits don't fit boosters because i need a dmod to be competitive.

Utility vs no utility. Options vs no options.

I have armor reps in my lows because I'm not an idiot, and I have ammo there because I stay out on the field without supply depots and dont recall my vehicle and then bring it out again full of ammo. Armor seriously doesn't have the better end of the stick at all, We tank so much better, we survive AV so much easier. I feel bad for Armor Tanks because Shield Tanks are better a lot of ways.

Also you keep refering to things like Damage Mods, Scanners and injectors like they're the most important options in the game, like they're a massive need not a bonus. Each tank needs incentives to be used. And lol, damage mod to stay competitive.

You have options, you just don't like them. Maybe you spec'd the wrong tank, why aren't you driving a Madrugar?

how is more main HP, faster repairs, faster tank, free buffer hp, and options for your utility slots the short end of the stick?

And caldari because caldari strong.

i miss my heatsink modules where i could put out ridiculos dps befor overheat

i think a heat sink should have same fitting and bonus as damage mods.

30% reduction to heatcost.

and have same times and damge mod.

blaster maddy with heatsink/damage mod in highs = win

Sorry, but I agree with Pearson.

Aerial boosters are far less relevant than they once were, so not necessary. A hardener is necessary. MCRUs are useful, but not really game changing, considering the speed with which a DS can redeploy troops without need for inboard spawning.

A swarm isn't useful against a Gunnlogi, even in tank v tank. It gives at best a marginal increase to DPS. Forge guns are viable against both types.

You're right, they don't. Fit one - it's not hard, and you don't actually need to sacrifice anything. You don't actually need two hardeners; I only run it on my rail because everyone else does, and I need to. A nitrous is irrelevant in those encounters.

Armour tanks have higher base EHP, true, but he's arguing that it's negligible at best, which is true. Furthermore, that extra 20% resist means we have higher burst EHP, so when it matters, we're tougher.

You want a scanner? Fit one.

Damage mod + hardener + scanner, and you sacrifice nothing.

Assuming, of course, that you're actually using the scanner to outflank...


ALSO PEARSON. GET ONLINE. I NEED SOMEONE TO HELP ME FIGHT NYAIN TANKSTOMPS.

Good discussion, module slots really define vehicles roles.

Unfortunately that means that in practice either shield or armor tanks have no realistic access to one kind on supportive modules (scanners, damamods, extra ammo).


Probably you guys don't appreciate it but I still link here an idea on Vehicle Equipment slot layer (already locked thread)

Wait, wouldn't removing things in the highs slots technically mean we're nerfing armor vehicles?

Well considering half the maps have no supply depots a tank can get to the ammo caches might be useful. On my Maddy I have utility mods in the high slots, and on my Gunnlogi I have CPU and PG upgrade in low slots so I can fit a shield tank that makes all these butthurt AVers come to forums and quit.

Lol... I would support this thread if maddies didn't have the CPU issue they do. Gunnies have to have a draw back. Right now,they are faster( acceleration wise) more nimble( turning wise) and have no problem fitting whatever they want because they have the option of expanding their CPU or power grid. they also do not have to fit a repper because they have one built in sense nothing damages past their threshold with the exception of a forge gun or raiIturret. I drive both, its obvious you only drive the shield version of Tanks.

"E" For effort but "F" for gathering information

Wait, wouldn't removing things in the highs slots technically mean we're nerfing armor vehicles?