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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:08:00 -
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Because people need to "Get Good".
That's why.
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1804
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:11:00 -
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Inb4 ****storm.
-Caldari Achura - One with the Universe
-Tac AR Specialist
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:12:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Inb4 ****storm. ???
What does this mean?
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1804
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:14:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Inb4 ****storm. ??? What does this mean?
That a lot of flame is going to happen in this thread.
MD is fine, anyway ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png)
-Caldari Achura - One with the Universe
-Tac AR Specialist
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
752
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:14:00 -
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k.
Remember, remember, the 30th of november
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
625
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:17:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Atiim wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Inb4 ****storm. ??? What does this mean? That a lot of flame is going to happen in this thread. MD is fine, anyway ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) Oh. Well if that's what it means, then 99% of my threads should say this. ![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1807
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:19:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Atiim wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:Inb4 ****storm. ??? What does this mean? That a lot of flame is going to happen in this thread. MD is fine, anyway ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) Oh. Well if that's what it means, then 99% of my threads should say this. ![Big smile](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
lol
However, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=inb4
-Caldari Achura - One with the Universe
-Tac AR Specialist
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1842
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:54:00 -
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They don't need to be good anymore just point and pull ![Cry](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png)
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
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Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
498
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:55:00 -
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The only thing that needs to done with MDs is a very slight reduced ROF.Other than that,they are fine.
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
753
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:56:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:The only thing that needs to done with MDs is a very slight reduced ROF.Other than that,they are fine.
Indeed. Just this morning I got raped by EC3 Assault MD and whoa. The rate of fire on that was incredible! Boom BOOMBOOMBOOM
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
632
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:59:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:The only thing that needs to done with MDs is a very slight reduced ROF.Other than that,they are fine.
Indeed. Just this morning I got raped by EC3 Assault MD and whoa. The rate of fire on that was incredible! Boom BOOMBOOMBOOM They are the Assualt variants. They have a high ROF but low damage
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Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
498
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:05:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Repe Susi wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:The only thing that needs to done with MDs is a very slight reduced ROF.Other than that,they are fine.
Indeed. Just this morning I got raped by EC3 Assault MD and whoa. The rate of fire on that was incredible! Boom BOOMBOOMBOOM They are the Assualt variants. They have a high ROF but low damage They still shoot way too fast.
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
60
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Repe Susi wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:The only thing that needs to done with MDs is a very slight reduced ROF.Other than that,they are fine.
Indeed. Just this morning I got raped by EC3 Assault MD and whoa. The rate of fire on that was incredible! Boom BOOMBOOMBOOM They are the Assualt variants. They have a high ROF but low damage there is a glitch where you can break the cap and shoot the MD really fast. thats probably what he was doing. |
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:15:00 -
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It's not an AR?
NERFITNERFITNERFIT...
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
60
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:25:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:They still shoot way too fast.
Assault MD's have an ROF of 75. That's one round every eighth of a second. Regular MD's have an ROF of 60, otherwise known as one per second.
Compare to the 12.5 per second of the AR. Considering that the AMDs have a large blast radius, but lowered blast damage which roughly equates to even lower DPS. Aside from the glitch (which is a glitch, ie, not working as intended!) all Mass Drivers are out DPS'd by AR's of all stripes by more than a little.
People can say that they're easy to use, but the simple fact is that they have an advantage/disadvantage depending entirely on the terrain that makes them easy/nightmarishly difficult to use. Go find an MD user and stand below them: you will likely get horribly blown to pieces. Now go get elevation on an MD user: you will more than likely tear them apart as they fail to land a round anywhere.
