DUST Search - DUST lacks purpose. My mercenary status means nothing.

I-Shayz-I wrote:

Don't get me wrong here, I want to point out that I love this game, I play it all the time, and it's probably the most fun I've had with a FPS in a long time.

But something is seriously wrong here.

This game is designed around one basic concept: I am an immortal mercenary in New Eden who can fight my own war.

How does the game implement this concept? It doesn't. In fact, it doesn't even make sense when you consider the fact that you can't be a mercenary if you're fighting for your own reasons. I guess that's what the word "can" is good for.

From my understanding, I'm supposed to be paid by someone to fight their wars, unless I figure that I want to fight my own instead. But that's where the problem is...what's the purpose of fighting a war? isk? Okay, well what can I do with isk besides buy more war related stuff?
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Where to begin?

Let me first start out by listing what is missing from this game that should have been here to begin with:

-EVE players hiring DUST mercs to fight for them.
-DUST corporations hiring DUST mercs to fight for them.
-A ranking system based on your effectiveness in battle (if you are constantly at the top of the scoreboard, you should have a higher rank).
-A system for EVE or DUST players to view the current online ranked players, and the ability for any player to be hired on into a battle from that list.
-The ability to set yourself as a mercenary, and to set a price for how much you're willing to offer your services for.
-Faction Warfare actually having a purpose.
-Reasons to flip districts besides hoarding isk.
-Player trading of items.
-Some sort of PVE mode that directly relates to EVE (EVE players hiring mercs to mine a section of the mineral rich planet for them?)

As of now, I don't belong to a corp, which means that I can't fight for anyone else unless they specifically pull me into a battle that I offered myself for in one of the top corps public channels

I mean, there's no place in this game for skilled mercenaries like me to go if I'd like to offer my abilities.
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What I mean by "DUST lacks purpose" is that there is nowhere I can go in this game and feel like I'm actually doing something in the EVE universe. It doesn't seem like PC is really doing anything in EVE besides taking up space, EVE players aren't really participating because they're too limited and there's not really any reward for them, and FW doesn't even let me at least fight for increased rewards from an NPC corp.

I was pulled into this game expecting so much of what should have been obvious things to implement first, yet I was mislead to what this game is really about.

I'm not a mercenary, nor am I some war leader.
I'm just a clone fighting meaningless battles for fun.

