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Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.04 13:17:00 -
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A TWO ton vehicule hits a 250 kg animal = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AOk_9fZtHY
A TWO ton LAV hits a 250 kg HEAVY = http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Bpffd9WDHPU&t=15
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Ynned Ivanova
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.08.04 14:02:00 -
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Did the car have shields and armour, nope, move along, nothing to see here. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
642
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Posted - 2013.08.04 14:04:00 -
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pretty sure we have shields and armor as well, since this power armor we are probably significantly heavier then the horse as well, so it would be back to the horse example. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.04 14:07:00 -
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These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.04 14:07:00 -
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If you think the horse survived you are a moron. also, shame on you for linking a video where people were hurt, not to mention the death of an animal .
Bad form. You should be ashamed.. |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
30
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:03:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:If you think the horse survived you are a moron. also, shame on you for linking a video where people were hurt, not to mention the death of an animal .
Bad form. You should be ashamed..
WAW ... You actually pulled the moral and ethics card up your sleeve |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
30
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:09:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius.
And there are supposed to be heavy armored heavy shielded heavy mechanised military suits from the future not your fathers piece of crap donkey |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:12:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius. And there are supposed to be heavy armored heavy shielded heavy mechanised military suits from the future not your fathers piece of crap donkey the car would of been fine if he only drove straight after the hit just like one in dust. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:15:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius. And there are supposed to be heavy armored heavy shielded heavy mechanised military suits from the future not your fathers piece of crap donkey
My father's donkey doesn't weigh 250kg, like the horse AND heavy in your examples, but that's still just an unarmored, unshielded civilian vehicle hitting that horse.
Dig up a video of an armored military vehicle hitting that same horse, and your comparison might be considered somewhat valid. |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
30
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:20:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius. And there are supposed to be heavy armored heavy shielded heavy mechanised military suits from the future not your fathers piece of crap donkey My father's donkey doesn't weigh 250kg, like the horse AND heavy in your examples, but that's still just an unarmored, unshielded civilian vehicle hitting that horse. Dig up a video of an armored military vehicle hitting that same horse, and your comparison might be considered somewhat valid.
Okay since videos don't help you understand I pretty much think that asking you if you are familiar with how kinetic energy works is pretty much useless right?
I understand my examples won't suffice so shall I try to find a video of an actual armored cabriolet jeep with real shielding crushing a real soldier wearing a real dropsuit made of armored plates which is shielded with a barrier as well ? And maybe some naked videos of Rhianna while I am at it ?
You really amuse me |
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Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
30
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:22:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius. And there are supposed to be heavy armored heavy shielded heavy mechanised military suits from the future not your fathers piece of crap donkey the car would of been fine if he only drove straight after the hit just like one in dust.
Let me put it this way : have you ever hit a dog at 60mp/h with your car and what was the damage to both of them ?
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Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:32:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius. And there are supposed to be heavy armored heavy shielded heavy mechanised military suits from the future not your fathers piece of crap donkey My father's donkey doesn't weigh 250kg, like the horse AND heavy in your examples, but that's still just an unarmored, unshielded civilian vehicle hitting that horse. Dig up a video of an armored military vehicle hitting that same horse, and your comparison might be considered somewhat valid. Okay since videos don't help you understand I pretty much think that asking you if you are familiar with how kinetic energy works is pretty much useless right? I understand my examples won't suffice so shall I try to find a video of an actual armored cabriolet jeep with real shielding crushing a real soldier wearing a real dropsuit made of armored plates which is shielded with a barrier as well ? And maybe some naked videos of Rhianna while I am at it ? You really amuse me
Your example is fundamentally flawed because you are showing an UNARMORED civilian vehicle that is designed to colapse upon impact and absorb it's kinetic energy, hitting what (at 250kg) is the equivalent of a fully armored heavy, and comparing it to an ARMORED vehicle hitting THE SAME MASS!
Are you sure YOU understand how kinetic energy works?
Again, show me a an armored military vehicle hitting a horse, and you might have a legitimate comparison. |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
30
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:42:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:These are supposed to be armored and shielded military vehicles, from the future, not your mom's piece of crap 1998 Toyota Prius. And there are supposed to be heavy armored heavy shielded heavy mechanised military suits from the future not your fathers piece of crap donkey My father's donkey doesn't weigh 250kg, like the horse AND heavy in your examples, but that's still just an unarmored, unshielded civilian vehicle hitting that horse. Dig up a video of an armored military vehicle hitting that same horse, and your comparison might be considered somewhat valid. Okay since videos don't help you understand I pretty much think that asking you if you are familiar with how kinetic energy works is pretty much useless right? I understand my examples won't suffice so shall I try to find a video of an actual armored cabriolet jeep with real shielding crushing a real soldier wearing a real dropsuit made of armored plates which is shielded with a barrier as well ? And maybe some naked videos of Rhianna while I am at it ? You really amuse me Your example is fundamentally flawed because you are showing an UNARMORED civilian vehicle that is designed to colapse upon impact and absorb it's kinetic energy, hitting what (at 250kg) is the equivalent of a fully armored heavy, and comparing it to an ARMORED vehicle hitting THE SAME MASS! Are you sure YOU understand how kinetic energy works? Again, show me a an armored military vehicle hitting a horse, and you might have a legitimate comparison.
