You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

How are you guys murderers anonymous

I give a damn:D Good post and nice job in local chat earlier today with the he/she troll lol:P

The problem with grouping people by SP is that SP gain is a linear progression that doesn't necessarily reflect player skill. If you start in the bottom tier, then as you gain SP you're going to eventually be bumped up to the next tier whether you've actually gotten better at the game or not. Your progression would be based on how often you play and whether you use boosters rather than you're actual skill level.

If the tiers are based on K/Dr however, then as you improve your K/Dr will improve and you'll get bumped to the next tier. If it turns out you weren't quite good enough to join that tier yet and you're outmatched then your K/Dr will reflect that and you'll get bumped back down to the lower tier until you can get it back up and keep it up consistently enough to stay in the next tier.

If your reasoning for SP based tiers has to do with access to higher level gear, I believe one of the things CCP already has planned for matchmaking is balancing the meta level between teams.

The problem with grouping people by SP is that SP gain is a linear progression that doesn't necessarily reflect player skill. If you start in the bottom tier, then as you gain SP you're going to eventually be bumped up to the next tier whether you've actually gotten better at the game or not. Your progression would be based on how often you play and whether you use boosters rather than you're actual skill level.

If the tiers are based on K/Dr however, then as you improve your K/Dr will improve and you'll get bumped to the next tier. If it turns out you weren't quite good enough to join that tier yet and you're outmatched then your K/Dr will reflect that and you'll get bumped back down to the lower tier until you can get it back up and keep it up consistently enough to stay in the next tier.

If your reasoning for SP based tiers has to do with access to higher level gear, I believe one of the things CCP already has planned for matchmaking is balancing the meta level between teams.

Do you have any source?

You're excluding:
- Tankers, who have much higher KD's than infantry (As expected)
- Snipers, who will also have much higher KDs
- Logis, who will naturally have lower KDs if they do their job,
- Everything else I missed

If you balance match making on "How well can you kill?", you exclude another play style from the game. In this case, balancing for KD would mean that Logis would have really boring matches because they have a lower KD relative to the people they're actually equal with, tons of matches get filled with snipers and tankers who can't fight each other, and any hope of a more defined stealth or medic role is lost

\Dear noobs quit sucking.

/me rolls alt, AFKs though BA, still can achieve top score in militia gear and low sp.

The point is that you have to start playing smarter in more than one ways.

First of which is most important is soldier growth. You. Your character, and the equipment you use.
You have to play, you have to learn, and you must learn the hard way. There is no short cut on getting good. Yes you may get ROFLstomped but a 'vet' can get just as steamrolled as easily by superior tactics or unfamiliar opponents.

So in order to do this you have to first observe yourself. Ask the big question," What am I doing wrong?" If you answer low SP and low Gear those are the entirely wrong answer. A militia rifle if used right can down illy prepared heavies in a single reload. Even the best HAV can still fall victim to a militia swarm launcher when used at the opportune time. Maybe you got caught out in the open, maybe you got flanked, maybe you didn't use the right weapon at the right range. Maybe you have the wrong type of modules equipped. There are dozens of things you can constantly improve upon yourself as a soldier and unless you play you won't ever find out your own flaws and which flaws you are most willing to live with.

From there you then need to train up your sense of battlefielding. Amongst which includes the all important ability to observe and be aware. Know what the enemy is up to, what they have deployed, and tactics they're using, why is all of those combined very effective? More chances or not had you put those same guys that rofl stomped you into the ground you would still been roflstomped had they been in militia gear. Practice what they do see how it works for yourself.

As for the earlier comment about grouping people by SP, I am what you call an Omni-solider, I have specced into just about everything at once, so overall where most people would have gotten 1 or 2 prototype fits fully loaded I have 0 Advanced grade fits across the board. But I have quite a few fits nonetheless and hold my ground well against prototype players. The game should be shifting matchmaking sooner to hopefully more skill base and stray away from random encounters as it is now.

/me rolls alt, AFKs though BA, still can achieve top score in militia gear and low sp.

The point is that you have to start playing smarter in more than one ways.

First of which is most important is soldier growth. You. Your character, and the equipment you use.
You have to play, you have to learn, and you must learn the hard way. There is no short cut on getting good. Yes you may get ROFLstomped but a 'vet' can get just as steamrolled as easily by superior tactics or unfamiliar opponents.

