DUST Search - how should i tank my minmatar logi? Suggestions appreciated.

cedz636 wrote:

Ok, so, I have an ALT and I have chose the Minmatar Logi suit based on it's racial perks (hacking buff). I feel that in certain matches, this fit would benefit my corp. I am up to hacking lv. 3, and i gotta admit, i am loving this fit so far. the only thing that is stumping me is the total HP. as most of you know, the minmatar logi suit is base *roughly* 90 shield, 150 armor. it is my intent to fit as many codebreaker mods into the low slots as i can...firstly because of the racial benefit, and secondly because there is no stacking penalty. soooooooo that leaves me with survivability. at proto, min logo has 4 hi, 4 lo. how would i go about tanking this drop suit knowing that all of the low slots will be filled with codebreakers? shield extenders all the way? even that would leave me with what......around 300 shield? total around 500hp? i'm just estimating the actual numbers...just looking for some insight. this is an ALT after all. thanks for any input.

EDIT - I've gotten some great suggestions, and have reconsidered filling all 4 lows with the code breakers, and decided to dual tank a bit. I'm now thinkin' 2 codebreakers, ferroscale plate, catalyzer...hopefully it all fits...and 3 extenders and a recharger up high. I still need to get my core skills to lv. 5, as i jumped right into the hacking skill so I could start playing the roll right away. SMG is the weapon of choice. love the feedback, mercs

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cedz636 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 69	Posted - 2013.08.02 06:44:00 - [1] - Quote Ok, so, I have an ALT and I have chose the Minmatar Logi suit based on it's racial perks (hacking buff). I feel that in certain matches, this fit would benefit my corp. I am up to hacking lv. 3, and i gotta admit, i am loving this fit so far. the only thing that is stumping me is the total HP. as most of you know, the minmatar logi suit is base roughly 90 shield, 150 armor. it is my intent to fit as many codebreaker mods into the low slots as i can...firstly because of the racial benefit, and secondly because there is no stacking penalty. soooooooo that leaves me with survivability. at proto, min logo has 4 hi, 4 lo. how would i go about tanking this drop suit knowing that all of the low slots will be filled with codebreakers? shield extenders all the way? even that would leave me with what......around 300 shield? total around 500hp? i'm just estimating the actual numbers...just looking for some insight. this is an ALT after all. thanks for any input.
Bendtner92 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 829	Posted - 2013.08.02 06:48:00 - [2] - Quote If you filled the low slots with Codebreakers as you said, then Shield Extenders all the way. You'll end up with around 400 shields to go with that 150 armor. You can also dualtank it by using one or two Ferroscale Plates (yes I said that). With two Ferroscale Plates you'll end up with 250-300 armor.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 79	Posted - 2013.08.02 06:49:00 - [3] - Quote Since the recent update I would recommend freeing up a low for a regulator
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 545	Posted - 2013.08.02 07:03:00 - [4] - Quote Would switch out a codebreaker for a Complex Kinetic myself. Speed means more survivability and being where you want to be faster. The chief advantage we have over granny hackers is we can exploit far narrower windows of opportunity. Part of this is having the speed to get in there and capitalise on that brief opportunity. As for tanking, within your given constraint seems a simple enough matter of running Extenders. I'd go full buffer myself for a MinLogi and just be cautious within the prolonged downtime after being wounded. That extra health could be the difference that makes the hack go through or allows you to escape afterwards. If you could ditch the codebreakers for one fit it is also possible to dual-tank it. Hive/T-Hive/Needle/Wildcard build for running with Heavies and Gallente mediums comes to mind. 2 Ferroscales, Enhanced Vanilla, 4th low for a Kinetic? Gain an armour buffer to better benefit from your Triage Hives while still being faster than most at a sprint. If the speed don't matter to ya maybe another Enhanced Plate. Might also make the 4th low your compromise, fitting a CPU/PG booster, so there's also that. Minny is versatile. Don't lock yourself into thinking it'll only really perform with one kind of setup, experiment.
