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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:07:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:CCP needs to lower the SP cost for the proposed vehicle changes in 1.7, as it stands right now vehicles in general with be massive SP sinks that offer very limited diversity of game play. Here is the 1.7 infantry vs vehicle math for you. Gallente Logi with max skills Core: 7,773,000 (Armor plate/repair/upgrades, electronics/engineering) Suit: 2,785,830 Weapon: 8,083,920 (Light weapon, handheld up, AR Op/Pro/Ammo/Reload/Sharpshooter/Fitting) Equipment: 3,731,040 (uplinks, nanotech, active scanner, repair tool) Total: 22,373,790 SP Here you have a wide diversity of play available and ammo is little concern because nanohives and supply depots both give ammo. Also the supply depot is large enough it provides cover while changing fittings and/or resupplying. If you want to change up your play style you can easily skill into different weapons. Gallente Incubus with max skills Core: 9,327,600 (Armor Up/Comp/Repair/Fitting, vehicle core/electronics/engineering, Engine Core/Grid Manage) Turret: 10,571,280 (Small Op, railgun op/ammo/reload/pro/fitting/heat dissipation, turret upgrades, damage amp fitting) Assault Dropship: 5,907,480 (Vehicle command, dropship op/assault/gallente assault) Total: 25,806,360 SP Here my play style is extremely limited as I only have 1 option, attack from above and using different turrets provides little difference (against good AV blasters are useless and missiles are good, railguns are supposed to be good vs vehicles in 1.7 but we will see). Also my ISK cost is likely that of a proto suit x2 or x3 depending on my fitting. CCP, this a an unreasonable SP cost for vehicles. On some maps a single forge gunner can deny me the entire map, thus preventing from playing. My 26M SP is now worthless. An infantry suit is far more adaptive and flexible both with weapons and function, the gallente logi suit can earn WP by scanning, repping, reviving, and putting down uplinks as well as killing other players with a multitude of different weapons. In my assault dropship I have only one real method of earning WP (killing) and I can easily shut out of a match be a few dedicated AV players. A single forge gunner on Line Harvest on the table top in the middle can cover every meaningful point on the map for an dropship. The dropship is a niche weapon, like the laser rifle. It is not good in all cases and therefore you want other options incase using it on a certain map is not a good idea. Having it cost this much SP with zero flexibility is like have a dedicated sniper with 26M SP and can do nothing else other than snipe.
How is 1suit with 1 possible loadout, 1weapon, 1 equipment layout, more diverse than 1 tank with 1 possible loadout? You also negated 3x Core skills(Scan profile, range, precision) Grenades and you used the cheapest light weapon.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:23:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Vell0cet wrote:The SP sinks make sense to me. This game is designed to be around for many years. At the current pace, people would exhaust their options too quickly. The idea is that you can't ever have everything (by design). Completely maxing out the vehicle tree should take years of SP. Look at EVE, the system works well. We currently have maxed hulls and turrets with the skill trees as they are right now. We're looking at a lot more for say, both tank hulls and all 3 turret types maxed out, and that's not even including the small turrets, just the large ones. Huge SP sink and in general, a huge disappointment. I just hope they give pilots a full respec of all skills so we could attempt to build up a tank that won't be destroyed by a STD mass driver.
Sorry but why do you need access to ALL 3 Heavy Turrets, ALL 3 Light Turrets and BOTH Tank Hulls? That's like saying in order to be effective on the field, I need access to ALL medium suits, ALL light weapons and ALL Equipment.
Have you considered that they might want you to go into 1 hull, maybe 2 heavy turrets, and maybe 2 light turrets!
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:33:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:I'm pretty concerned about the vehicle 'sp sink', I'm a 'newer' player to dust having been around for about 3 months... and to be honest I find the vehicle sp requirements to be quite honest absolutely ******* insane, there is a much higher investment cap to even get modules that my intended vehicles have intended bonuses for than a great number of infantry skills do!