So in order to do this you have to first observe yourself. Ask the big question," What am I doing wrong?" If you answer low SP and low Gear those are the entirely wrong answer. A militia rifle if used right can down illy prepared heavies in a single reload. Even the best HAV can still fall victim to a militia swarm launcher when used at the opportune time. Maybe you got caught out in the open, maybe you got flanked, maybe you didn't use the right weapon at the right range. Maybe you have the wrong type of modules equipped. There are dozens of things you can constantly improve upon yourself as a soldier and unless you play you won't ever find out your own flaws and which flaws you are most willing to live with.

From there you then need to train up your sense of battlefielding. Amongst which includes the all important ability to observe and be aware. Know what the enemy is up to, what they have deployed, and tactics they're using, why is all of those combined very effective? More chances or not had you put those same guys that rofl stomped you into the ground you would still been roflstomped had they been in militia gear. Practice what they do see how it works for yourself.

As for the earlier comment about grouping people by SP, I am what you call an Omni-solider, I have specced into just about everything at once, so overall where most people would have gotten 1 or 2 prototype fits fully loaded I have 0 Advanced grade fits across the board. But I have quite a few fits nonetheless and hold my ground well against prototype players. The game should be shifting matchmaking sooner to hopefully more skill base and stray away from random encounters as it is now.

I call BS on this.

I created an alt just to try the BA. My time in the battle academy on my alt was spent completely solo. I never squaded (not for lack of trying). I played how I would normally play running solo. I was playing in a Caldari Medium Basic Frame using a full BPO fit (Dragonfly/Toxin AR/Toxin SMG/MLT BPO Modules).

I left the academy with a KDR of about 2.25. In my last academy match I went 25/4.

After spending one day out of the academy my kd/r dropped to 1.30. I gave up on my alt after a match against some top corps. (DiosX and some Dust Uni Vets). In this match I went 4/18. I was running in a squad, but I just simply could not compete against the full protos while in MLT Gear with less than 1 mil SP. Even if the other team had been using the same Meta Gear as I, I would have not stood a chance. The passive bonuses that many of the skills grant you create such a disparity between new players and vets that the new players do not stand a chance.

So, IWS I call BS on you. I want you to prove to me that you can get top scores with an alt fresh out of the Academy in a battle against full proto squads.

If you can I will come back here and retract my statement and offer my apologies to you in front of all of these people. I will admit that you are right and a much better player than I could ever aspire to be!

So, IWS I call BS on you. I want you to prove to me that you can get top scores with an alt fresh out of the Academy in a battle against full proto squads.

If you can I will come back here and retract my statement and offer my apologies to you in front of all of these people. I will admit that you are right and a much better player than I could ever aspire to be!

IWS talks so much **** and rarley backs it up this is another one of his fairy tale lectures on a situation he couldn't even handle... In fact im going to make a video tribute to IWS bullshit about the new academy... **** if I had the time and resources I could make an entire 2hr comedy on his total disconnect from the situation...

Considering I just started lvl 2ing all my gear last week and didn't swap over to military grade gear until then 13 Million SP is what it takes to get minimal access to everything, and lvl 2 all weapon systems and base systems. I have to contend with people with prototype gear all the time. My KDR has been dipping from my normal game average of 2.0 lately because I been experimenting with the Plasma Cannon and the Breach Forge trying to find their niche-ness. I still haven't leveled 2 the support modules yet though or support skills. That would also leave me to trying to get used to mass drivers again as well on my todo list.

So far having the most success with PLC on the Gallente Medium Basic with Flux, Flay, Proxyblow, Arrep, red pills, reactive plate and damage mods. Runs out of ammo quick but can drive off an HAV or blow an LAV into pieces and most I gone was 10:8 which for having a plasma cannon isn't too bad but still haven't gotten to my quota to top quarter consistent scorer with a build yet so more experimentation needed.

Breach Forge Guns which I also been testing out last week ever since I unlocked them have been very useful for an alpha strike, the long recharge time is a bit of a hamper though so if you really don't kill it in one shot at least its going to run away. Its far harder to position with though than the assault and the inability to move while charging is a bit of a downer. So far the damn gun screams rooftop nuker but me and rooftops never got along as I always have been a ditch sniper.

I dare you if semi-trolling is what it takes to take a full analytical reason to why the battle academy is a bad idea go right on ahead. I am going to patiently wait for the new matchmaking skill based system however.