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 364	Posted - 2013.08.02 07:30:00 - [5] - Quote with the mini logi the most you need is 2 codebreakers so generally a hack suit will want 3-4 complex shield extenders 0-1 10% damage mod 1cpu mod (if you need it) 1-2 basic plates and your 1-2 codebreakers
Calamity Jane II TeamPlayers EoN. 147	Posted - 2013.08.02 07:47:00 - [6] - Quote I have proto mini logi, i could post a few numbers for you and builds and tell you what fits what doesn't fit. only discrepancy is that I don't know what weapon you will be using so i can't calculate for the total cpu/pg use on the suit. I do have most if not all core stats at lvl 5 too so if i knew a bit more about your points spread i could try to tell you what will fit and what you will need to work on.
dustwaffle Gravity Prone EoN. 275	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:42:00 - [7] - Quote broonfondle majikthies wrote: Since the recent update I would recommend freeing up a low for a regulator MINMATAR not CALDARI
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 24	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:46:00 - [8] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: broonfondle majikthies wrote: Since the recent update I would recommend freeing up a low for a regulator MINMATAR not CALDARI All logi's got their recharge times nerfed a bit and right now the best thing to do is shield tank with the minmatar
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 365	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:52:00 - [9] - Quote Delta90212 wrote: dustwaffle wrote: broonfondle majikthies wrote: Since the recent update I would recommend freeing up a low for a regulator MINMATAR not CALDARI All logi's got their recharge times nerfed a bit and right now the best thing to do is shield tank with the minmatar the best thing to do is dual tank extenders in highs, plates in lows you can of course do pretty odd things instead (extenders and stam/speed mods) hack mods ( 3 second hacking) shields with high regen (not terribly effective loses the advantages of 10 m/s speed and its regen isnt all that great even if fully dedicated to the task) high armor and damage mods in the highs (week in current build due to the reign of explosives but very well suited to long range combat) its one of the most versetile suits, its not going to be the BEST at any of these roles but it can do ALL of these roles. minmatar are the jack of all trades
Delta90212 Dust2Dust. Top Men. 25	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:58:00 - [10] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Delta90212 wrote: dustwaffle wrote: broonfondle majikthies wrote: Since the recent update I would recommend freeing up a low for a regulator MINMATAR not CALDARI All logi's got their recharge times nerfed a bit and right now the best thing to do is shield tank with the minmatar the best thing to do is dual tank extenders in highs, plates in lows you can of course do pretty odd things instead (extenders and stam/speed mods) hack mods ( 3 second hacking) shields with high regen (not terribly effective loses the advantages of 10 m/s speed and its regen isnt all that great even if fully dedicated to the task) high armor and damage mods in the highs (week in current build due to the reign of explosives but very well suited to long range combat) its one of the most versetile suits, its not going to be the BEST at any of these roles but it can do ALL of these roles. minmatar are the jack of all trades Yeah but still its good to tank shields and put kinetic and cardiac in low slots and one feroscale plate (ADV version)

