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Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:44:00 -
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When the time comes,when we start to tearing every factions foundations to the ground.Will you stand with your brethrens and sisters or will you stand with those people who uses us like pawns in their own never-ending games?When the time comes will you help to bring real liberty and freedom across new eden or will you help keeping those ancient institutions in power?I know this wont happen tommorrow and not even near future but i know that there will be time when people start to say we are nomore taking part to you insanity and power hunger agendas.I know when the time come it will be very bloody and violent age,but i know we prevail victorious.So my brethrens and sisters are you there with me when it all starts? |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
319
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:56:00 -
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Why do you want to tear down the foundations of each empire? So you can set up a new one which will have it's own problems and issues?
Destroying a government solves nothing because a new one will always come afterwards, it has always happened and it will happen each time. No, I will not stand at your side because you are heading for a futile and pointless quest which even if succeeded ultimately sets the cycle back to the starting point. And I am still uncertain of your agendas, in one post you claim glory to the Gallente and your own beliefs, while on the other you give death threats to Amarrians and on this have plans to overthrow governments. And with the posts you have been making, I am fairly certain you do not have much credibility left.
I would rather work towards solving the problems of current governments rather than tear them down completely. And no, I do not consider you as my brother or other relative, that position is reserved to my fellow Intaki and my close friends. |
21yrOld Knight
187.
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:20:00 -
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( In one of the dust/eve trailers the narrators states that the 4 empires start to loose power to Mercenaries and capsuleers ) You fool As a mercenary if you destroy the four empires then you would loose the easiest way to make a profit. They will always be fighting. You can despise them all you want like I do but you wanna know the cold hard truth about hating the 4 major empires they will always be there. They will always have determined fighters to stop their enemy. You will go bankrupt before being successful. Attack smart with profit in mind if you hate the empire. Do not attack stupid with hate. If you attack with hate then you are no more then a minmatar terrorist. If you attack with hate you are no different the Gallente fighting for freedom. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
87
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:35:00 -
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I stated that we bring real liberty and freedom to all not to raise any new faction to power,and if we should shatter the factions and new faction would come to power,but same time unite people and would end all fighting and bloodshead against each other.Would that be so horrible?And i also said it will not happen in near future so we have plenty of time gather resources and isk,and what you 21yrOLD Knight said is when the time comes that we lose our income,but there will still be corp and they have allways have work to do.And Denak that what i have said is my own opinion and that is my right to say what i want,and that is the liberty and freedom what i want to every man,woman,and child in new eden.And i want that they dont have to be affraid to say what they want or people with no wealth or no power has voice that count like people with wealth and power. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
319
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:06:00 -
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To met you're just spouting out nonsense about making a utopia and trying to replace every other kind of government with your "real freedom" and "real liberty". Do you really think that it is the ultimate best way to run a nation? To me it would seem just a massively big opportunity for corruption, which is rampant in the current Gallente society. And there is no such thing as a perfect utopia, your ideal faction would still have its problems, that is just a fact of life.
And I am not questioning your rights, I am questioning if you have taken too many boosters since from what I've read your idea of achieving peace and freedom is through massacre and endless bloodshed. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
166
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:23:00 -
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Spirits preserve us from idealistic fools. |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
79
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:36:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Spirits preserve us from idealistic fools.
Trust me... I'm trying to kill as many of them as I can before they spread....
I truly doubt that he will succeed in this ambition of his; I wonder what the capsuleers would have to say about this? |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:03:00 -
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I am not entire sure if you are advocating anarchy or communism. In both cases, good luck. With the state of empyreans right now, there is little to no chance that tube rats like us can truly dethrone an Empire. There are too many of them and too little of us. You folley here comes from having too broad of a spectrum for your vision. A word we Caldari like to use is focus aggression. Pick a target and weather away at it until it can no longer stand.
Namely among these targets, the destruction of the Amarr Empire. If you would truly like to make a difference, begin there.
All other Empires at their core are of no concern to me. Yes, each of them as their own evils. Yet as a Caldari, I am concerned chiefly about the concerns of the Caldari. It is not our duty, nor interest to shepard the rest of humanity under our banner. You claim to seek an end to all empires, but I ask you: What is so wrong about the State? With the hnolku Heth out of power, the meritocratic ideals of our nation may finally rise to the status it held before the fall of the Raata Empire.
The Gallente have indeed been our longstanding enemies for obvious reason. Yet the question has been raised, even if we were to win a war against the Gallente, what purpose would it serve us in destroying their empire? All that would leave us with is a universe of kakku that the State would be left to support and waste materials attempting to fold them all into the Caldari culture, which would likely come at the cost of diluting our own cultural ties. Reparations will be paid for what they have done to our State, make no mistake about that. But as far as seeking to destroy the Gallente? That was a fight that was decided in the first Caldari-Gallente War. Rather than squabbling for the rest of eternity, we need to learn to put the past behind us and attempt to seek out better forms of reaching our goals. Short of reclamation of Caldari Prime as our homeworld and the annexation of several Intaki worlds, I feel that there isn't much that we disagree on. Our hatred is bred purely from more hatred, a cycle that we can end now.
