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Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:40:00 -
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1. Religion: You believe, or you do not.
2. Politics: What is more important to you? Liberty in the form of low taxes and small government or improved social benefit in the form of providing health care for dying poor kids
3. Dust: Tanks should either require team play and fit into a rock/paper/scissors model or they should be balanced as being viable and sustainable solo-play options.
... the reason for debate in all of the above is because there is no right answer because the parties involved do not agree on starting conditions. If "X = Tanks", how can you choose where to place the fulcrum and balance "X" to "Y" when everyone has a different definition of "Y"?
Infantry must make the decision before they drop into combat to decide what they primarily engage based on their fitting: EITHER tanks/vehicles OR other infantry. This comes with the obvious drawback that if they face what they are not fitted to face, they will melt. TANKS on the other hand, have the capability to counter both infantry AND other tanks. The primary drawback is the cost of the tank. One way to balance tanks to infantry is to balance their drawbacks and make them comparable... but that gets into subjective value judgements and the lack of an objective "player skill" metric that can be used as a yard stick makes it difficult to gauge where your overall balance points should be.
So is that how you should balance? Well, only CCP knows... because only CCP knows what role they intend for tanks in the game. Obvious infantry perspective here... but... tank survivability against any given AV method can't be balanced in a vacuum. So Swarms kill you easily? Well, if you get line of sight in range of the guy HOLDING the swarms, you kill HIM much faster than he kills you, and any comparable-skill-level 'slayer' will destroy him on foot. Forge guns kill you easily? That forge gunner requires logistics support to provide the ammo to counter you and lacks the mobility to counter other infantry in close combat and a tank with a rail can pick him off a roof at distance.
Should AV grenades be nerfed? The only way to answer that question is to ask CCP: Are tanks supposed to be team assets or solo-viable? From the 1.5 blog, it seems that CCP is going to impliment different tank fits/classes that enable either play type... but that could just make balance harder.
If the tank is intended to be part of team play, your squad's infantry and your small turret gunners (there for a reason...) should be SLAUGHTERING the grenadiers. Proto AV grenades are actually a lot more SP intensive than proto blasters and a pain in the ass to fit on a lot of suits, so there's a bit of balance there. If tanks are supposed to be solo-viable 'slog into the frontline grinder, kill lots of infantry and survive' then sure, AV grenades will probably get nerfed.
All tanks see is that AV weapons kill them easily. All the infantry sees is that tanks kill THEM easily.
Where to balance? I dunno man, but good luck CCP. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.29 19:21:00 -
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[Deleted] Nevermind. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.29 19:26:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:Void Echo wrote:ugh... I can see that you all decided to ignore my post and go directly for the stuff that weren't part of this thread.
this isn't a ******* debate thread so STFU already.
and about SP, stfu already, nobody forced you skill into every single AV there is, tanks on the other hand require at least 9 million SP to get a solid foundation in the class itself, the rest of it will go into both armor and shield.
so yeah, it takes much more dedication to become a tank driver. We didn't ignore your post, we were just trying to do better than "Wow, cool story bro... " cuz none of us really give a **** why YOU chose to be a tanker. This isn't kindergarten show and tell *******. If you want people to STFU, why did you post on the forums? O my bad. Let me get back to voiceless +1ing and mindlessly agreeing that it's so uber cool to now know the inner workings of Void Echo's motivation. Woohoo. "Cool story bro!" and I care. wow your just a sadistic little boy whos home from school because hes sick. id rather not have a troll thread but theres 2 pages of it beginning after the 1st page. in case you didn't read, they don't give any reasons you think of. Yep. You're absolutely right. |
Rogatien Merc
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Posted - 2013.08.29 19:31:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:[Deleted] Nevermind. nice try kid, we got your idiocy in a quote
/shrug ... like you said, it was a douchy post so I went back to delete it. Cuz I recognized that and it's not worth it.
But Void's "STFU EVERYONE LET ME HAVE MY POST!!!!" response was lolworthy enough to keep me smiling through it all |
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