Cosgar ParagonX 3824	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:11:00 - [11] - Quote I'm actually working on this exact same fitting and had a similar one with the speedy logi suits back in Chromosome. Since they homogenized the logi suits, I've found it a bit harder to recreate the fitting since the stamina and regen was so crazy back then, you really need a cardiac regulator- even more thanks to the stamina nerf. Anyway, focus on a complex kin cat, that's literally going to be your lifeline and that extra speed to cover the map is a huge deal. Next, try to get at least an enhanced cardiac regulator to maintain that sustained running. Some people would suggest dual kin cats, but I've always preferred sustained running over just having the diminished return from 2 speed mods. Last but not least, your code breakers. Depending on your weapon and equipment you might only be able to fit a singe complex but I'm only up to enhanced right now and they work like a dream. High slots, all shields or 3 and a complex energizer depending on your remaing PG. As far as equipment goes, I usually ran with a stable uplink, RE, and had different fitting based on the final slot. Primary weapon is a little tricky with this one though. I'd say shotgun hands down, but with hit detection still iffy, you'd have better luck with nova knives. AR is always good if you can fit it, but if not, go for an ASMG. Range cap in 1.0 made it viable as a primary, 1.3 has made it ridiculously better and if you're good for a bargain in CPU/PG. If all else fails and you don't have your core skills maxed, there's always the Flaylock which is still stupidly good, don't let anyone tell you different. Just keep in mind that this isn't a fitting meant to go head to head with anyone. Stay away from the team and hack peripheral objectives and instillations, keeping them under your team's control for as long as possible. This is overall a fun build to use and can easily turn the tide of a match. WP gains aren't half bad either. My last record with this was ~3900 on the Ashland map, keeping all the instillations under my team's control. Last but not least, never, ever use this fit on Manus Peak.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 80	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:14:00 - [12] - Quote I recommended the regulator because to my mind all suits need at least one. 8-10 sec with your shields down can seem a very long time hiding in a corner waiting for a recharge. Yes I wouldn't put it on the basic suit as it needs the plates but is certainly an option for the more advanced ones. Its a suggestion, I would never tell someone what to do. The beauty of the Min suit is you can drop around 6% speed due to armour and it still (ok only just) be faster than the other medium suits.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1766	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:39:00 - [13] - Quote Just stand behind a heavy a repair him :D
cedz636 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2013.08.02 18:44:00 - [14] - Quote Thanks everybody who gave advice...I have some great ideas as far as which direction to go in. As far as the weapon, I chose to skill into the SMG when I started the ALT, so since most confrontations will be close quarters, I'm not gonna deviate from that. It didn't even cross my mind to dual tank...but with base HP like the MinLogi, I suppose that's my most viable option...survivability and speed, along with a quick hack. Definitely not a front line merc, but I enjoy the roll and the teamwork involved to pull it off effectively. Thanks again everybody. Keep the suggestions coming.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 577	Posted - 2013.08.02 18:50:00 - [15] - Quote my .02 4 proto shield extenders (maybe 3 extenders and 1 regen) 1 proto shield regulator 1 proto sprint mod 1 proto stamina mod 1 proto code breaker
Cosgar ParagonX 3832	Posted - 2013.08.02 18:52:00 - [16] - Quote This topic makes me miss the T-II, B-Series, and VK.0 logi suits even more...
cedz636 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 76	Posted - 2013.08.02 19:03:00 - [17] - Quote I've gotten some great suggestions, and have reconsidered filling all 4 lows with the code breakers, and decided to dual tank a bit. I'm now thinkin' 2 codebreakers, ferroscale plate, catalyzer...hopefully it all fits...and 3 extenders and a recharger up high. I still need to get my core skills to lv. 5, as i jumped right into the hacking skill so I could start playing the roll right away. SMG is the weapon of choice. love the feedback, mercs
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 509	Posted - 2013.08.02 19:05:00 - [18] - Quote keep in mind the minmatar logi hacking bonus is almost guaranteed to be changed entirely in the next few months.
cedz636 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 76	Posted - 2013.08.02 19:09:00 - [19] - Quote i was unaware. i'll have to theory craft with some different fits if that happens. i should still be able to pull of a decent hacker fit, even without the racial bonus. i say that now...then they take it away and i finally join the club and start a thread on how we should get respecs. hahaha, never. i'll take it like a man. might cry myself to sleep over why i grinded the past couple months away, but i'll never scream respec!!!!
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 557	Posted - 2013.08.02 19:18:00 - [20] - Quote Might still retain it. There's no definitive evidence suggesting we'll lose it, just acknowledging the possibility. At the very least those of us who went into Systems Hacking precisely because of it's synergy with the bonus will still be benefiting from that. Besides, the most obvious replacement for it is ewar and that ain't even in-game yet. ...Unless we pull the real dud and get a bonus to Remote Repair.