What are you not saying is that if the vehicule was to be armored the horse should have been armored as well doesn't that change things a bit eh ? Just for YOUR example to be correct ;) |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:49:00 -
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250 kgs is 250 kgs.
A 250kg horse has the same mass as a 250kg heavy, whether it is armored or not.
Basic physics. You're arguing concepts you obviously don't comprehend. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
209
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:52:00 -
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there are any number of crash test video's out there, the science is solid, as far as our contemporary vehicles go.
Bad form for posting a video such as this, glady reported and hopefully removed :P
as all posts above dealing with the subject matter are stating, your analog simply does not fit what is happening in game.
may i add that the horses centre of gravity is alot higher thAn a humans, as is evidenced in the horrid video you linked :P
appalling self control OP |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
30
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:56:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:there are any number of crash test video's out there, the science is solid, as far as our contemporary vehicles go.
Bad form for posting a video such as this, glady reported and hopefully removed :P
as all posts above dealing with the subject matter are stating, your analog simply does not fit what is happening in game.
may i add that the horses centre of gravity is alot higher thAn a humans, as is evidenced in the horrid video you linked :P
appalling self control OP
So you area against violent videos YET you request a video oh a car hiting humans ? I do not understand ?
About the center of gravity . Exactly thank you for prooving my point I was thinking of mentioning it in the post but It felt not needed cause it is a well knon fact that if the center of gravity was a lot lower as of a person and weight was the same = 250 KG the car would have been completely destroyed |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:59:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Billi Gene wrote:there are any number of crash test video's out there, the science is solid, as far as our contemporary vehicles go.
Bad form for posting a video such as this, glady reported and hopefully removed :P
as all posts above dealing with the subject matter are stating, your analog simply does not fit what is happening in game.
may i add that the horses centre of gravity is alot higher thAn a humans, as is evidenced in the horrid video you linked :P
appalling self control OP So you area against violent videos YET you request a video oh a car hiting humans ? I do not understand ?
Obviously, because he made no such request. Read his post again. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2271
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Posted - 2013.08.04 15:59:00 -
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At this point, I think people do see dev posts, they just choose to ignore them. |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
30
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:00:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:250 kgs is 250 kgs.
A 250kg horse has the same mass as a 250kg heavy, whether it is armored or not.
Basic physics. You're arguing concepts you obviously don't comprehend.
Yes mass is always the same 250 is 250 what is not the same is hitting a 250KG concrete block ( an amarr heavy ) and hitting a 250 horse that is made of flesh and bones wich are alot more shock absorbing materials .
After all punching an 80 kg human beeing is not the same as punching 80 KG of concrete or armor plates is it not ?
thank you again for helping me to make my point |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
209
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:01:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Billi Gene wrote:there are any number of crash test video's out there, the science is solid, as far as our contemporary vehicles go.
Bad form for posting a video such as this, glady reported and hopefully removed :P
as all posts above dealing with the subject matter are stating, your analog simply does not fit what is happening in game.
may i add that the horses centre of gravity is alot higher thAn a humans, as is evidenced in the horrid video you linked :P
appalling self control OP So you area against violent videos YET you request a video oh a car hiting humans ? I do not understand ? About the center of gravity . Exactly thank you for prooving my point I was thinking of mentioning it in the post but It felt not needed cause it is a well knon fact that if the center of gravity was a lot lower as of a person and weight was the same = 250 KG the car would have been completely destroyed
actually i was saying that I am sure there are many better Simulations, most using human analogs, that are the direct result of testing within the automotive industry.
I'm sure you might understand at some point but then again you may not, up to you really |
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Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:09:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:250 kgs is 250 kgs.
A 250kg horse has the same mass as a 250kg heavy, whether it is armored or not.
Basic physics. You're arguing concepts you obviously don't comprehend. Yes mass is always the same 250 is 250 what is not the same is hitting a 250KG concrete block ( an amarr heavy ) and hitting a 250 horse that is made of flesh and bones wich are alot more shock absorbing materials . After all punching an 80 kg human beeing is not the same as punching 80 KG of concrete or armor plates is it not ? thank you again for helping me to make my point
Thanks for proving you still have no idea what you're talking about. |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
32
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:09:00 -
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You know guys . I see you are loving your playstyle and have nothing against it so I will let the matter to rest .
Do what you want to do , run people over with LAVs or what not , it is up to you It is a free game after all .
I was simply mocking the current physics engine of the game but you are obviously so hurt by the simple proof I posted that you are flaging the topic for violence and bad behavior and stuff
It is okay I won't hurt your precious LAVs ... I was just joking around .
It prooves tho how ofended you are by simply spreading the obvious truth around and how scared you are of CCP changing the behavior of the vehicles you so much adore .
Its fine it's okay ... but just so know I may not be one of those 90% of the players in the game that hates people who use the murder taxi playstyle but I still disagree with it .