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I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 552	Posted - 2013.08.05 16:40:00 - [1] - Quote Don't get me wrong here, I want to point out that I love this game, I play it all the time, and it's probably the most fun I've had with a FPS in a long time. But something is seriously wrong here. This game is designed around one basic concept: I am an immortal mercenary in New Eden who can fight my own war. How does the game implement this concept? It doesn't. In fact, it doesn't even make sense when you consider the fact that you can't be a mercenary if you're fighting for your own reasons. I guess that's what the word "can" is good for. From my understanding, I'm supposed to be paid by someone to fight their wars, unless I figure that I want to fight my own instead. But that's where the problem is...what's the purpose of fighting a war? isk? Okay, well what can I do with isk besides buy more war related stuff? ______________________ Where to begin? Let me first start out by listing what is missing from this game that should have been here to begin with: -EVE players hiring DUST mercs to fight for them. -DUST corporations hiring DUST mercs to fight for them. -A ranking system based on your effectiveness in battle (if you are constantly at the top of the scoreboard, you should have a higher rank). -A system for EVE or DUST players to view the current online ranked players, and the ability for any player to be hired on into a battle from that list. -The ability to set yourself as a mercenary, and to set a price for how much you're willing to offer your services for. -Faction Warfare actually having a purpose. -Reasons to flip districts besides hoarding isk. -Player trading of items. -Some sort of PVE mode that directly relates to EVE (EVE players hiring mercs to mine a section of the mineral rich planet for them?) As of now, I don't belong to a corp, which means that I can't fight for anyone else unless they specifically pull me into a battle that I offered myself for in one of the top corps public channels I mean, there's no place in this game for skilled mercenaries like me to go if I'd like to offer my abilities. ____________________ What I mean by "DUST lacks purpose" is that there is nowhere I can go in this game and feel like I'm actually doing something in the EVE universe. It doesn't seem like PC is really doing anything in EVE besides taking up space, EVE players aren't really participating because they're too limited and there's not really any reward for them, and FW doesn't even let me at least fight for increased rewards from an NPC corp. I was pulled into this game expecting so much of what should have been obvious things to implement first, yet I was mislead to what this game is really about. I'm not a mercenary, nor am I some war leader. I'm just a clone fighting meaningless battles for fun.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 532	Posted - 2013.08.05 16:42:00 - [2] - Quote come back in a year. There'll be more stuff and you'll have millions of banked SP.
VonSpliff spliff's channel 18	Posted - 2013.08.05 16:47:00 - [3] - Quote I want all that, plus a tree. New content less nerf.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 94	Posted - 2013.08.05 16:50:00 - [4] - Quote I want to trick out my crib (I believe that is the parlance you young people use these days) I want a holographic model of my fav vehicle spinning on my desk ... and a fruit machine + This
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 795	Posted - 2013.08.05 16:53:00 - [5] - Quote I know what you mean. I tried joining corps, thinking it would make the game better for me. It's still the same ol ***** , lobby shooter with same people, vs lobby shooter with a broader range of people. I see no real point in corporations, no point in PC other than isk framing.. which is already frikin easy enough and broken ( afk grind ). There is no real purpose to being in this game, other than to see if you can keep your kdr up and go " QQ some moar, adapt or die, your a scrub , gets some gun game " in the forums or through messages in game. So original and game changing. CCP did great with their sanbox called Eve, Has had me for years... this game is not even 1% to being that deep.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood 445	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:01:00 - [6] - Quote To be successful at dust all you have to do learn to pilot a dropship well enough to get on top of a building and use a mass driver. Its just stupid now, I am regretting signing up for the tournament because all its going to be is MDs and forge guns up high covering objectives making the thousands of hours I've put into FPS games on the PS3 to build dexterity allowing me to maintain aim while strafing is meaningless. I should have just skilled into mass drivers, CCP good luck with that joke of a tournament.
Rusty Sandstorm Raven Accord Black Core Alliance 29	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:03:00 - [7] - Quote All this ISK and no hookers OR blow to spend it on.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 796	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:04:00 - [8] - Quote Rusty Sandstorm wrote: All this ISK and no hookers OR blow to spend it on. It's all about the Hookers and Blow. Can't believe the old EP had no idea
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 181	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:13:00 - [9] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Don't get me wrong here, I want to point out that I love this game, I play it all the time, and it's probably the most fun I've had with a FPS in a long time. But something is seriously wrong here. This game is designed around one basic concept: I am an immortal mercenary in New Eden who can fight my own war. How does the game implement this concept? It doesn't. In fact, it doesn't even make sense when you consider the fact that you can't be a mercenary if you're fighting for your own reasons. I guess that's what the word "can" is good for. From my understanding, I'm supposed to be paid by someone to fight their wars, unless I figure that I want to fight my own instead. But that's where the problem is...what's the purpose of fighting a war? isk? Okay, well what can I do with isk besides buy more war related stuff? ______________________ Where to begin? Let me first start out by listing what is missing from this game that should have been here to begin with: -EVE players hiring DUST mercs to fight for them. -DUST corporations hiring DUST mercs to fight for them. -A ranking system based on your effectiveness in battle (if you are constantly at the top of the scoreboard, you should have a higher rank). -A system for EVE or DUST players to view the current online ranked players, and the ability for any player to be hired on into a battle from that list. -The ability to set yourself as a mercenary, and to set a price for how much you're willing to offer your services for. -Faction Warfare actually having a purpose. -Reasons to flip districts besides hoarding isk. -Player trading of items. -Some sort of PVE mode that directly relates to EVE (EVE players hiring mercs to mine a section of the mineral rich planet for them?) As of now, I don't belong to a corp, which means that I can't fight for anyone else unless they specifically pull me into a battle that I offered myself for in one of the top corps public channels I mean, there's no place in this game for skilled mercenaries like me to go if I'd like to offer my abilities. ____________________ What I mean by "DUST lacks purpose" is that there is nowhere I can go in this game and feel like I'm actually doing something in the EVE universe. It doesn't seem like PC is really doing anything in EVE besides taking up space, EVE players aren't really participating because they're too limited and there's not really any reward for them, and FW doesn't even let me at least fight for increased rewards from an NPC corp. I was pulled into this game expecting so much of what should have been obvious things to implement first, yet I was mislead to what this game is really about. I'm not a mercenary, nor am I some war leader. I'm just a clone fighting meaningless battles for fun. Maybe next year or ten years from now Dust will have those things.
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 40	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:24:00 - [10] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: come back in a year. There'll be more stuff and you'll have millions of banked SP. Only problem is that only you and him will be playing probably