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
60
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:26:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:It's not an AR? NERFITNERFITNERFIT...![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) lol, attims basic opinion. he wants everything nerfed except the AR. just look at all of his threads, the only things he wants nerfed are the things that threat AR users. he doesnt seem to care at all for the people who dont want AR 514 . i feel bad for him, i wish he wasnt so transparent... |
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Code Slucid
Geisha Girls
50
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:30:00 -
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I'm only using MD cause I can't use AR anymore ;_; It not the same as it used 2 be& I have no problem using the MD I just hope the gun mechanic was like before :/ cause I can't use it how it is right now![Ugh](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_ugh.png) |
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1852
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:30:00 -
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I always shake my head when I sit back at range and use the MD as a mortar tube. When 5 or 6 people are bunched up at a corner firing perpendicular to me while I'm at their flank I'll just start pumping rounds over there and most of the time they won't move. I'll reload and fire the second magazine of rounds and get at least 3 or 4 of them.
I'm certain they immediately complain about MDs when the kill feed shows 3 or 4 kills from the MD.
It's the same as the laser rifle. People don't want to be denied that corner or that area so they continue to pop their heads out. And bam or zap, they are dead.
There are certainly times when the MD seems OP and it almost feels embarrassingly easy, but it's drawbacks are well documented. The MD went through a period when EVERYONE was using it, people were calling for nerfs like crazy. I said it then and I'll say it now, it's not a weapon that most people want to use longterm because of it's drawbacks and I was right. They are still a niche weapon. |
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1315
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:38:00 -
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LOL after going against the same dudes in multiple ambushes yesterday I finally got a QQ message, it said:
"Try playing with skill you noob".
And I replied:
"I can do that too".
Anyways, "indoors" its just amazingly effective. At least with a 863 HP dual tanked logi suit with 2 damage mods, a proto scanner, a proto hive and a compact hive for emergency repairs. I was on top of the list every round with very few if any deaths, and thats while being in squad with several players that normally get more kills than I do.
Conclusion: OP? I'd say meh, a slight blast radius nerf coupled with less "aim dispersion for the dude being hit" would be fine IMO. EZ-mode? Oh yes, very much so.
The only real drawback being its situational nature, it can still be very effective out in the open with some good aiming, but hardly without some LOS weapon support.
Besides, do you really want me to loose all that isk and drop my KDR just because I sometimes play too drunk for proper aiming????
- I'll make a MD vid hopefully before Xmas, (not that I think you care) and my goal is to show what it can do long range, out in the open when used by skilled hands. Do you know how difficult it is to hit someone on top of a roof or a pipe? Well, I honestly think I have some kind of special talent.... ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
Go to about 1.30 (or watch the vid, its not bad), there you can see me fireing a long range shot which OHK that dude, I even stop shooting after that single round, confident it would hit. While this dude stands still, I had multiple kills like that at even greater ranges against moving targets and snipers on rooftops and such. In a way, one must "feel" the MD long range, aiming is meh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo
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Vin Mora
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
172
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:43:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:The only thing that needs to done with MDs is a very slight reduced ROF.Other than that,they are fine.
No, they need a reduction to splash radius and normalized damage.
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
61
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:46:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:The only thing that needs to done with MDs is a very slight reduced ROF.Other than that,they are fine.
No, they need a reduction to splash radius and normalized damage. higher ROF and lower splash radius would be good in my opinion, you would see some very horrible MD users and some very good MD users. |
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
633
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:47:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:It's not an AR? NERFITNERFITNERFIT...![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) lol, attims basic opinion. he wants everything nerfed except the AR. just look at all of his threads, the only things he wants nerfed are the things that threat AR users. he doesnt seem to care at all for the people who dont want AR 514 ![Sad](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_sad.png) . i feel bad for him, i wish he wasnt so transparent... Are you joking?
