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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:00:00 -
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We don't need this candy handout bullcrap and it doesn't directly help the team either.
What's next? You going to give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row? |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:05:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote: give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row? Thats a great idea!
It's like CoD! Everyone loves CoD.......right?
.............right? |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:10:00 -
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ladwar wrote:love it, great idea.
How about some extra points for killing someone right after he/she kills your bro? Or how about some points where you kill two guys in one second!?
The kids will love it! |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:12:00 -
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low genius wrote:a res is 60 points, a headshot makes sure that can't happen. seems like a fair trade.
By that logic, I should get 10+ for bleeding some out, but we don't/won't. |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:28:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Marlin Kirby from KILL-EM-QUICK suggested it folks
" You going to give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row?" directed at CCP
<----------------------------------Point Your head*
This bullcrap happens in CoD and rewarding people for sucking or doing something a little out of the ordinary. We should be getting points for the kill alone and not how we get it.
General John Ripper wrote:I like this idea. Your just mad because maybe you don't know how to aim?
Lol You can't be serious. If I wasted loads of ammo on a guy, that's my own fault. Saving ammo by getting a headshot is a reward in its self.
And how could I possibly miss with the massive hit-boxes we have now?
Crash Monster wrote: I'd rather we get extra points for terminating a clone on a kill streak... if they killed five in a row get extra points for putting them out of action.
That's exactly what I'm getting at. I don't want this kind of garbage.^
Vrain Matari wrote:Tbh, the +60 WP might be a small nod to CoD, but it's a harmless one, so far as i can tell.
If politics ever taught me anything, it's that small changes leads to big ones. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:34:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Except that precisely aligns rewards with actions that help the team... some guy is owning your team and you are the one who takes the pressure off your team.
What are the points for otherwise... we could just use integer counters tracking kills.
Throwing in things that you can't control yourself, based on how much of a contribution you make, is a way to encourage people to keep trying when things get tough.
The bottom line is that 1337 red-dot I killed is only going to come back anyway.
To be honest, I like to do away with the WP system to where it gives airstrikes, after all, it the only thing it does right now. I prefer it if they made it a cooldown, like they did in MAG or how they demonstrated back in the Dust keynote back at 2012's Fanfest.
I can do one orbital bombardment every X minutes. Instead we have "If we kill one more guy, we get the magic lighting from the stars!"
TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Uh oh guys, an extra 10 WP's is going to make OB's spammable. Hurry and send death threats to everyone you know!
We're going to get more WP in the next patch. if I'm forced to deal with WP system, I'd prefer it if the increase the WP necessary for an OB.
ladwar wrote:50+ kill 60+ head shot (for 110) but hey i don't think so but it could be.
I'm pretty sure it's 60 WP for a headshot kill, not 110.
Vrain Matari wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote: If politics ever taught me anything, it's that small changes leads to big ones.
That sounds very wise. Now all you need to get my attention is a plausible model built up from eveidence and causation. Otherwise i vote for actually running the experiment in the field as opposed to the armchair...
I'll entertain you, but I don't know what you want. Is it videogame examples or real world politics? Either way, I present a few examples (for the political ones, I refuse to express my opinion on it and I expect the same from everyone else):
Exhibit A: The Patriot Act. Passed under Bush, expanded under Obama Exhibit B: European appeasement when Hit-lur (can't spell his name on this site ) came into power. Hit-lur kept expanding until France and Britain said he'd came too far. Exhibit C: Under Theodore Roosevelt, many Trusts (which he deemed as evil) were broken down. Under Taft, even more trusts were broken down (despite Teddy's dissatisfaction) Exhibit D: Lincoln elected--> Civil War --> Emancipation Proclamation --> War ends --> 13th Amendment
Exhibit E: Battlefield 1942 has vehicles in multiplayer --> SOCOM 3 has them too now (Seth Luisi admitted to this) Exhibit F: MW2 introduces those "candy handouts", almost every FPS/TPS has done it since. Exhibit G: The praise for Bad Company 1/2 lead to the class design choose of BF3 (which in my opinion is just BC3) Exhibit H: CoD has perks! Now so does Halo Reach!
Top of my head. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 19:57:00 -
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ladwar wrote:****** **** ?? wow... neither the group or the leader? how about some *** ? hm... no triple k either. what about taliban ? sweet that one works. gay pride parade?
CCP your censor is on the gay pride parade. stop it!
Let's see you find all the censors! |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:04:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:dogmanpig wrote:Bethhy wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote: give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row? Thats a great idea! Rewarding someone beyond them getting passed adversity for themself's.... is a spoiled ass backward's way to give points... And very unlike the EVE universe.... Don't reward people who don't deserve it.... reward them for what they do... You can't tailor a game around making a noob "feel" better. you better, or else i'll go and play bf4 or something Please, the moment we started catering to CoD and bf3 fanatic's is the moment this game started its downward climb to crap.