My opinons on the Minmatar are at best sympathetic and at worst indifferent. It is unfortunate that they are horrible at picking friends, as the Gallente have only ever further destablized relations in the Republic while politically castrating it into an uneasy alliance. At the end of the day, the technical and military prowess of the Republic is similar to our own. Ironically, I find that the Caldari and the Minmatar are two faces of the same coin. One, taken by force by the Amarr, the other gradually "corrected" and trained into assimilation.
Which brings me to the Amarr.
They are without a doubt the greatest threat to our property. They seek to alter our very way of life and make us become another branch of their empire, only to be forever subjugated the will of the True Amarr. Whether the slavery will be literal or metaphorical is still yet to be seen. We Caldari made a deal with a horror we could not have known based on the hatred towards the Gallente, a mistake that will haunt us until we hault all support of the Amarr Empire. Unless we Caldari are able to prevent foreign powers from consuming our identity, we will be devoured and carved apart for "holy" nobles. We are their only friend right now. Were we to unite against them, the Golden Fleet might finally be reduced to ash and their Empire can be placed in the same chains in which she has locked countless Minmatar to a life of bondage. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1010
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:13:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:I stated that we bring real liberty and freedom to all not to raise any new faction to power,and if we should shatter the factions and new faction would come to power,but same time unite people and would end all fighting and bloodshead against each other.Would that be so horrible?And i also said it will not happen in near future so we have plenty of time gather resources and isk,and what you 21yrOLD Knight said is when the time comes that we lose our income,but there will still be corp and they have allways have work to do.And Denak that what i have said is my own opinion and that is my right to say what i want,and that is the liberty and freedom what i want to every man,woman,and child in new eden.And i want that they dont have to be affraid to say what they want or people with no wealth or no power has voice that count like people with wealth and power. Freedom and liberty are dangerous concepts when the unworthy are able to take upon themselves positions of regulation or power.
Without the rule of the Empires New Eden would degenerate into a mass of weak minded and willed fools, devoid of the concepts of duty, loyalty, and purity.
No friend mercenaries will never rule the stars, we cannot tear down the heavens on out own without the aid of our capsuleers, and they given the status quo, I believe, will not raise arms against the empires with any intent other than to remain as loyalists to one faction or another.
While you many have the right to say what you want, it does not mean you will be met with a positive reception. You liberalist, gallentean ideals find no purchase with me. I consider your people weak and corrupt, a debasement of what could have been a bastion of the faith in this universe, and a foul reflected image of the glorious Amarrian empire.
With a concept like freedom you are abandoning the common man, his freedom entitles him to be poor, weak, and forever a loser in life, you condemn this man to suffering and misery because you pushed your freedom on him. Had he been within the fold of the the Empire or the State as long as he worked he would have been taken care of by his people.
Unity is the more powerful concept in New Eden. Its the more positive for Humanity. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1010
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:16:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:I am not entirely sure if you are advocating anarchy or communism. In both cases, good luck. With the state of empyreans right now, there is little to no chance that tube rats like us can truly dethrone an Empire. There are too many of them and too little of us. Your folley here comes from having too broad of a spectrum for your vision. A word we Caldari like to use is focused aggression. Pick a target and weather away at it until it can no longer stand.
Namely among these targets, the destruction of the Amarr Empire. If you would truly like to make a difference, begin there.
All other Empires at their core are of no concern to me. Yes, each of them as their own evils. Yet as a Caldari, I am concerned chiefly about the concerns of the Caldari. It is not our duty, nor interest to shepard the rest of humanity under our banner. You claim to seek an end to all empires, but I ask you: What is so wrong about the State? With the hnolku Heth out of power, the meritocratic ideals of our nation may finally rise to the status it held before the fall of the Raata Empire.
The Gallente have indeed been our longstanding enemies for obvious reason. Yet the question has been raised, even if we were to win a war against the Gallente, what purpose would it serve us in destroying their empire? All that would leave us with is a universe of kakku that the State would be left to support and waste materials attempting to fold them all into the Caldari society, which would likely come at the cost of diluting our own cultural ties. Reparations will be paid for what they have done to our State, make no mistake about that. But as far as seeking to destroy the Gallente? That was a fight that was decided in the first Caldari-Gallente War. Rather than squabbling for the rest of eternity, we need to learn to put the past behind us and attempt to seek out better forms of reaching our goals. Short of a reclamation of Caldari Prime as our homeworld and the annexation of several Intaki worlds, I feel that there isn't much that we disagree on. Our hatred is bred purely from more hatred, a cycle that we can end now.