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Grenadier 514
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1720
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:50:00 -
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When people complain about my use of the Mass Driver I switch to Assault Rifle and kill them faster. I rarely use the AR anymore because it's easy mode and boring. The Mass Driver is balanced just fine now. Its weaker than just about every other weapon except for Flaylock which is where most would prefer to see the MD. |
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1853
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:54:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:LOL after going against the same dudes in multiple ambushes yesterday I finally got a QQ message, it said: "Try playing with skill you noob". And I replied: "I can do that too". Anyways, "indoors" its just amazingly effective. At least with a 863 HP dual tanked logi suit with 2 damage mods, a proto scanner, a proto hive and a compact hive for emergency repairs. I was on top of the list every round with very few if any deaths, and thats while being in squad with several players that normally get more kills than I do. Conclusion: OP? I'd say meh, a slight blast radius nerf coupled with less "aim dispersion for the dude being hit" would be fine IMO. EZ-mode? Oh yes, very much so. The only real drawback being its situational nature, it can still be very effective out in the open with some good aiming, but hardly without some LOS weapon support. Besides, do you really want me to loose all that isk and drop my KDR just because I sometimes play too drunk for proper aiming???? - I'll make a MD vid hopefully before Xmas, (not that I think you care) and my goal is to show what it can do long range, out in the open when used by skilled hands. Do you know how difficult it is to hit someone on top of a roof or a pipe? Well, I honestly think I have some kind of special talent.... ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) Go to about 1.30 (or watch the vid, its not bad), there you can see me fireing a long range shot which OHK that dude, I even stop shooting after that single round, confident it would hit. While this dude stands still, I had multiple kills like that at even greater ranges against moving targets and snipers on rooftops and such. In a way, one must "feel" the MD long range, aiming is meh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLO3Ijedgo
There's no doubt it can be done, but there are dudes that are good with the plasma cannon. I'll never deny that the MD can be very easy and I agree with some of the nerfs that you mentioned.
If they did nerf the splash radius (which I very much agree with as much as for my own sake in CQC) I wish that it would get a portion of the smoke back on the target. If they did this I wouldn't even mind if the damage was nerfed a bit as well. I use the weapon (assault variants) in conjunction with a SMG so I use it to deny and to clean up. |
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
116
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:17:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:It's not an AR? NERFITNERFITNERFIT...![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) lol, attims basic opinion. he wants everything nerfed except the AR. just look at all of his threads, the only things he wants nerfed are the things that threat AR users. he doesnt seem to care at all for the people who dont want AR 514 ![Sad](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_sad.png) . i feel bad for him, i wish he wasnt so transparent...
Lmfao... I guess you can't AA sarcasm in order to understand it.
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:39:00 -
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No really its not not. |
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CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
453
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:48:00 -
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assault md having low damage?.
thats a lie.
because it gets good damage when combined with damage mods and proficiency maxed.
somewhat like the laser now.
only a bit better. in cqc.
i will always think the md fires to fast to be a grenade launcher.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
1157
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Because people need to "Get Good".
That's why. Please don't
"Please don't"
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1852
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:51:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:assault md having low damage?.
thats a lie.
because it gets good damage when combined with damage mods and proficiency maxed.
somewhat like the laser now.
only a bit better. in cqc.
i will always think the md fires to fast to be a grenade launcher.
Damage mods have nothing to do with how good a weapon is, just how much of a ***** you are.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
Tryhard Veteran
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Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2013.11.05 20:47:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:They still shoot way too fast. Assault MD's have an ROF of 75. That's one round every eighth of a second. Regular MD's have an ROF of 60, otherwise known as one per second. Compare to the 12.5 per second of the AR. Considering that the AMDs have a large blast radius, but lowered blast damage which roughly equates to even lower DPS. Aside from the glitch (which is a glitch, ie, not working as intended!) all Mass Drivers are out DPS'd by AR's of all stripes by more than a little. People can say that they're easy to use, but the simple fact is that they have an advantage/disadvantage depending entirely on the terrain that makes them easy/nightmarishly difficult to use. Go find an MD user and stand below them: you will likely get horribly blown to pieces. Now go get elevation on an MD user: you will more than likely tear them apart as they fail to land a round anywhere. Stop crying for nerfs at the drop of a hat.
You just summed up my feelings pretty accurately there. I don't feel the MD is OP or anysuch, but like the laser rifle, I hate any weapon that keeps me pinned down so I can neither fight respectably or flee. ![P](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png) |
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