Peace out , Hasa |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:16:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:You know guys . I see you are loving your playstyle and have nothing against it so I will let the matter to rest . Do what you want to do , run people over with LAVs or what not , it is up to you It is a free game after all . I was simply mocking the current physics engine of the game but you are obviously so hurt by the simple proof I posted that you are flaging the topic for violence and bad behavior and stuff It is okay I won't hurt your precious LAVs ... I was just joking around . It prooves tho how ofended you are by simply spreading the obvious truth around and how scared you are of CCP changing the behavior of the vehicles you so much adore . Its fine it's okay ... but just so know I may not be one of those 90% of the players in the game that hates people who use the murder taxi playstyle but I still disagree with it . Peace out , Hasa
P.S Because of this the game is bleeding so many people every day that soon it will be called GRAN TURISMO 514 cause all thats left on the battlefield would be LAVs chasing each other I hope you are proud that because of people like that CCP is loosing popularity and players , which in the end of the day equals to a decline in profit |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
209
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:20:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:You know guys . I see you are loving your playstyle and have nothing against it so I will let the matter to rest . Do what you want to do , run people over with LAVs or what not , it is up to you It is a free game after all . I was simply mocking the current physics engine of the game but you are obviously so hurt by the simple proof I posted that you are flaging the topic for violence and bad behavior and stuff It is okay I won't hurt your precious LAVs ... I was just joking around . It prooves tho how ofended you are by simply spreading the obvious truth around and how scared you are of CCP changing the behavior of the vehicles you so much adore . Its fine it's okay ... but just so know I may not be one of those 90% of the players in the game that hates people who use the murder taxi playstyle but I still disagree with it . Peace out , Hasa
Hasa, your motivation for posting that video were more than obvious. and more to the point, It was not a proof, if you wanted proof you should have used crash test dummy footage, of which we could all appreciate the damage that something much small than a Heavy suit, can wrought upon a vehicle. Growing up out in the country, I can inform you that cows do a superb job of reducing old 1970's/80's steel chassis and steel body panel toyota landcruisers to so much debris, when hit at speeds of 80km/h and above.
but we arent dealing with real world physics and vehicles are we?
so.. as annoying as murder taxi's are, how about just waiting to see what the DEV's have in store with the next couple of updates :P... which *shock horror* contain vehicle balances.
+1internets for at least trying :P
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Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:25:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:You know guys . I see you are loving your playstyle and have nothing against it so I will let the matter to rest . Do what you want to do , run people over with LAVs or what not , it is up to you It is a free game after all . I was simply mocking the current physics engine of the game but you are obviously so hurt by the simple proof I posted that you are flaging the topic for violence and bad behavior and stuff It is okay I won't hurt your precious LAVs ... I was just joking around . It prooves tho how ofended you are by simply spreading the obvious truth around and how scared you are of CCP changing the behavior of the vehicles you so much adore . Its fine it's okay ... but just so know I may not be one of those 90% of the players in the game that hates people who use the murder taxi playstyle but I still disagree with it . Peace out , Hasa Hasa, your motivation for posting that video were more than obvious. and more to the point, It was not a proof, if you wanted proof you should have used crash test dummy footage, of which we could all appreciate the damage that something much small than a Heavy suit, can wrought upon a vehicle. Growing up out in the country, I can inform you that cows do a superb job of reducing old 1970's/80's steel chassis and steel body panel toyota landcruisers to so much debris, when hit at speeds of 80km/h and above. but we arent dealing with real world physics and vehicles are we? so.. as annoying as murder taxi's are, how about just waiting to see what the DEV's have in store with the next couple of updates :P... which *shock horror* contain vehicle balances. +1internets for at least trying :P
I agree , set aside physics what about frustration
A player recently told me that the game feels like playing call of duty in the middle of an interstate highway
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Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:41:00 -
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A lethal change in velocity in a collision is about 15mph.
This doesn't apply to a video game with made up physics with made up vehicles and made up armor against made up races. Basically what I'm saying is, comparing real world anything to a video game that isn't putting itself out there as a sim is stupid.
Just take out the dang collision damage. |
Hasa Hakira
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
32
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:46:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:A lethal change in velocity in a collision is about 15mph. This doesn't apply to a video game with made up physics with made up vehicles and made up armor against made up races. Basically what I'm saying is, comparing real world anything to a video game that isn't putting itself out there as a sim is stupid. Just take out the dang collision damage.
My point exactly but I was firstly mocking the issue and then got dragged in a physics discussion by the LAV fanbois |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
250
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:52:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:A lethal change in velocity in a collision is about 15mph. This doesn't apply to a video game with made up physics with made up vehicles and made up armor against made up races. Basically what I'm saying is, comparing real world anything to a video game that isn't putting itself out there as a sim is stupid. Just take out the dang collision damage. My point exactly but I was firstly mocking the issue and then got dragged in a physics discussion by the LAV fanbois
Fyi, I don't drive LAVs, nor did I ever defend their use as "murder-taxis".
Nice excuse, though. |
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