Cosgar ParagonX 3837	Posted - 2013.08.02 19:31:00 - [21] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: keep in mind the minmatar logi hacking bonus is almost guaranteed to be changed entirely in the next few months. I hope not, that's one of the best logi bonuses and the reason why I stuck with Minmatar over Gallente. There's a lot of people that probably made that decision. It's not like it's OP or something. Poplo Furuya wrote: Might still retain it. There's no definitive evidence suggesting we'll lose it, just acknowledging the possibility. At the very least those of us who went into Systems Hacking precisely because of it's synergy with the bonus will still be benefiting from that. Besides, the most obvious replacement for it is ewar and that ain't even in-game yet. ...Unless we pull the real dud and get a bonus to Remote Repair. That's even worse. Unless I'm babysitting heavies, I rarely use the tool anymore.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 577	Posted - 2013.08.02 20:08:00 - [22] - Quote all logi bonuses will likely get changed to things that are more "logi" specific. Things like equipment for one. It is hard to say weather CCP sees hacking as something in the logis role or if hacking is more assault or scout related.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 537	Posted - 2013.08.02 21:13:00 - [23] - Quote There's two ways to "tank" a minmatar logi. The first way is speed armor, and the second is speed shield. Every other way to fit a minmatar logi are for either logistical or infiltration purposes, which I will not get into. Speed Armor: 3 complex extenders (can replace one for a damage mod) 1 enhanced energizer 1 enhanced plate 1 basic plate 1 enhanced ferroscale plate (this plate nullifies the speed reduction of the other plates) 1 complex armor repair This gives me 321 shield with 30 shield recharge 380ish armor with 11.25 armor repair 6.89 sprint speed ____________________ Speed Shield: 4 complex extenders (or 3 and one energizer) 2 advanced regulators 2 complex kinetic katalzyers (can replace one for a complex/advanced codebreaker)
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2610	Posted - 2013.08.02 21:20:00 - [24] - Quote Here's how I did it on a standard minmatar logi- Shield extender Shield energizer Shield regulator Armor plates The plates give the majority of the eHP while the shields are a constantly-regenerating buffer.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 558	Posted - 2013.08.02 21:28:00 - [25] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: all logi bonuses will likely get changed to things that are more "logi" specific. Things like equipment for one. It is hard to say weather CCP sees hacking as something in the logis role or if hacking is more assault or scout related. It seems more obviously Logi than Assault. Hacking takes you out of the fight. In a standard squad makeup would the Assault hack while the Logi covers him or would the all-out combatant protect the tech while he gets to it? The real competition is with Scouts. ...why are we limited to one racial bonus, anyway? Couldn't they just keep the racial suit bonus while adding a racial equipment bonus?
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 678	Posted - 2013.08.02 21:29:00 - [26] - Quote I'd recommend a combination of kinetic katalizes, stam regulators, and code breakers on the slot (i'd use 1x kin kat, 1x stam reg, 2x code breaker (though you will prob need a CPU chip)). and on the high slots's shield extenders all the way.
TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2013.08.02 22:10:00 - [27] - Quote I used AUR for a proto suit so I could use four proto code breakers , and HOLY ****!! Things get hacked in 3 seconds. I would suggest spending SP n electronics since your gonna need the CPU, and anything else to reduce the consumption. Just make multiple fittings with the same general principles of what you want.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 300	Posted - 2013.08.02 22:17:00 - [28] - Quote cedz636 wrote: Ok, so, I have an ALT and I have chose the Minmatar Logi suit based on it's racial perks (hacking buff). I feel that in certain matches, this fit would benefit my corp. I am up to hacking lv. 3, and i gotta admit, i am loving this fit so far. the only thing that is stumping me is the total HP. as most of you know, the minmatar logi suit is base roughly 90 shield, 150 armor. it is my intent to fit as many codebreaker mods into the low slots as i can...firstly because of the racial benefit, and secondly because there is no stacking penalty. soooooooo that leaves me with survivability. at proto, min logo has 4 hi, 4 lo. how would i go about tanking this drop suit knowing that all of the low slots will be filled with codebreakers? shield extenders all the way? even that would leave me with what......around 300 shield? total around 500hp? i'm just estimating the actual numbers...just looking for some insight. this is an ALT after all. thanks for any input. EDIT - I've gotten some great suggestions, and have reconsidered filling all 4 lows with the code breakers, and decided to dual tank a bit. I'm now thinkin' 2 codebreakers, ferroscale plate, catalyzer...hopefully it all fits...and 3 extenders and a recharger up high. I still need to get my core skills to lv. 5, as i jumped right into the hacking skill so I could start playing the roll right away. SMG is the weapon of choice. love the feedback, mercs You can shield tank: 4 extenders or 3 + Speed You can armor tank: 1-2 extenders, 2 basic feroscale, 2 Basic or 1 basic 2 enhanced You can dual tank: 3 extenders, 3 plates You can speed tank: 2 extenders + 2 kin cat, 2 card reg. Pretty much you can do whatever you want, it really depends on what role you want to fill at that moment. Most versatile suit in the game by far.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 210	Posted - 2013.08.02 22:20:00 - [29] - Quote I saw a guy dual tanking in a minmatar logi he did very good he had around 360 shield and 360 armor
cedz636 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 77	Posted - 2013.08.02 22:50:00 - [30] - Quote I knew the MinLogi was versatile, but wow. This is some great stuff. I'm going to wind up building a few different fits and apply them to fit the situation at hand. Thank you all for the input. Greatly appreciated.



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