I would personally like it if they remove aim-assist. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:11:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Except that precisely aligns rewards with actions that help the team... some guy is owning your team and you are the one who takes the pressure off your team.
What are the points for otherwise... we could just use integer counters tracking kills.
Throwing in things that you can't control yourself, based on how much of a contribution you make, is a way to encourage people to keep trying when things get tough. The bottom line is that 1337 red-dot I killed is only going to come back anyway. To be honest, I like to do away with the WP system to where it gives airstrikes, after all, it the only thing it does right now. I prefer it if they made it a cooldown, like they did in MAG or how they demonstrated back in the Dust keynote back at 2012's Fanfest. You are thinking too small. The l337 red dot will often have lost his pub-stomping proto suit and is likely to come back with a cheaper fit after losing an expensive fit. If so, that's definitely worth the points. Also, the WP's determine your rank at the end of the match which determines your share of the payout pool. If you are worried about too many orbital bombardments then it's not hard to up the WP required to earn one -- though it might take a while.
That same 1337 isn't going to reduce his/her suit in a PC match.
I meant the immediate game and not the payout, but you're right.
I do agree that the WP required for a OB should be increased with this new patch. I'd just prefer it if wasn't just a accumulative collection of WP that caused the OB, but rather a cooldown. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:44:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:That same 1337 isn't going to reduce his/her suit in a PC match. I can't argue with that. We need a conceptual break between where the new player experience happens and PC. While the game may be about PC to many most newer players won't have any reason to care about it for a very long time.
And that's a problem that needs to be fixed. I don't have a solution in mind at the moment.
Csikszent Mihalyi wrote:While it seems like a bad idea in general, it is also just 10 WP, for something that doesn't happen often. It provides a bit of extra dopamine after a headshot kill. So to sum it up, it's dumb but fun and largely inconsequential. Nothing worth complaining about imo.
"It's only one thing"
This happening many times later and.................... |
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:29:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:I'll entertain you, but I don't know what you want. Is it videogame examples or real world politics? Either way, I present a few examples (for the political ones, I refuse to express my opinion on it and I expect the same from everyone else): Exhibit A: The Patriot Act. Passed under Bush, expanded under Obama Exhibit B: European appeasement when Hit-lur (can't spell his name on this site ) came into power. Hit-lur kept expanding until France and Britain said he'd came too far. Exhibit C: Under Theodore Roosevelt, many Trusts (which he deemed as evil) were broken down. Under Taft, even more trusts were broken down (despite Teddy's dissatisfaction) Exhibit D: Lincoln elected--> Civil War --> Emancipation Proclamation --> War ends --> 13th Amendment Exhibit E: Battlefield 1942 has vehicles in multiplayer --> SOCOM 3 has them too now (Seth Luisi admitted to this) Exhibit F: MW2 introduces those "candy handouts", almost every FPS/TPS has done it since. Exhibit G: The praise for Bad Company 1/2 lead to the class design choose of BF3 (which in my opinion is just BC3) Exhibit H: CoD has perks! Now so does Halo Reach! Top of my head. Lots of nice examples, and historical too, but i'm gonna go out an a limb and say that you've got a wee bit more work to do before showing the relevance of pre-WW2 appeasement to CCP's game design choices ;) Let's try controlling some variables: Fix the game desiger. I'll choose CCP. Now let's look at their only other game, EVE. There are no WP in EVE, but CCP's design philosophy is fairly obvious: there are no perks, and every player error is punished. If it isn't punished, it means you got bulls*** lucky. Now i do have my concerns about CCP softening up EVE lately, i hope that doesn't happen because i'll quit the game. But for now, based on past experience with the developer, i'm not going to worry about hand-holding carebear creep in dust - although i do want to see the AA nerfed. I'm guessing it will be, hopefully in 1.6
My examples weren't suppose to be a direct coloration to CCP design chooses. It was to simply express small things can lead to a larger result. I would agrue there are perks in EVE and Dust in the form of modules, they just cost fake money to use, but I digress.
You said yourself that CCP has softened EVE lately. Don't you think they'll bring the same to Dust?
And forgive me, what's "AA", is it anti-air?
Komodo Jones wrote:Here's a question, who cares? it's extra points that weren't there before and probably didn't take alot of work to put in, what are you complaining about?
I care....duh.
And the amount of work put into it isn't the point, it's the part where I find it a candy-handout I don't like. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:10:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:[
You said yourself that CCP has softened EVE lately. Don't you think they'll bring the same to Dust?
