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Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:17:00 - [1] - Quote I was shooting this guy with my gek AR and i depleted my ammo and i switched to my ADV flaylock to finish him off as he only had about 50 health and i shot it under him and the radius did not get him i shot once again but i missed him and the other shot failed as well as the first one so i reloaded my gek AR and shot him as he tried away. This happens everytime and i have +15% radius on it as well.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 107	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:19:00 - [2] - Quote Nope
Leovarian L Lavitz Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 415	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:19:00 - [3] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: I was shooting this guy with my gek AR and i depleted my ammo and i switched to my ADV flaylock to finish him off as he only had about 50 health and i shot it under him and the radius did not get him i shot once again but i missed him and the other shot failed as well as the first one so i reloaded my gek AR and shot him as he tried away. This happens everytime and i have +15% radius on it as well. You can't shoot under him, you have to shoot his foot.
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 463	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:20:00 - [4] - Quote Did he died?
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:20:00 - [5] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Nope MAKE SENSE BEFORE YOU SAY THINGS!!!
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:21:00 - [6] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: Did he died? Yes
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 107	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:21:00 - [7] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Nope MAKE SENSE BEFORE YOU SAY THINGS!!! Whoops
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 463	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:22:00 - [8] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Allah's Snackbar wrote: Did he died? Yes Sad story bro.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:22:00 - [9] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Nope MAKE SENSE BEFORE YOU SAY THINGS!!! Whoops DAMN RIGHT!!!
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 107	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:26:00 - [10] - Quote Come at me

XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 767	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:30:00 - [11] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: I was shooting this guy with my gek AR and i depleted my ammo and i switched to my ADV flaylock to finish him off as he only had about 50 health and i shot it under him and the radius did not get him i shot once again but i missed him and the other shot failed as well as the first one so i reloaded my gek AR and shot him as he tried away fortunetly he died by my gek AR. This happens everytime and i have +15% radius on it as well. Sounds like lag/poor hit detection played a role in this. Don't forget that lag and hit detection will always exist and lot of the time weapons of all kinds hit and cause no damage at times.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 2865	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:31:00 - [12] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: I was shooting this guy with my gek AR and i depleted my ammo and i switched to my ADV flaylock to finish him off as he only had about 50 health and i shot it under him and the radius did not get him i shot once again but i missed him and the other shot failed as well as the first one so i reloaded my gek AR and shot him as he tried away fortunetly he died by my gek AR. This happens everytime and i have +15% radius on it as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFo2e-3lT2U
Thumb Green Novashift 251	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:38:00 - [13] - Quote This isn't a flaylock issue. I've seen people run right over grenades as they exploded without taking damage. Like Xero said, lag/poor hit detection.
Scottie MaCallan Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:40:00 - [14] - Quote as a flaylock 4 lyfe user, the old ADV flaylock's radius felt like it was just barely too small to hit jumping targets 100% of the time if you just aim for the ground, it's pretty easy to hit in front/behind/to the side of them if you're just spamming for AOE shots. Which is why I don't spam for AOE, I shoot a little more carefully than that. The new proto stats place it at the old ADV. level tl;dr learn how to aim, flaylock nerf was designed to stop spam like what you just described.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:08:00 - [15] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Smooth Assassin wrote: I was shooting this guy with my gek AR and i depleted my ammo and i switched to my ADV flaylock to finish him off as he only had about 50 health and i shot it under him and the radius did not get him i shot once again but i missed him and the other shot failed as well as the first one so i reloaded my gek AR and shot him as he tried away fortunetly he died by my gek AR. This happens everytime and i have +15% radius on it as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFo2e-3lT2U I just watched that before you posted this :D coincidence
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:09:00 - [16] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Come at me You wouldn't want me to.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1558	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:11:00 - [17] - Quote Maybe you should try shooting the enemy instead of the ground
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:13:00 - [18] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Maybe you should try shooting the enemy instead of the ground Terrible! unless if your a good shot maybe. But they move fast unless your fighting MLT users lawl watch em fire up in the sky
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 356	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:14:00 - [19] - Quote You do know that the radius was nerfed right? You have to actually aim better to kill anyone with the flaylock. And cool story btw. -XOXO
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 619	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:18:00 - [20] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Maybe you should try shooting the enemy instead of the ground This would be viable if the FL rounds didn't have a habit of passing through people.

Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:22:00 - [21] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You do know that the radius was nerfed right? You have to actually aim better to kill anyone with the flaylock. And cool story btw. -XOXO It was right under his feets and did not deal damage to him!
Queen of Uranus Dust514 Forum Trolls 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:25:00 - [22] - Quote Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt.
Bethhy Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 42	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:00:00 - [23] - Quote Flaylock reduced efficiency worked perfect its damage and blast radius(to a point) was a good balance. The problem isn't with the reduced stats it's with the game mechanics of the Flaylock that seems to be more inherent now that it has been "tweaked" Example; When a target is jumping and just leaving the ground, or has any vertical height... it seems the blast radius doesn't register over 80% of the time so a vertical target is basically immune from blast radius calculations, and its even noticeable when trying to shoot off back's of walls and inclined hills. Registry period. I have died to multiple targets with hitting direct impact shots off them with their armor below 50%, it doing no damage to them but killing myself with over triple the HP, this was just the first couple days. After further attention you'll notice a lot of direct impact shots hitting targets and even activating the suit hit animations and sounds but no damage appearing on health.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2653	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:25:00 - [24] - Quote The radius is pointless. Might as well just take away the splash. The splash on the normal flaylocks is barely any larger than the splash on breach flaylocks. What does that tell you?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1438	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:45:00 - [25] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt. Hail AR 514, hail king AR.
Chris F2112 187. 290	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:53:00 - [26] - Quote As a flaylock user, I have come across some of the same problems. I still like my flaylock, but I feel like an SMG might be just better at this point. I think increasing the blast radius on the core flaylock to 1.75 would be a little bit better at balancing the weapon against other sidearms in close quarters. I do like the damage where it is now though. It can no longer wipe out heavies in a couple hits, a major improvement to the balance of the weapon.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 109	Posted - 2013.08.04 03:16:00 - [27] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt. This is just lol. Also come at me.
Bethhy Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2013.08.04 03:33:00 - [28] - Quote Hit detection is massive. It's like number 3 on the list of 5 things to do to make a FPS game. Somehow CCP think's they can be lazy with it in DUST, because people don't often die with 1-3 bullets like CoD or BF3. The Flaylock nerf is one of the better attempts CCP has made at balancing... But that's the big problem right there... They are still balancing and have only made "improvements" to things like Aiming systems, User interface, Hit detection, frame rate, gameplay diversity.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 65	Posted - 2013.08.04 03:36:00 - [29] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Maybe you should try shooting the enemy instead of the ground This would be viable if the FL rounds didn't have a habit of passing through people. I agree. They only needed a dmg nerf not a radius. It made it worse than how the mass driver was before they fixed it recently. Ofccourse people will troll us for saying the nerf fked it up but idc. I can own them with my nova knifes and my huge selection of advanced weaponry :)
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 635	Posted - 2013.08.04 06:18:00 - [30] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Hit detection is massive. It's like number 3 on the list of 5 things to do to make a FPS game. Somehow CCP think's they can be lazy with it in DUST, because people don't often die with 1-3 bullets like CoD or BF3. The Flaylock nerf is one of the better attempts CCP has made at balancing... But that's the big problem right there... They are still balancing and have only made "improvements" to things like Aiming systems, User interface, Hit detection, frame rate, gameplay diversity. +1. By far the most important and critical comment in this thread. I use the Flaylock and i like the nerf, however....until the core shooter mechanics are actually working weapons, suits and vehicles simply cannot be meaningfully balanced. Things balanced now will have to be re-balanced if CCP ever gets their FPS act together. And if they don't get their act together it's all pointless, because there will be nothing left to balance.

Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 254	Posted - 2013.08.04 06:27:00 - [31] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: I was shooting this guy with my gek AR and i depleted my ammo and i switched to my ADV flaylock to finish him off as he only had about 50 health and i shot it under him and the radius did not get him i shot once again but i missed him and the other shot failed as well as the first one so i reloaded my gek AR and shot him as he tried away fortunetly he died by my gek AR. This happens everytime and i have +15% radius on it as well. Imagine the tears if you were a MD user from 1.0 and 1.1. The "Dark Age" as we Massholes call it. Our weapon works again, and now everyone hates us. Go figure...
Queen of Uranus Dust514 Forum Trolls 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 06:49:00 - [32] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt. This is just lol. Also come at me. Ok I'm here with you at the little kids table. Now what moar QQjuice?
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 66	Posted - 2013.08.04 06:55:00 - [33] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt. This is just lol. Also come at me. Ok I'm here with you at the little kids table. Now what moar QQjuice? Dust forum trolls I see. You're a horrid troll, please leave that corporation and come back once you're an educated troll. Thank you good sir.
Queen of Uranus Dust514 Forum Trolls 21	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:03:00 - [34] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt. This is just lol. Also come at me. Ok I'm here with you at the little kids table. Now what moar QQjuice? Dust forum trolls I see. You're a horrid troll, please leave that corporation and come back once you're an educated troll. Thank you good sir. Are you his GF or did I knock your juice over?
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 68	Posted - 2013.08.04 13:40:00 - [35] - Quote Queen of Uranus wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt. This is just lol. Also come at me. Ok I'm here with you at the little kids table. Now what moar QQjuice? Dust forum trolls I see. You're a horrid troll, please leave that corporation and come back once you're an educated troll. Thank you good sir. Are you his GF or did I knock your juice over? Is that all you got? Damn, I'd thought you'd be better at trolling. knock my juice over? It's okay, you have no self esteem in your real life so you try to be a cyber thug to boost it. Maybe that explains why you have that name.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2013.08.05 00:47:00 - [36] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Queen of Uranus wrote: Flaylock requires some skill other than spray and pray now. Adapt. This is just lol. Also come at me. No YOU COME AT ME!!!!! We should play together sometime.


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