DUST Search - [Request] pre-Chromosome camera sights for base scrambler rifle

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Because they are different. They're made by different races, with different technology, and behave differently. I see no reason why they need to be the same in this aspect either. That's just as silly as asking "Why should Scrambler Rifle have overheat unlike the rest of the AR-type rifles?", or "Why should Combat Rifle have a completely different fire mode (burst) than the rest of the AR-type rifles?".

1. Funny you should mention that. I think all AR-type rifles should have some measure of heat production.
2. I also don't know why it has a completely different fire mode. Seems silly to me.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

I don't know if you noticed, but have the AR-style weapons are already have different scopes than the others. The AR has no optical sight or scope, and SCR just has a reflex sight, its only the combat and rail rifle that seem to have the same sort of sight.

1. All of the Assault variants have iron sights, not just the GAR.
2. The Tactical and Burst GAR do have scopes.
3. I agree, the ScR shouldn't have just a reflex sight. It's Tactical and should have a decent scope.

In short, the type of sights an AR-type rifle has depends on the variant, for the most part.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

Because having options and variety is good. Gives players who prefer one kind of sight have a rifle option that suits them.

Correct, having options is good. Solution: add weapon customization. That way we can have any sights we want.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6708	Posted - 2013.10.26 22:33:00 - [1] - Quote Combat rifle will have a scope, rail rifle will have a scope, the tactical AR has a scope, and the burst AR has a scope. The scrambler rifle will have higher range than all of these guns except for the rail rifle (rail and scrambler will have the same optimal range, but rail will have higher effective range). Despite beating or matching these guns in range, the scrambler rifle only has a dot sight, why? Doesn't seem to fit IMO. Also, we're going to have 4 "racial ARs", each with their own variants, can't one gun have the pre-chromosome camera-sights? I know I'm not the only one that misses them. I propose that gun should be the scrambler rifle; it needs a better sight anyway. Should only be for the base variant, the assault variant should keep the dot sight. Range info here Camera sight here: should look more gold and ornate since scrambler rifles are Amarr.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4274	Posted - 2013.10.26 22:35:00 - [2] - Quote I miss those sights.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3762	Posted - 2013.10.26 22:40:00 - [3] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Combat rifle will have a scope, rail rifle will have a scope, the tactical AR has a scope, and the burst AR has a scope. The scrambler rifle will have higher range than all of these guns except for the rail rifle (rail and scrambler will have the same optimal range, but rail will have higher effective range). Despite beating or matching these guns in range, the scrambler rifle only has a dot sight, why? Doesn't seem to fit IMO. Also, we're going to have 4 "racial ARs", each with their own variants, can't one gun have the pre-chromosome camera-sights? I know I'm not the only one that misses them. I propose that gun should be the scrambler rifle; it needs a better sight anyway. Should only be for the base variant, the assault variant should keep the dot sight. Range info here Camera sight here: should look more gold and ornate since scrambler rifles are Amarr. See, I really liked the earlier version of that same sight where the gun was visible as well, and I think all the races should have those sights back instead of the "ACOGs" and ironsights we have now. Think about it. Ironsights take up a large portion of your screen and thus inhibit your situational awareness. Conversely, you could get a completely unobstructed via from the weapon, with just enough of the weapon visible that it still feels "connected" and you don't have any complaints of "not feeling immersed when in ADS" that led to ironsights being brought in in the first place. Obviously a higher magnification scope wouldn't show the gun, and would effectively look exactly like what Wolf linked in his post. I think sights like that one and the one I described from the second build of Dust - Replication - fit far better with the theme of this game, and never should have been done away with in the first place. I'd like to see those come back at some point. I think most of the community would be perfectly happy with better sights for their weapons even if a small number might complain for a little while before appreciating their greater utility and adapting. To summarize, I'd like "camera-scopes" to come back for ALL weapons.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 344	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:07:00 - [4] - Quote To me its funny that there are even ironsights in this game. Today we have all sorts of sights and some very advances sights that link to a camera and monitor. In helicopters we even have sights that just track your eyes and keep the crosshairs right on what your looking at. So why in such a futuristic game are we stuck with such stone age sights? why is it we can't have sights as something right on the hud?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6764	Posted - 2013.10.28 01:09:00 - [5] - Quote I want!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6778	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:00:00 - [6] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I want! What he said *Supreme emperor god-king KAGEHOSHI, lord of the threads, keeper of the likes.*
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 942	Posted - 2013.10.28 18:35:00 - [7] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: To me its funny that there are even ironsights in this game. Today we have all sorts of sights and some very advances sights that link to a camera and monitor. In helicopters we even have sights that just track your eyes and keep the crosshairs right on what your looking at. So why in such a futuristic game are we stuck with such stone age sights? why is it we can't have sights as something right on the hud? This. Anyway, to answer the OP, I joined DUST in Uprising 1.0, so I don't know how it used to be. But what I can tell you is that I love semi-auto single shot weapons and I love ACOG scopes. The main reason why I prefer the Tac AR to the Scrambler is the scope (the other reason is the "calssic" feel of the weapon, the sound and the recoil, I don't like the laser tech too much). It's just personal preference, some feel "claustrophobic" with the massive ACOG style scope, but that's exactly my cup of tea. I'd like SO MUCH if we could choose between 2 sights variants per weapon, not because it's the trend, because it's damn useful and let people get their own feel with every single weapon. For these reason I think I will absolute love the Rail Rifle and I'm probably going proto with it on Day1... too bad it's full auto. I mean, the only single shot "classic" projectile-blaster assault rifle we have in the whole game it's the Tac AR, I wish there were a Combat and a Rail version as well... I can't stand that if you want a tactical rifle you are forced to use the Scrambler. EDIT: I looked at the pick and it looks pretty sick! Wow.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 319	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:20:00 - [8] - Quote I must disagree with OP because I love the red dot and I am an exclusive SR user. BUT What if instead of standardizing the sights on the SR to change it into camera view they should add it as an option. (perhaps linked to gun customization?) For the SR example: Sight still stays as the red dot (which is perfect for Mid to Long range combat IMO) but by holding down R1 and Clicking down R3 you toggle the camera feed view which would be used to augment pure long range engagements. That way I can keep the immersion of using a sight on a weapon and also have the option to use camera view for specific situations. Thats my 2 cents. +1 on idea tho
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6851	Posted - 2013.10.31 21:30:00 - [9] - Quote I want! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6927	Posted - 2013.11.06 17:31:00 - [10] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I want! What he said Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads Gû¦Gû+

Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 266	Posted - 2013.11.06 17:38:00 - [11] - Quote DO WANT +1 SHUT UP TAKE MY MONEY
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6984	Posted - 2013.11.09 18:16:00 - [12] - Quote I want still Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
The-Errorist 348	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:00:00 - [13] - Quote +1000
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7256	Posted - 2013.11.28 22:10:00 - [14] - Quote Still want Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 173	Posted - 2013.11.28 22:49:00 - [15] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: So why in such a futuristic game are we stuck with such stone age sights? Stone Age sights. Just thought that phrase was funny.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7500	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:49:00 - [16] - Quote I miss them Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7593	Posted - 2013.12.23 11:54:00 - [17] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I miss them What he said Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Exodeon Salviej the third day Public Disorder. 8	Posted - 2013.12.23 12:46:00 - [18] - Quote Lol, I have been around a while, but not that long. I love to have that option between Dot-Sight, and Camera Feed. +10 for this, reason being is because I find myself having difficulty shooting people at long distance because they're so damn small on the dot-sight with the SR. That's like trying to no-scope with a sniper rifle on this game, and majority know that only works on CoD. Your face is something to shoot, so I will shoot. Don't be offended, I do it to everyone.
The-Errorist Closed For Business For All Mankind 412	Posted - 2013.12.23 21:41:00 - [19] - Quote It makes sense to have it for the SCR.
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 53	Posted - 2013.12.23 22:08:00 - [20] - Quote Why don't we have weapon customization? Why force us into one weapon configuration type per weapon? Isn't this the game that is supposed to be all about skill / gear customization? We need a fully featured upgrade system. Weapon variants should be just that, the base variant of the weapon. Let us customize the sights, the magazine size, the semi/select/fully auto fire modes, the weapon handling furniture (foregrips, grips, etc), lasers, flashlights, etc. This is what I would prefer +1 But the Camera sight is still an awesome option.

Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 873	Posted - 2013.12.23 22:36:00 - [21] - Quote No, I don't think this is a good idea. Why should Scrambler Rifle have a completely different scope than the rest of the AR-type rifles? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7620	Posted - 2013.12.23 22:52:00 - [22] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: No, I don't think this is a good idea. Why should Scrambler Rifle have a completely different scope than the rest of the AR-type rifles? Because they are different. They're made by different races, with different technoly, and behave differently. I see no reason why they need to be the same in this aspect either. That's just as silly as asking "Why should Scrambler Rifle have overheat unlike the rest of the AR-type rifles?", or "Why should Combat Rifle have a completely different fire mode (burst) than the rest of the AR-type rifles?". I don't know if you noticed, but have the AR-style weapons are already have different scopes than the others. The AR has no optical sight or scope, and SCR just has a reflex sight, its only the combat and rail rifle that seem to have the same sort of sight. Because having options and variety is good. Gives players who prefer one kind of sight have a rifle option that suits them. So I don't think your reasoning is an acceptable reason for denial. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 873	Posted - 2013.12.23 22:59:00 - [23] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Because they are different. They're made by different races, with different technology, and behave differently. I see no reason why they need to be the same in this aspect either. That's just as silly as asking "Why should Scrambler Rifle have overheat unlike the rest of the AR-type rifles?", or "Why should Combat Rifle have a completely different fire mode (burst) than the rest of the AR-type rifles?". 1. Funny you should mention that. I think all AR-type rifles should have some measure of heat production. 2. I also don't know why it has a completely different fire mode. Seems silly to me. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I don't know if you noticed, but have the AR-style weapons are already have different scopes than the others. The AR has no optical sight or scope, and SCR just has a reflex sight, its only the combat and rail rifle that seem to have the same sort of sight. 1. All of the Assault variants have iron sights, not just the GAR. 2. The Tactical and Burst GAR do have scopes. 3. I agree, the ScR shouldn't have just a reflex sight. It's Tactical and should have a decent scope. In short, the type of sights an AR-type rifle has depends on the variant, for the most part. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Because having options and variety is good. Gives players who prefer one kind of sight have a rifle option that suits them. Correct, having options is good. Solution: add weapon customization. That way we can have any sights we want. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7621	Posted - 2013.12.23 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Because they are different. They're made by different races, with different technology, and behave differently. I see no reason why they need to be the same in this aspect either. That's just as silly as asking "Why should Scrambler Rifle have overheat unlike the rest of the AR-type rifles?", or "Why should Combat Rifle have a completely different fire mode (burst) than the rest of the AR-type rifles?". 1. Funny you should mention that. I think all AR-type rifles should have some measure of heat production. 2. I also don't know why it has a completely different fire mode. Seems silly to me. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I don't know if you noticed, but have the AR-style weapons are already have different scopes than the others. The AR has no optical sight or scope, and SCR just has a reflex sight, its only the combat and rail rifle that seem to have the same sort of sight. 1. All of the Assault variants have iron sights, not just the GAR. 2. The Tactical and Burst GAR do have scopes. 3. I agree, the ScR shouldn't have just a reflex sight. It's Tactical and should have a decent scope. In short, the type of sights an AR-type rifle has depends on the variant, for the most part. KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Because having options and variety is good. Gives players who prefer one kind of sight have a rifle option that suits them. Correct, having options is good. Solution: add weapon customization. That way we can have any sights we want. Correction, not at assault variants have ironsights. The assault scrambler rifle has an reflex sight. Yes some AR variants have scopes, but I was talking about the base variant. Obviously we don't have weapon customization, and we won't have any for probably a very long time, so I would rather not homogenize things, at least not now. I would rather have all AR-style weapons have their own unique balancing measures instead of needlessly forcing overheat on them. The completely different fire modes is intentional on CCP's part. I will explain the design to you. Each rifle has their own unique firing mode based on their unique racial style. On top of that, they try to make variants to mimic each other's rifles, like the assault combat rifle is an attempt by the Minmatar to copy the AR and put their own flavor on it, and likewise the burst AR is an attempt by the Gallente to copy the CR and put their own flavor on it (hopefully AR variants will be rebalanced, because they suck right now). The base rail rifle is a "breach", slow firing automatic. Also gets an assault variant to mimic assault rifle. So rail rifle is missing tactical, and burst. They will come in the future. The base combat rifle is an "burst", fires in 3 round bursts. Also gets an assault variant to mimic assault rifle. So rail rifle is missing tactical, and breach. They will come in the future. The base scrambler rifle is a "tactical", fires single fire long range. Also gets an assault variant to mimic assault rifle. So rail rifle is missing burst, and breach. They will come in the future. The base assault rifle is a "assault", fires in fast automatic fire. Also gets a breach variant to mimic rail rifle. Also gets a burst variant to mimic combat rifle. Also gets a tactical variant to mimic scramber rifle. I find the idea of each race having different type of base variants pretty fun and interesting, and makes them feel much more unique than giving each race basically an automatic AR variant with the same scope. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7691	Posted - 2013.12.30 23:07:00 - [25] - Quote Still want Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7566	Posted - 2014.01.06 23:14:00 - [26] - Quote I miss those sights. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7995	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:32:00 - [27] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I miss those sights. Me too Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10271	Posted - 2014.04.04 05:12:00 - [28] - Quote Still want Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 789	Posted - 2014.04.04 16:36:00 - [29] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Still want I think the answer is a pretty clear "no," considering this has been around since last October. >> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! <<


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