And forgive me, what's "AA", is it anti-air?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aircraft_warfare"Nicknames for anti-aircraft guns include AA, AAA or triple-A, an abbreviation of anti-aircraft artillery, "ack-ack""
Or he meant "aim-assist"
I which I agree. Remove or reduce aim-assist. I'd prefer removed. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:14:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I personally like that you get 10 more WP then normal with a headshot kill, kinda rewards skill or whathaveyous...
And increasing WP increases skill gain... Which is shnazzy.
Getting the kill is the reward.
Crash Monster wrote:I don't know... seems pointless to whine about giving people WP for doing things they are supposed to do.
Yeah, you're suppose to kill the enemy. You're not required to get a headshot. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 22:46:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:We're gonna have to start calling you Tom because that QQ was so damn Petty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uQ76qrlK78 |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.28 23:02:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:While we are on that low genius, if headshots prevent revival, should explosives get "Explosive Kill +60" are should we give explosives a chance to terminate instead?
I as an md user, believe in the second option!
Give me 10+ for bleeding someone out and I'll be fine. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:52:00 -
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negative49er wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote: give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row? Thats a great idea! It's like CoD! Everyone loves CoD.......right? .............right? Not really it got boring after MW3 I'm a battlefield and Dust Boy
That post was super heavy on sarcasm, I thought it was obvious after I put "right" twice.
For the record, I've hated CoD's multiplayer since W@W. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:57:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:we head shot whores approve of the 60+ wp. Nice to see CCP pushing for skillful gameplay unlike call of duty noob spray and pray.
That was suppose to be ironic, right? |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:45:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Crash Monster wrote:I don't know... seems pointless to whine about giving people WP for doing things they are supposed to do. Yeah, you're suppose to kill the enemy. You're not required to get a headshot. Dude, different people have different requirements. As a sniper you often need a head shot if you want to bring someone down relatively quickly. Doing that can make the difference between helping your team defend/take an objective or not. You must be trolling because that is a lame ass excuse for whining about the headshot thing.
If it is quicker? Someone already mentioned, but why not extra points for a grenade or explosive weapon then? It's quicker after all.
If he's dead, then he's dead. It should not matter how he died. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:02:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:low genius wrote:a res is 60 points, a headshot makes sure that can't happen. seems like a fair trade. By that logic, I should get 10+ for bleeding some out, but we don't/won't. I would like that. I always pump a few rounds into any corpse i find. Dont want some medic reviving people after i go through an area.
I wouldn't mind either. Make the 10+ for bleedouts and not necessarily headshots. I'm willing to compromise. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:06:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Thurak1 wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:low genius wrote:a res is 60 points, a headshot makes sure that can't happen. seems like a fair trade. By that logic, I should get 10+ for bleeding some out, but we don't/won't. I would like that. I always pump a few rounds into any corpse i find. Dont want some medic reviving people after i go through an area. I wouldn't mind either. Make the 10+ for bleedouts and not necessarily headshots. I'm willing to compromise. By that logic, being put down but still bleeding out shouldnt count as a kill till i have completely bled out and cant be revived, you can still get your points, but it shouldnt count against my K/D ratio.
That's not logic.
If you get extra point for getting a headshot And if you should get extra points for taking a enemy clone out of action Then you should get extra points for bleeding out a clone, taking him out of action
Here's what you said:
If you should get extra points for bleeding out a clone, taking him out of action Then no one should get points until I bleed out
What? |
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Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.29 15:14:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:I agree that it doesn't really make sense, but I think it's a good thing, just to give slayers a chance for a little extra WP. Logis already get far more WPs than frontline roles, with the scanner points they'll be getting even more. If there wasn't a buff to WPs for kills, heavies in particular (who can't even use a scanner) but also assaults would be getting further and further behind. I think it should be 60 WP for a kill, but if we can't have that then 60 for a headshot is better than nothing.
I don't notice problems like this and I use assault. Given, it might be because I normally get between first to fourth place in pub matches. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:30:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:I agree that it doesn't really make sense, but I think it's a good thing, just to give slayers a chance for a little extra WP. Logis already get far more WPs than frontline roles, with the scanner points they'll be getting even more. If there wasn't a buff to WPs for kills, heavies in particular (who can't even use a scanner) but also assaults would be getting further and further behind. I think it should be 60 WP for a kill, but if we can't have that then 60 for a headshot is better than nothing. I don't notice problems like this and I use assault. Given, it might be because I normally get between first to fourth place in pub matches. I'm a HMG heavy, so I have even fewer sources of WPs than an assault - nothing except kills, assists, and hacks. I don't do badly but I'm not first all that often. I played for a couple of hours before downtime today, had plenty of good games but think I only came first once (went 34-2 that game). I think a logi of a similar ability level would be top more often, though I realize that's hard to quantify. Anyway, I'm not saying logis get too much WP, just that I'm glad slayers are getting their own WP boost in 1.5.
