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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.10.18 02:54:00 -
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I was just reading on EVE forums about someone wanting to make EVE free to play. A comment by I Sellsstuffz said and I quote...
Quote: If eve goes F2P ill likely quit. Seriously the way it is now keeps most of the rabble out, going F2P would just increase the level of stupidity to unbearable levels,
Thats just my $0.02
And I agree with this statement with my interactions with some folks of the community. No I'm not a saint but sometimes I do wonder if the console community is what pushes some players away from the game or withholds the game from becoming greater than what it is now. That some of the wants are essentially immediate gain instead of long term gain.
Of course, its too early to consider but its been nagging at my mind as of late. From ranting discussions about blueberries who aren't team oriented or strategically inclined to optimize their on field performance.
Now I know this might have been discussed before but I just want to touch back on it and see how the community responds to it.
I love Dust. It has its drawbacks but to me, the overall experience nullifies those drawbacks instantly. If I were to ever leave New Eden, it wouldn't be for good. It would be just to take a break and come back. But I have talked to some folks who said they don't want to revisit New Eden because the constant whining of the community detracts from their enjoyable experience.
The hard line is respected in EVE but in Dust 514, it does not.
Now this isn't a "I'm pointing my finger at you" type of thread. I just wanted to get a discussion going. Is the F2P model hurting Dust? Does F2P inevitably opens it doors to riff raff aka trollers and short term gamers? If it were subscription based, what would be the difference?
Express yourself and lets hear what you have to say |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.10.18 02:59:00 -
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Scotty-the-Matchmaking AI wrote:Some of the people i meet make me want to blow the planet up and kill every human.
LOL!!! I just spit out my drink!!! |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:22:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Sure everyone can afford to play dust since it is free to play. So natural there will be a lot of people which means a lot of ego's and a lot of idea's. Unfortunately this also means a lot of stupid people as well. Free to play games however have been very profitable when done well. I can't remember many right now but there have been several pay to play games that have gone FTP and there are many games that came out as FTP and are profitable. So really going FTP should allow the company to spend more resources on the game to make it even better. They just have to filter through the idea's and realize which ones are good and which ones are best ignored.
It's profitable due to some of the community who is dedicated (the pack buyers and such) while the majority of the community gripes and complains about everything they can get their hands on. From this perspective, it seems like 60 percent complains while 40 percent are dedicated.
So can we say that FTP is being benefited by those who aren't dedicated but those dedicated are, in a sense, exploited by the majority of the community who brings unnecessary complaints which effect the game? The dedicated will support while the others will just bring about their shenanigans for kicks. Due to this, doesn't that affect how the developer can respond to players?
Someone paying me money to correct something, I'm right on it. Some work I do for "free", I'm not that excited to work for. Especially if they're complaining every step of the way.
BTW, I miss the merc pack. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:25:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:Sounds an awful lot like elitist scum talk here... may need to taze you bro. *starts humming the national anthem of twinkyland* AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Attack!
And this is an example right here by this post. He responds to the superficial instead of reading my whole post. How can he claimed to have read my post when he responds superficially to it?
I'm looking for an intellectual discussion here. I didn't know I had to wave a banner that says "Hey, I'm not trying to change it to P2P but does the F2P model affect the overall growing persistence of this game"
I thought you would have figured that out yourself...
It's a broad scope I'm talking here |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:38:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:I would support making Dust514 P2P, if development was dramatically sped up. I would want to see immediate results from the game becoming P2P. most players i know have aurum items, so i dont see why those people wouldnt throw in some money to keep playing.
maybe we could adopt the EVE way, something related to buying subscription time with ingame currency? we could throw 10m isk a week/month into membership. no new player will gain 10m, but after a month or two, they will be getting close.
thoughts?
I'm not an advocate for it but if it means dedicated development and a filtration of the community, I'm all for it.
It's my theory that the majority of the community harms the development of this game. For instance, a thread was created on where should Dust go next. Should it be core or content? It got me thinking, they've been working on the core for some time. Has the community been at fault for leading CCP down dead end roads because CCP wants to maintain a player base?
If you're paying, you are caring about your investment.
Even reading the EVE forums, the attitude and demeanor over there is much different. Yes, they do have their trolls and some foolishness like every other forum. But the majority of the community there is dedicated. They want the game to continue its growth.
These are just some of the thoughts I've been pushing around in my head. The ups and downs of F2P...
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:54:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:That's total BS. Dust is not an MMO RPG. You only communicate with your corp and only if you want to. Last I checked ppl mostly keep quiet in pubs. So F2P does not push you toward fraternizing with ex-convicts. Also, somehow I don't think that $10 a month is a solid barrier against idiots in video games.
F2P is a curse though for an entirely different reason. F2P means a cheaply made game that sets low expectations and never generates enough revenue to accomplish anything worthwhile.
But we are not talking about what qualifies the game as a F2P. So basically you saying that this game was doomed from the start. That's the point I'm making as well. If it was P2P, your sentiments would have been expressed differently. Or you just wouldn't be here, which would leave the dedicated helping to mold the game that both developer and gamer wants in existence.