My opinons on the Minmatar are at best sympathetic and at worst indifferent. It is unfortunate that they are horrible at picking friends, as the Gallente have only ever further destablized relations in the Republic while politically castrating it into an uneasy alliance. At the end of the day, the technical and military prowess of the Republic is similar to our own. I find that the Caldari and the Minmatar are two faces of the same coin. One, taken by force by the Amarr, the other gradually "corrected" and trained into future assimilation.
Which brings me to the Amarr.
They are without a doubt the greatest threat to our property. They seek to alter our very way of life and make us become another branch of their empire, only to be forever subjugated the will of the True Amarr. Whether the slavery will be literal or metaphorical is still yet to be seen. We Caldari made a deal with a horror we could not have known based on the hatred towards the Gallente, a mistake that will haunt us until we hault all support of the Amarr Empire. Unless we Caldari are able to prevent foreign powers from consuming our identity, we will be devoured and carved apart for "holy" nobles. We are their only friend right now. Were we to unite against them, the Golden Fleet might finally be reduced to ash and their Empess can be placed in the same chains in which she has locked countless Minmatar to a life of bondage.
Watch you words filth.
I respect the Caldari peoples. They are a puritanical race, honourable, noble, and proud. I have fought with them in every corner of New Eden and count them amongst my allies.
And yet one talks about taking up arms against their allies? A Dragonaur exile no less.... |
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Rus Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:17:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Amarr.
They are without a doubt the greatest threat to our property. They seek to alter our very way of life and make us become another branch of their empire, only to be forever subjugated the will of the True Amarr. Whether the slavery will be literal or metaphorical is still yet to be seen. We Caldari made a deal with a horror we could not have known based on the hatred towards the Gallente, a mistake that will haunt us until we hault all support of the Amarr Empire. Unless we Caldari are able to prevent foreign powers from consuming our identity, we will be devoured and carved apart for "holy" nobles. We are their only friend right now. Were we to unite against them, the Golden Fleet might finally be reduced to ash and their Empess can be placed in the same chains in which she has locked countless Minmatar to a life of bondage.
Caldari speaks wise words. Tho personally I would accept unconditional surrender, too, from the Empess.
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Rinas Rylos
Rinas' Raiders
55
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:21:00 -
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I'll stand for whoever fuckin' pays me. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1011
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:30:00 -
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Rinas Rylos wrote:I'll stand for whoever fuckin' pays me.
I'll pay you. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1011
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:33:00 -
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Rus Rhiannon wrote:Galm Fae wrote:Amarr.
They are without a doubt the greatest threat to our property. They seek to alter our very way of life and make us become another branch of their empire, only to be forever subjugated the will of the True Amarr. Whether the slavery will be literal or metaphorical is still yet to be seen. We Caldari made a deal with a horror we could not have known based on the hatred towards the Gallente, a mistake that will haunt us until we hault all support of the Amarr Empire. Unless we Caldari are able to prevent foreign powers from consuming our identity, we will be devoured and carved apart for "holy" nobles. We are their only friend right now. Were we to unite against them, the Golden Fleet might finally be reduced to ash and their Empess can be placed in the same chains in which she has locked countless Minmatar to a life of bondage. Caldari speaks wise words. Tho personally I would accept unconditional surrender, too, from the Empess.
We who would have welcomed you into the Holy Empire are saddened by your ignorance Matari. You who spat in our faces when we offered you God's light have condemned yourselves as apostates. Do not presume to speak for those who willingly board the golden ships and enter into the holy toil so as to become closer to God.
This Caldari you speak is constantly motivated by fear. Fear of his past, fear of his present, fear of the future it no doubt seems. Do you call acting in fear wise? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
167
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Posted - 2013.08.05 22:54:00 -
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Fae-haan,
May I respectfully suggest slightly more temperance in your choice of words-- and in your choice of enemies? If you will forgive the presumption, you seem to be a man whose perspectives on the world are still somewhat in flux. Perhaps it would be wise to limit the ... strength ... of your expressions until you are a little less likely to discover that the hatch you need to pass through is not one that you have welded shut? |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions
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Posted - 2013.08.06 07:22:00 -
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Adamance, you know nothing. You had the the audacity to mention the Dragonaurs to me, then you call me a coward. You think you have me figured out, but there is a power in me you can not know. I chose to leave that life. If you think I am motivated by fear, you are only half right. You fail to grasp what I am afraid of. I am not afraid of you, Templar, I can assure you of that.