Icy Tiger Red Star. EoN. 1397	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:28:00 - [11] - Quote True. Beyond shooting at people with a single build, there's not much to do.
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 174	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:38:00 - [12] - Quote +1 I haven't played in months because of this exactly, so I endorse this critique.
Yan Darn DUST University Ivy League 7	Posted - 2013.08.05 17:41:00 - [13] - Quote Sigh I don't want to agree, but it is true isn't it? I held off from the open Beta until I saw something that'll meant something, then I held off after 'launch' (because the game is/was launch worthy right?) for the same reason. Sick of seeing the DUST beta client uninstalled, I finally deleted it, downloaded DUST and got started - knowing the longer I leave it the longer I'd have to spend catching up (it helped knowing E-UNI had a corp Dust-side). We were briefly discussing in our corp the dislike for ambush mode - my reasoning is that it only reminds people even more that the game is a lobby shooter. I've seen some people here basically say 'Lolz - PVE in an FPS? Go play FarmVille' etc. I don't think those people understand the importance of needing a real connection to EVE and how PVE is not really PVE . These guys must think when people say PVE they mean a horde/firefight/ zombie mode that you play for the the lulz. In my mind, PVE is gathering resources/blueprints etc. for your corp (or others maybe), it's about defending areas which have relevant high level sites to farm for said resources, to be able make ISK, to fund and equip your troops and outposts, to impose yourself on New Eden. It's about making sure you have backup with you when you're out mining (and those defending you having reason to care about your 'carebear' activities) - or having someone to tell about that anomaly/WH you discovered because you don't stand a chance with your dinky scout. At its most basic level DUST has this - you use ISK to fight, to earn ISK to fight. But, without those details making the picture more complex and varied, DUST is and always will be a lobby shooter with 'meh' progression and reward system. That does sound really negative.I understand why we will get all this later rather than sooner, I've actually got high hopes for the game - I just completely understand the people who don't.
LT Dans Legs Bullet Cluster 159	Posted - 2013.08.05 18:06:00 - [14] - Quote Ya, this game has been a big let down so far.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 964	Posted - 2013.08.05 18:10:00 - [15] - Quote We're mercenaries But we don't really do much So we must pretend
SATAN'S PRODIGY D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 31	Posted - 2013.08.05 18:36:00 - [16] - Quote OP is 100% correct. Additional proof of this, which is only self-evident to me, is that I am camping in the MCC as I write this. This game is not what they said it would be. That is a fact. As soon as they fix the AFK situation I will be gone too. I am only "playing" now (camping to skill cap each week) to bank SP, so that if there ever comes a time when this game is playable, I will have a lot of SP. =CCP just seems to be a 1-hit wonder with EVE. They have ruined their reputation by releasing this game in its current state. When half of the Devs are fired in the next 6 months they would be well-advised to leave DUST 514 off of their resume.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 566	Posted - 2013.08.05 18:39:00 - [17] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: come back in a year. There'll be more stuff and you'll have millions of banked SP. I'm sitting on 17 million sp and counting. I have not one, but TWO roles at prototype weapons/modules/suits
dustwaffle Gravity Prone EoN. 288	Posted - 2013.08.05 19:03:00 - [18] - Quote Based on the development schedule CCP goes by, it would seem fixes and balancing will occur throughout an title expansion, ie Uprising Content is then added slowly in each expansion with more tweaking and balancing until the next. From what I've seen, each expansion cycle is generally every half a year or so, but that's from EVE. Whether this system works on console audiences, well, CCP has never been the mass market type. tl;dr, if you want major content, the earliest is probably around or after 6-7 months after uprising ie November or December
Brynjar Reko STRONG-ARMED BANDITS 6	Posted - 2013.08.05 19:07:00 - [19] - Quote Hell, I would be over the moon if they made the bar in play station home an actual part of the game where I could take off my helmet and spend some ISK while complaining that scout suits need a rework. Though if after the reworks in 1.4 and 1.5 the game seems a bit fixed then I won't mind the wait.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1102	Posted - 2013.08.05 19:54:00 - [20] - Quote Well my first problem with Dust is that you don't feel like you're living in the same universe as Eve players do. Eve players fly around, explorer, conquer, claim. They are free to move about as they see fit and interact with New Eden. What do Dust players do to interact? Load into random games and shoot each other. It's pretty fail. At the very least we need a middle-ground station environment to interact, but that isn't going to happen because a vocal minority of EVE players don't want it to exist and CCP is terrified of upsetting them again.

Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 261	Posted - 2013.08.05 19:59:00 - [21] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I'm not a mercenary, nor am I some war leader. I'm just a random dude playing a video game for fun.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 996	Posted - 2013.08.05 20:05:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: At the very least we need a middle-ground station environment to interact, but that isn't going to happen because a vocal minority of EVE players don't want it to exist and CCP is terrified of upsetting them again. So we, by proxy, have to suffer. I am confused here Why don't they want to have this? It does not make sense
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 996	Posted - 2013.08.05 20:07:00 - [23] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I'm not a mercenary, nor am I some war leader. I'm just a random dude playing a video game for fun. That is the premise Of every other shooter Dust can be different
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 633	Posted - 2013.08.05 20:18:00 - [24] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: This game is designed around one basic concept: I am an immortal mercenary in New Eden who can fight my own war. I'm pining for the community to get away from this particular rhetoric, from the CPM to the typical forum goer. The statement quoted is self-contradictory in itself, and the contradiction aptly paints the absurd abuse the word "mercenary" has suffered at the hands of the Dust 514 community (CCP not the least). Mercenaries don't fight their own wars, soldiers do. Players don't want to be mercenaries, they typically want to be soldiers. Fighting solely for money is really not the way most people's minds work, and to be quite frank if you can't fight your own battles (EG: maintain an army of soldiers) what motivation could you possibly have in hiring mercenaries? The in-ground usage of "mercs" from CCP is at best an ongoing PR stunt. They're attempting to placate a somewhat vocal minority within the Eve Online community that rails against Dust 514 because they are scared in a shift of the status quo. Upon originating the concept CCP outright stated that Dust players wouldn't have access to metagaming tools; those were to be handled by Eve Online players initiating contracts. The Dust community made it clear that no matter if CCP shuffled every single piece of infrastructure over to the Eve client for metagaming that we would begrudgingly pick up subs and initiate battles for ourselves. The Eve community has made is abundantly clear that until CCP implement dynamic negatives that go from both Eve to Dust and Dust to Eve nobody could give a rat's arse about the outcome of anything in D514. That's where we are right now. To consult the thread's original post more directly: Yeah, the integration is certainly a very pale shadow of the promises we've been given about cross-game interaction. Trying to build mercenary infrastructure for the sake of it makes absolutely no sense though considering that a great swathe of the game's population doesn't have a particular desire to make use of it. Treat every single argument that tries to use "making Dust players into mercenaries" as its grounding with a grain of salt. There are quite a few of the more political members of the community who attempt to disguise personal agendas behind the traditional veneer of the "mercenary" vocabulary set.


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