If the game is "cheaply made" and "setting low expectations", then why do you choose to come to these forums or fight in New Eden? What is your purpose if you play this game begrudgingly? Don't your words effect the enthusiasm of newcomers and members of the community? These are things I consider when I think about how P2P/F2P with Dust.
LOL @ ex convicts? Uh what? |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:57:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Do you feel Dust is good enough at the moment to be retail price?
Honestly, I've played David Cage games that are shorter than Dust. Yes I would pay retail price for this game. I rather enjoy immensely. My fiance (love her for her understanding) knows just how much because she sees me right in front of that TV screen with KBM and DS3 playing Dust almost daily. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:59:00 -
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First Prophet wrote: Well there's your problem.
LOL I don't see one. I like to game. I'm not specifically tied to one genre or mainstream gaming. If I like it and I feel its worth it, I will pay for the experience
ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:
I think you took my super serious post too seriously brah... like serious n' stuffGäó
Well I can be a serious guy. Especially when I like to have discussions on different topics.
Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Yes and yes. I have discovered what ppl from EVE were claiming. The console community is a generally lower quality player base. Yes to moving this to the PC.
Free to play adds to the lol factor of this game. No investment means no responsibility which means no respect. Ppl just troll the game and in turn ppl like me that would otherwise take the game more seriously just say F it and dabble with it for general enjoyment. Having to pay a monthly fee would keep out the rabble (usually the young ppl that need daddy's credit card to play).
Oh well, whatcha gonna do? They warned us PC folk about the fast twitch FPS GTA morons. I stay because I like the world and backstory CCP has created and I like ground warfare. I esp like sci-fi based ground warfare.
You've already got ppl tearing this game down to a pissing contest about kd/r and usefulness judged on just hacking a stupid objective. This game was supposed to be more than that and the EVE connection was supposed to do that. If CCP were truthful those promotional cgi videos would be vastly different. Seriously, do you see any hacking going on in those videos?
I agree with some things of your post. For starters, I wouldn't want it to go PC because I'm not a PC gamer. I have always been drawn to console gaming since my youth. Also about the promotional videos, its concept. Its not uncommon nor odd that developers create "a vision" of what they would like to bring. The execution always stray from that as reality of what can be done and how it can be brought to the console platform changes over time.
But I agree with everything else. F2P just brings about the troll creatures, it seems. I wouldn't mind paying subscription because I know how console gamers are and also paid subscriptions automatically help fund the project. Not only that but its a monetary symbol that the gamer wants to be a part of the experience. Not just some gamer who enters the game because its free to play and seeks to disrupt the experience of others. The majority of console gamers seem to have this mentality that the developers should submit to their demands and if not, its ultimate death for the team, for lack of better terms. (I.E. The community's take on CCP Shanghai post in this forum) We can police the developers but we cannot police ourselves?
I remember playing Atari and getting my butt whooped because the game cheated me often. Did we cry about it back then? No, we sought ways to beat the developers' pixelated hell. Nowadays, games have gotten easier with hand holding and such. Gamers were praising Demon's Souls for its difficulty as if it was the first to do it. Yet games were like that, before internet gave the power of anonymity to gamers who spat venom from their keyboards with their threatening petitions all because they refused to adapt and overcome.
Even with Dust 514, people complained about the difficulty of this universe, especially for the new players. Oddly enough, its difficulty and "no holds barred" type aspect is what attracted me to it, along with the science fiction lore. Me getting my butt whooped in New Eden was a bitter taste. But I wasn't going to let it "beat" me, so the grind began as I learned from my mistakes and still seek to improve. Why can't the gamer be challenged?
My fault for going off on a tangent. I just can't help but take a step back and wonder at the possibilities of P2P and the conduct of the community at times. I know EVE is different for so many reasons but I would like to see more dedication from the community like EVE players are with EVE. Less whining and more cohesive, constructive and objective opinions. And it makes me wonder often, if it was P2P, would that be easier realized?
All in all, thanks to all who responded and offered their input on this topic
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:25:00 -
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Summ Dude wrote:I think that this video kinda says a lot about the subject. But on the topic of being P2P keeping out 'the riff-raff', just look at CoD on the 360. It costs $60+ upfront plus that Xbox live monthly subscription. And does any of that really help to keep the community not dickish?
yes I think it would still. That's COD. This is Dust 514. Gamers won't make that gamble. Xbox charges you for MP access in it's entirety. A monthly sub for access to one game's MP is another story actually. Especially when you factor in the glaring differences in detail when you hold those two in comparison. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2013.10.20 01:18:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote: I would think that the people on the forums make up the minority of the people who play the game. So stating how bad the community is based on what goes on in the forums may not be the strongest base to stand on.
Point taken. Though I do understand it raises the barrier, in fact, that's what I was thinking about and how it could possibly be a plus for the game. It could have good and bad points. I didn't quote overall what you posted but I did like what you posted. You have a solid opinion. Thanks for commenting. |
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