Big heavy sp padded sinks that do nothing aren't fun, they aren't meaningful and they on the whole detract a great amount from anyones enjoyment of the game.
There aren't really anymore sinks in vehicles than suits, the trees are almost identical!
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:43:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:I'm pretty concerned about the vehicle 'sp sink', I'm a 'newer' player to dust having been around for about 3 months... and to be honest I find the vehicle sp requirements to be quite honest absolutely ******* insane, there is a much higher investment cap to even get modules that my intended vehicles have intended bonuses for than a great number of infantry skills do!
Big heavy sp padded sinks that do nothing aren't fun, they aren't meaningful and they on the whole detract a great amount from anyones enjoyment of the game. There aren't really anymore sinks in vehicles than suits, the trees are almost identical! I've been playing eve off and on for the better part of 7 years, and there are a ton of skillpoint sinks in dust that literally do nothing for you. I started this game because it was tied in with the eve universe that I know and love (being the proud owner of two accounts) - and due to circumstances haven't been able to enjoy as much because eve requires a lot of time thrown at it - and I have mostly stayed around for vehicles (and laser rifles). My main in eve can do eleventybajillion things really really well with not a huge amount of SP (for eve), and for roughly the same amount of sp in dust I might be able to do *two* things well. There are some rather glaringly large problems with that.
Perspective, you assume you have to max everything out! An omni soilder doesn't require much for 1 proto suit and all light weaponry at lvl1!
However there are skills which do NOTHING and instead of removing them I would like them to have small passive boosts!
Wise man say: Branch no need leaves to be useful, sometime branch lead to other branches
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:21:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Vell0cet wrote:The SP sinks make sense to me. This game is designed to be around for many years. At the current pace, people would exhaust their options too quickly. The idea is that you can't ever have everything (by design). Completely maxing out the vehicle tree should take years of SP. Look at EVE, the system works well. We currently have maxed hulls and turrets with the skill trees as they are right now. We're looking at a lot more for say, both tank hulls and all 3 turret types maxed out, and that's not even including the small turrets, just the large ones. Huge SP sink and in general, a huge disappointment. I just hope they give pilots a full respec of all skills so we could attempt to build up a tank that won't be destroyed by a STD mass driver. Sorry but why do you need access to ALL 3 Heavy Turrets, ALL 3 Light Turrets and BOTH Tank Hulls? That's like saying in order to be effective on the field, I need access to ALL medium suits, ALL light weapons and ALL Equipment. Have you considered that they might want you to go into 1 hull, maybe 2 heavy turrets, and maybe 2 light turrets! Yeah! I love it when I'm using my Laser, and the map is that underground one and everyone on the other team is a shotgunner! Makes it really easy to kill everyone! oh wait. one weapon is not suited to all situations. GTFO. It still takes me 14M to max out a Madrugar with proto large and small blasters.
Yeah, which is why you have a squad, for example if I were to join your squad and we were fighting down those hallways my Mass Driver would be perfect, but if we were to go out onto fractured road, or just to leave the research facility, my Mass Driver would be useless I wouldn't kill anyone, but you with your LASER would butcher people.
You can't expect as pilot to be able to adjust to every situation just by switching out. I don't do it with my suit, if I am running logi I can't swap out for another weapon when I feel like,because my team are expecting the benefits of my Mass Driver when they need it.