My own actions may be subject to question, fine, but the truth of the Amarrs' sins are undeniable. A race that holds another against its will is one thing, but you Imperials have done a particularly wonderful job of exercising this evil. Toxins, viruses, collars, neural implants, and all the brutality expected of a religions inquisition have featured in your 'benevolent' history. If you truly symbolize the will of your god, than I would rather be wicked than righteous. The actions of the Amarr are unforgivable. Actions that I have seen firsthand.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1029
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Posted - 2013.08.06 11:45:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Adamance, you know nothing. You had the the audacity to mention the Dragonaurs to me, then you call me a coward. You think you have me figured out, but there is a power in me you can not know. I chose to leave that life. If you think I am motivated by fear, you are only half right. You fail to grasp what I am afraid of. I am not afraid of you, Templar, I can assure you of that.
My own actions may be subject to question, fine, but the truth of the Amarrs' sins are undeniable. A race that holds another against its will is one thing, but you Imperials have done a particularly wonderful job of exercising this evil. Toxins, viruses, collars, neural implants, and all the brutality expected of a religions inquisition have featured in your 'benevolent' history. If you truly symbolize the will of your god, than I would rather be wicked than righteous. The actions of the Amarr are unforgivable. Actions that I have seen firsthand.
I don't need your fear only for you to cease and desist your slanderous nonsense you were speaking. I apologise. Sometime in my fervour I speak out of turn.
I will not begin to argue the Amarrian moral stand point on Slavery to yet another soul who either has not listened or will refuse to since no one racial group in this cluster is without sin.
Fae you have spoken time and time again about double standards in this galaxy. Why do you hold the so called sins of the Amarr to be that much worse than any other group?
(( also OOC I wont every respond to anecdotal lore reasons for anything because as I know most RPers back stories change to suit themselves or I will respond to them with my own anecdotal lore stories god knows Im writing one about a thankful matari slave right now)) |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
87
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:12:00 -
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Ok im not here building utopia or promoting communism,im just saying the time is coming when the foundations of every factions will be shattered to pieces,and what i have read people answers to my original thread,it is clear they are siding to their faction.But we will see what side they take when the time comes,and those opinions of mine what happens is only one way it could end.Maybe the factions win and we lose,but this i say to you all,when the time come it will change every thing in new eden. Things are allready in motion,little things are happening around new eden what in-time is getting bigger and start breaking faction alliances.Last thing i want ask you all,if your factions leaders had give you change to decide if you want to allied with another faction,what you would you have said? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
170
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:11:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:But we will see what side they take when the time comes,and those opinions of mine what happens is only one way it could end.Maybe the factions win and we lose,but this i say to you all,when the time come it will change every thing in new eden. It is better that we side with our factions than that we side with our infomorph kin. We clone soldiers are precisely that-- soldiers; at least for the present, few of us have imperial ambitions.
Certain capsuleers, however, have long felt that they should be the ones to rule. Most of these have forgotten their humanity; they are at once ruthless and careless with the lives of others. Some even believe they are gods.
If we come to such a choice, it seems better that such "gods" should perish than that humanity should be forced to exist under their rule.
Quote:Last thing i want ask you all,if your factions leaders had give you change to decide if you want to allied with another faction,what you would you have said? We are, to some degree, free agents-- we do have that option. Or did you mean if we could rearrange our factions' alliances to suit us?
If that is so, then, despite Fae-haan's remarks, I do believe that the State's alliances are configured as they must be. We may have more in common with the Matari than with the Amarr, but the Gallente are enemies to the State in a much more immediate fashion than the Empire, and the Matari will not soon be siding with us in that war. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions
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Posted - 2013.08.06 19:34:00 -
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We Caldari also value cultural identity. Further more, you empress was chosen out of a system of a nepotistic theocratic caste, not personal virtue. A complete idiot could... And I can only assume has at some point... Inherit the role of a priest of high value in the church if that is where their family is based in.
You argue that the Matar shall ascend to the position befitting their toil, though I suppose that won't matter. Every race in your empire will always be forced to live under the True Amarr. Ironic, considering I don't think anyone in your family has ever had to endure the hardships of slavery.
None of you seem to grasp what I mean when I talk about double standards. I suppose that is my fault. I am not advocating complacency, incomplacency, or (spirits forbid) passive-aggression. I am trying to explain that there is no point kerfuffling over the technicalities of absolutes and you must learn to just act based on what you feel must be done. Though to be honest, I find it hard to think of any downside to the removal of the Amarr Empire.
((Probably a fair call deciding to ignore personal backstories. Then again, there is more than enough PF to support anything I would have thrown out there. Templar One taught me everything I need to know to hate the Amarr as a person, but my character has no way of knowing that. Believe me, if he knew what had happened he would be far more outspoken then he already is.)) |
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