I only rarely use the militia heavy with militia forge gun, so I don't have a clear understanding of how little WP the heavies get. I can understand that you feel you're not getting enough WP because of how slow you are in moving around and hacking.
I've edited the OP. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:27:00 -
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I'm not skilled into tank, but I have stole a few before.
I was super surprised when I got the headshot sound. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.30 01:28:00 -
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I would argue that actually killing a clone reduces the amount of guns on the field temporarily. I'd rather have one guy shooting at me than two. I think the "kill points" should stay. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.30 02:39:00 -
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Blake Kingston wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:with the scanner points they'll be getting even more. There will be what now? :) Source?
I don't have a source, just trust me:
Gameplay * New War Points rewards have been added: * Intel Assist - rewards the scanner 15 War Points if their squad members kill scanned enemies, 25 War Points for vehicles or installations. Scanning War Points will still be received up to 10 seconds after a scan has ended if the target was damaged whilst scanned. * Equipment destruction - rewards the destruction of enemy equipment with 5 War Points. * Transport assist - After troops have been transported over 100M from the point where they boarded, the pilot will receive a reward equivalent to 15% of the War Points disembarked passengers earn for one minute. * Headshot Kill - 60 War Points.* * Counter hacking - rewards a counter hack with 75 War Points. * Updated War Point reward message UI.
The reason the thread was made* |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:33:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Tbh, the +60 WP might be a small nod to CoD, but it's a harmless one, so far as i can tell. If politics ever taught me anything, it's that small changes leads to big ones. That sounds very wise. Now all you need to get my attention is a plausible model built up from eveidence and causation. Otherwise i vote for actually running the experiment in the field as opposed to the armchair... Yeah I don't see a slippery slope here either. I'm actually surprised at people complaining about the extra 50 WP this would give most people per match. It rewards the player for being skillful with their weapon. Why is this a bad thing? For all of the "it takes no skill to use an AR" that I hear on the forums I'd think that the people who actually believe that they have skill would be for something that rewards them over dumb blueberry luck. I'm surprised this wasn't the default way the game was designed.
The reward should be the ammo you saved.
I'm surprised you think that should have been default. Recent multiplayer games has spoiled you.
War points, if anything, should getting a job done. It shouldn't be used to make you feel special. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:53:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Holy crap, 10 points!
A HUGE Difference!
Its worth being up in arms about, 10 whole faqing points!
Really. 10.
You missed the point like so many others. You should not be rewarded for for the circumstances of which you kill people. |
Marlin Kirby
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Posted - 2013.09.30 18:40:00 -
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Buttercup Chipmint wrote:Super Dumb, maybe.
Last of the Super Dumb Decisions CCP makes, nope.
Bad part about this one is it will stay in game forever. Also as you stated above, this may just be the first in a long line of LOL COD wannabe moves CCP makes in order to reel in the kids and their parents money.
I sure hope not. |
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:52:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Sleepy Zan wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote: give us extra points for killing someone after dying three times in a row? Thats a great idea! LOL No, BF3 much?
That comment I made was a spin from MW2 by the way.
Ugh, I hate that game. |
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:46:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:All this for 10 WP........
I feel so little and unarmed in front of the powerful intrinsic QQ that resides in these forums.
DUST forum is the point of confluence of all the QQ in the entire Universe.
No counter argument besides "All this for 10 WP........"?
It's more than that and I've explained this many times already. |
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:02:00 -
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Lazy Scumbag wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Holy crap, 10 points!
A HUGE Difference!
Its worth being up in arms about, 10 whole faqing points!
Really. 10. 72 points for headshot kills while wearing the donut. Not exactly game breaking, but isn't that a good thing?
I don't understand if you're saying if is a good idea or not. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:18:00 -
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Well, the patch has been pit out and, as expected, the amount of OB I'm able to use to dramatically increased. I'm unlucky to get only one in a match. This is obviously not just because of the headshot bonus, but all the other WP opportunities as well. The WP required for an OB should be increased or OB should be reworked to a cooldown.
Headshot bonus is still super dumb. Give 10WP for clone termination instead CCP! |
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:34:00 -
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I noticed that red-dots getting revived after giving them a bullet to the head, there by making half the arguments here void. I still agree with the edited OP, but I will not tolerate candy handouts!
The not logic bomb!
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