If I have swapped out because we have moved into a different theater I leave my squad open to a weakness!
so you GTFO
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:30:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Vell0cet wrote:The SP sinks make sense to me. This game is designed to be around for many years. At the current pace, people would exhaust their options too quickly. The idea is that you can't ever have everything (by design). Completely maxing out the vehicle tree should take years of SP. Look at EVE, the system works well. We currently have maxed hulls and turrets with the skill trees as they are right now. We're looking at a lot more for say, both tank hulls and all 3 turret types maxed out, and that's not even including the small turrets, just the large ones. Huge SP sink and in general, a huge disappointment. I just hope they give pilots a full respec of all skills so we could attempt to build up a tank that won't be destroyed by a STD mass driver. Sorry but why do you need access to ALL 3 Heavy Turrets, ALL 3 Light Turrets and BOTH Tank Hulls? That's like saying in order to be effective on the field, I need access to ALL medium suits, ALL light weapons and ALL Equipment. Have you considered that they might want you to go into 1 hull, maybe 2 heavy turrets, and maybe 2 light turrets! Do you only have one suit and one weapon? Why do you need access to all 3 suit classes, and say 2 basic PRO suits, and 1 assault and 1 logi? Why does anybody skill into any variation at all? Oh yeah, different tools for different jobs. Don't tell me how to be a tanker, and I won't tell you how to be infantry.
As matter of fact I run upto a max of 3 fits at the moment
1 mini Logi - Mass Driver - RE - Hive - Hive(to be replaced with shield bubble) - PE(to be replaced with turret) (Proto) 1 mini Assault - Mass Driver - Scrambler Pistol - RE (Adv) 1 Heavy - Forge Gun (MLT)
So really I have only skilled into 1 Race-Suit, only 1 light weapon, and 2 equipment Much like as if I had skilled into 1 Race-Hull, only 1 Heavy Turret, and 2 light turrets
I took the Mini Assault because I didn't want skill into vehicles in my main until the gunships are released.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:33:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:[quote=Spkr4theDead]
Sorry but why do you need access to ALL 3 Heavy Turrets, ALL 3 Light Turrets and BOTH Tank Hulls? That's like saying in order to be effective on the field, I need access to ALL medium suits, ALL light weapons and ALL Equipment.
Have you considered that they might want you to go into 1 hull, maybe 2 heavy turrets, and maybe 2 light turrets! Yeah! I love it when I'm using my Laser, and the map is that underground one and everyone on the other team is a shotgunner! Makes it really easy to kill everyone! oh wait. one weapon is not suited to all situations. GTFO. It still takes me 14M to max out a Madrugar with proto large and small blasters. Yeah, which is why you have a squad, for example if I were to join your squad and we were fighting down those hallways my Mass Driver would be perfect, but if we were to go out onto fractured road, or just to leave the research facility, my Mass Driver would be useless I wouldn't kill anyone, but you with your LASER would butcher people. You can't expect as pilot to be able to adjust to every situation just by switching out. I don't do it with my suit, if I am running logi I can't swap out for another weapon when I feel like,because my team are expecting the benefits of my Mass Driver when they need it. If I have swapped out because we have moved into a different theater I leave my squad open to a weakness! so you GTFO So the only weapon you have is a mass driver? Your own fault for such shortsightedness. As for me, I have different tanks for different jobs. It's not my fault you simply cannot understand that.
Heh heh I love it, you think it is shortsighted? Because I take a weapon, I take a role in my squad and I do it?
I rely on my squad to cover my short-comings, my squad relies on me to covers their's, we each have jobs we do, it's not my fault you simply cannot understand that.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:44:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
Heh heh I love it, you think it is shortsighted? Because I take a weapon, I take a role in my squad and I do it?
I rely on my squad to cover my short-comings, my squad relies on me to covers their's, we each have jobs we do, it's not my fault you simply cannot understand that.
No, shortsighted that you seem to be skilled into only one gun. You just want tankers to be nerfed even more by limited us to one turret type and one hull type. You don't have to worry about vehicles on Call of Duty.
You don't have to worry about anything on call of duty, like I said it's not short sighted that I have skilled into 1 gun, that gun fits my role. I don't NEED anymore than that weapon to be effective. Speccing into anything else is really just a waste of SP.
But of course, you don't understand that do you? As a tanker you need to be able to adapt to EVERY SINGLE SITUATION you might ever come across, you don't think perhaps you should specialize into one role and let someone else spec into another role?
Tell you what let's think about the long game here, when they start increasing the number of players a match, there will be more tanks on the field, there will be more tankers on the field. You won't need to cover all bases, you will be dispatched to the fights where you can help out the most.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:48:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:I find it funny. I have a month of mostly hardcore PC experience, and I never remember seeing you or your corp on the other side. Do you have any PC experience? If not, don't talk to me about roles and responsibilities in a squad. PC counts, ambush doesn't.
As a tanker, I have to take on the other team's tanks, forge guns on roofs, AV infantry on the ground, and the odd infantry with AV grenades, not to forget enemy orbitals, but thankfully I've never been the victim of an EVE strike. Counting it (hint: you can do it with one hand), I have to worry about 5 things. At all times, because AV can come from literally anywhere. I once had a red dot crash his dropship into the redline to kill me, then he tried to hack my tank.
When you have to worry about people with such a rabid hatred for something, then you can talk with any kind of authority.
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Guy's look at this, look he pulled the ReGuYuM argument, he has PC experience, he MUST be so much better than me! I must really be getting somewhere now!
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Yes I have PC experience, no I never believe I have had the pleasure of getting to kill your whiney **** in a match.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:58:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:oh look kids! a re.t.ard. (ooooh)yea, get a good look kids.
Spkr4thedead wrote:
Infantry just cannot accept that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. No, it has to be infantry weapons, that are each all more powerful than a turret. That's like saying a 40mm 203 round is more powerful than the main gun of an Abrams.
'nough said!
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:14:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: We currently have maxed hulls and turrets with the skill trees as they are right now. We're looking at a lot more for say, both tank hulls and all 3 turret types maxed out, and that's not even including the small turrets, just the large ones.
Huge SP sink and in general, a huge disappointment. I just hope they give pilots a full respec of all skills so we could attempt to build up a tank that won't be destroyed by a STD mass driver.
Sorry but why do you need access to ALL 3 Heavy Turrets, ALL 3 Light Turrets and BOTH Tank Hulls? That's like saying in order to be effective on the field, I need access to ALL medium suits, ALL light weapons and ALL Equipment. Have you considered that they might want you to go into 1 hull, maybe 2 heavy turrets, and maybe 2 light turrets! Yeah! I love it when I'm using my Laser, and the map is that underground one and everyone on the other team is a shotgunner! Makes it really easy to kill everyone! oh wait. one weapon is not suited to all situations. GTFO. It still takes me 14M to max out a Madrugar with proto large and small blasters. Yeah, which is why you have a squad, for example if I were to join your squad and we were fighting down those hallways my Mass Driver would be perfect, but if we were to go out onto fractured road, or just to leave the research facility, my Mass Driver would be useless I wouldn't kill anyone, but you with your LASER would butcher people. You can't expect as pilot to be able to adjust to every situation just by switching out. I don't do it with my suit, if I am running logi I can't swap out for another weapon when I feel like,because my team are expecting the benefits of my Mass Driver when they need it. If I have swapped out because we have moved into a different theater I leave my squad open to a weakness! so you GTFO For what it's worth, I have, aside from my tank fittings, which are optimised for a variety of purposes, several infantry fittings; among those is an Ishukone Forge gun fitting, a support logi fitting, an AssaultLogi fitting and an assault fitting. What you're saying is that tankers should have one fitting, even though you can have heaps. GTFO.
You can heaps of fittings but do you need them? Do you need one for every situation, right away, from the word go?
You can have heaps of fittings EVENTUALLY but really you should specialize first, surely?
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:18:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:I find it funny. I have a month of mostly hardcore PC experience, and I never remember seeing you or your corp on the other side. Do you have any PC experience? If not, don't talk to me about roles and responsibilities in a squad. PC counts, ambush doesn't.
As a tanker, I have to take on the other team's tanks, forge guns on roofs, AV infantry on the ground, and the odd infantry with AV grenades, not to forget enemy orbitals, but thankfully I've never been the victim of an EVE strike. Counting it (hint: you can do it with one hand), I have to worry about 5 things. At all times, because AV can come from literally anywhere. I once had a red dot crash his dropship into the redline to kill me, then he tried to hack my tank.
When you have to worry about people with such a rabid hatred for something, then you can talk with any kind of authority. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Guy's look at this, look he pulled the ReGuYuM argument, he has PC experience, he MUST be so much better than me! I must really be getting somewhere now! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes I have PC experience, no I never believe I have had the pleasure of getting to kill your whiney **** in a match. 5 things, that's all you have to worry about? As infantry: Redberries Blueberries my health my squad ownership of objectives Red Vehicles Traps Blue Vehicles Transport you have it easy my friend, you sit in your tank and kill infantry to your heart's content, good for you! *five things that cause me to lose 1M ISK+ or more inside 10s. Please describe to me an infantry fitting that is capable of the same thing.
The money argument?
Five things that cause me to loose 1M ISK in less than 10s? Nothing, I don't spawn back in time.
How many different weapons can kill your tank? + How many times you will actually loose a Tank per match?
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:35:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
The money argument?
Five things that cause me to loose 1M ISK in less than 10s? Nothing, I don't spawn back in time.
How many different weapons can kill your tank? + How many times you will actually loose a Tank per match?
Here we go, with the "how many weapons can kill your tank" argument. Probably everything, if the target vehicle is weak enough, except for the pistol and SMG. You forget the potency of AV weapons, probably because you don't use them. I know how powerful AV can be, because I'm on both sides of that coin.
Answer the second question then.
I'm not saying you CAN'T have a tank for every situation, but it should take a considerable amount of time. Don't forget tankers on average get a higher ISK and SP payout a match. So the sinks are going to be wider than infantry, and based on the stats previously it's not that bad by comparison.
Also many of your core skills should transfer to other tank fits, you EVENTUALLY earn.
As for passangers, yeah I understand, they can be absoulte ***holes, fortunately you will be able to remove turrets, and their respective seat from you tank. I would have prefered they provided a carrot method to incentivise having team mates in your tank with you, but that is by the by.
Yes if an armor tank has less than optimum HP I would expect a Missile Tanker to take care of him, I wouldn't necessarily expect a blaster tanker to disappear for 10 mins come back, blow it up, disappear for 10 mins, come back as blaster.
Especially if I was commanding forces, I want be able to go,
Spkr, we need HAV assistance over at C, go in and help clear out the enemy. What about that missile tank over E? Don't Worry I've got someone else on that, we have a missile tank specialist mobilizing now
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:50:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:[lolbrainfartderrrrrrrrrr] Dude.......................... I already have over 25mil SP. Who the hell are you to tell me I can't max out all my turret and vehicle skills?
Who am I tell you, who are you tell me? Why are we even arguing, we are both clearly WRONG as far as we are both concerned and you will just never be happy! I shall now continue to beat you with logic you are to childish to understand on your own thread!
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Posted - 2013.11.20 16:40:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: I'm not saying you CAN'T have a tank for every situation, but it should take a considerable amount of time. Don't forget tankers on average get a higher ISK and SP payout a match. So the sinks are going to be wider than infantry, and based on the stats previously it's not that bad by comparison.
High payouts compared to what? the 4 people fresh out of academy who don't manage to do anything all round? Because if you want to know who's *actually* getting the high payouts it sure as hell isn't tanks, its logi's - I can earn 200+ wps for picking up a dead heavy and repping him up to full hp with militia gear. Tanks don't get anything even comparable in terms of sp/isk payouts unless the whole enemy team refuses to use any av at all.
And as you see a logi suit has a lot of requirements just like the tank, standard infantry usually get paid 210,000 isk for a public anyway, what do tankers get, I'd hazard around 280,000 based on my tanking Alt!
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