DUST Search - Assault suits not worth the SP

The dark cloud wrote:

Why would you want to spec into assault suits? As far as i know the racial bonuses are pretty crap. For example why would i want a faster shield recharge on a gallente assault suit which is supposed to be armor tanked? So the basic frame suits have the same HP the same module loadouts, the same CPU+PG but only cost half as much SP to get on proto. A proto assault costs 2.4 million SP. A proto basic medium frame suit on proto only costs 1.2 million SP. So why should i spec assaults when medium basic suits do the job allmost exactly the same? Lets get it stright what the bonuses are:
caldari: shield recharge+shield extender bonus (this suit at least makes sense lol)
gallente: shield recharge+hybrid weapon fitting bonus (awesome if the plasma canon and shotguns wouldnt be crap and lol its a armor tanked suit)
minmatarr: shield recharge+sidearm weapon bonus (derp sidearms)
amarr: shield recharge+laser weapon heat reduction (oh yeah lasers are awesome? oh wait they aint)

amarr and gallente suits are supposed to be armor tanked not shield. So why do they get a bonus on shield recharge rate? Sounds silly. And why the heck would i want to go for minmatarr? Sure speed mod it but if you cant finish some 1 with 80 bullets in a SMG then you should feel ashamed if you need 100 bullets. Alot of these bonuses need to change and give the regular medium frame aswell a bonus. not two bonuses at once like the assaults but one would be fine.

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The dark cloud Intara Direct Action Caldari State 1799	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:31:00 - [1] - Quote Why would you want to spec into assault suits? As far as i know the racial bonuses are pretty crap. For example why would i want a faster shield recharge on a gallente assault suit which is supposed to be armor tanked? So the basic frame suits have the same HP the same module loadouts, the same CPU+PG but only cost half as much SP to get on proto. A proto assault costs 2.4 million SP. A proto basic medium frame suit on proto only costs 1.2 million SP. So why should i spec assaults when medium basic suits do the job allmost exactly the same? Lets get it stright what the bonuses are: caldari: shield recharge+shield extender bonus (this suit at least makes sense lol) gallente: shield recharge+hybrid weapon fitting bonus (awesome if the plasma canon and shotguns wouldnt be crap and lol its a armor tanked suit) minmatarr: shield recharge+sidearm weapon bonus (derp sidearms) amarr: shield recharge+laser weapon heat reduction (oh yeah lasers are awesome? oh wait they aint) amarr and gallente suits are supposed to be armor tanked not shield. So why do they get a bonus on shield recharge rate? Sounds silly. And why the heck would i want to go for minmatarr? Sure speed mod it but if you cant finish some 1 with 80 bullets in a SMG then you should feel ashamed if you need 100 bullets. Alot of these bonuses need to change and give the regular medium frame aswell a bonus. not two bonuses at once like the assaults but one would be fine.
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 329	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:42:00 - [2] - Quote The assault role bonus should give +1 % to damage mods per level. Then the race bonus should be amarr/caldari straight armor/shield tank HP buff respectively. Minmatar and gallente should get shield/armor regen/rep bonus.
RKKR The Southern Legion 280	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:52:00 - [3] - Quote I once heard someone say that it isn't worth it to spend your SP on anything and just AFK in the metal zeplin. Lately i'm wondering if he was right...What does this say about the state of the game?
KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 140	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:52:00 - [4] - Quote because they want u to be caldari >:) its the master plan of CCP but yeah they aren't well thought out im sure one day they will adjust the bonuses
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 329	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:55:00 - [5] - Quote The sidearm bonus of the Assault Minmi is sexy. Stop hatin'.
MlDDLE MANGEMENT lMPurity 248	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:55:00 - [6] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: The assault role bonus should give +1 % to damage mods per level. Then the race bonus should be amarr/caldari straight armor/shield tank HP buff respectively. Minmatar and gallente should get shield/armor regen/rep bonus. It shouldnt add it to the module, it should just be a base wpn dmg increase for ALL weapons.
Paladin Sas Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 133	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:57:00 - [7] - Quote Actually, a 1% bonus to light weapon damage would help pull people away from the assault-loge, and also engourage the use of light weapons as primaries, not sidearms.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 943	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:00:00 - [8] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: amarr: shield recharge+laser weapon heat reduction (oh yeah lasers are awesome? oh wait they aint) . But Lasers are great and the heat build up bonus I get makes them even better. Also since we are apparently the dual tankers of Dust the Shield Build up skill is actually very useful in the sense that I don't even need to stack shield rechargers and can focus on damage mods. I know your this "high and mighty ex SI player" but dude you are way to ignorant of the current iterations of Amarrian weapons.....
STABBEY Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:06:00 - [9] - Quote I like my assault suit bonus, why is a logi dude even worried about my assault suits. last time i saw u in a game you spent the entire game with a flux in your hand trying to 1 shot people with your loldriver I cant wait until these terds go back to school so the adults can play in peace.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:06:00 - [10] - Quote It would have been cool to choose a class at the start and get a discounted SP path in that job's related skills. Let me choose Heavy and then show me the skill nodes I get an SP requirement or level discount on for choosing that class. Racial bonuses could be a whole other set of nodes you get a discount on. In the end you can change your path still be whatever you want, but you can be what you picked faster. New players can be encouraged with discounts on what their role is supposed to be looking at, but not confined to making that choice.

KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 140	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:12:00 - [11] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: It would have been cool to choose a class at the start and get a discounted SP path in that job's related skills. Let me choose Heavy and then show me the skill nodes I get an SP requirement or level discount on for choosing that class. Racial bonuses could be a whole other set of nodes you get a discount on. In the end you can change your path still be whatever you want, but you can be what you picked faster. New players can be encouraged with discounts on what their role is supposed to be looking at, but not confined to making that choice. used to have it in beta they threw the idea away because who says a heavy has to use a heavy weapon? or a scout a sniper rifle? Dust is about how versatile u can make ur characters we need an increase in SP cap or no cap that way people can truly be what they want and not have to wait a very very long time
Delta Iddon Electronic Sports League 53	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:13:00 - [12] - Quote Quote: (oh yeah lasers are awesome? oh wait they aint) lol Quote: (derp sidearms) lol The dark cloud wrote: lol
Vickers S Grunt Expert Intervention Caldari State 178	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:21:00 - [13] - Quote They are faster than logis and slightly better than basic those few cpu and pg u save on the gall suit lets u fit a few more dozen hit points or have 1 step up in equipment The higher up u go in tech the less the proportional return Or u pay threw the nose for the small edge over the basic . A duvole has only 10% more damage than a standard AR but it costs fifty times more
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 206	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:21:00 - [14] - Quote Well, being a user of Swarms, MD's and Sniper rifles, I find the minmatar bonus quite nifty for my SMG. Truth be told, it was what drew me to it over the others, and I don't regret it one bit.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1902	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:45:00 - [15] - Quote Paladin Sas wrote: Actually, a 1% bonus to light weapon damage would help pull people away from the assault-loge, and also engourage the use of light weapons as primaries, not sidearms. That's pretty much what i have been saying to Remnant these past few weeks. Specialization bonus of assault should be focus on light weapons. Then racial bonus should favor specific racial specificity. Atm, minmatar is the only worth racial bonuses for assault.
Cosgar ParagonX 3500	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:47:00 - [16] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Paladin Sas wrote: Actually, a 1% bonus to light weapon damage would help pull people away from the assault-loge, and also engourage the use of light weapons as primaries, not sidearms. That's pretty much what i have been saying to Remnant these past few weeks. Specialization bonus of assault should be focus on light weapons. Then racial bonus should favor specific racial specificity. Atm, minmatar is the only worth racial bonuses for assault. Instead of straight up damage, why not more indirect manners of DPS like reload speed, RoF, accuracy, optimal range... etc?
Delta Iddon Electronic Sports League 54	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:52:00 - [17] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Paladin Sas wrote: Actually, a 1% bonus to light weapon damage would help pull people away from the assault-loge, and also engourage the use of light weapons as primaries, not sidearms. That's pretty much what i have been saying to Remnant these past few weeks. Specialization bonus of assault should be focus on light weapons. Then racial bonus should favor specific racial specificity. Atm, minmatar is the only worth racial bonuses for assault. what about the amarr? the heat reduction is pretty huge
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 840	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:57:00 - [18] - Quote You guys have not imagination .. everything is Proto this.. and Proto that... Every suit have a strength and weakness, learn what it is, and you'll find that it is "possible" to use suits tactically. No everything have to be Prototype maxing .. you know..it is another way to play the game.. but is a secret.. shhhhhhhh.
Vin Mora Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 86	Posted - 2013.07.31 12:17:00 - [19] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Why would you want to spec into assault suits? As far as i know the racial bonuses are pretty crap. For example why would i want a faster shield recharge on a gallente assault suit which is supposed to be armor tanked? So the basic frame suits have the same HP the same module loadouts, the same CPU+PG but only cost half as much SP to get on proto. A proto assault costs 2.4 million SP. A proto basic medium frame suit on proto only costs 1.2 million SP. So why should i spec assaults when medium basic suits do the job allmost exactly the same? Lets get it stright what the bonuses are: caldari: shield recharge+shield extender bonus (this suit at least makes sense lol) gallente: shield recharge+hybrid weapon fitting bonus (awesome if the plasma canon and shotguns wouldnt be crap and lol its a armor tanked suit) minmatarr: shield recharge+sidearm weapon bonus (derp sidearms) amarr: shield recharge+laser weapon heat reduction (oh yeah lasers are awesome? oh wait they aint) amarr and gallente suits are supposed to be armor tanked not shield. So why do they get a bonus on shield recharge rate? Sounds silly. And why the heck would i want to go for minmatarr? Sure speed mod it but if you cant finish some 1 with 80 bullets in a SMG then you should feel ashamed if you need 100 bullets. Alot of these bonuses need to change and give the regular medium frame aswell a bonus. not two bonuses at once like the assaults but one would be fine. Having shield recharge speed on armor tanks is not useless, even they need shields to help against explosives and as a buff before their armor starts to take damage. Sure it isn't the ideal bonus for them, but it works and I like it. And I absolutely love the Minmatar bonus, those extra shots in the SMG and ScP are amazing, and I can't wait for the MagSec SMG. Not to mention that Proto-Sidearms are easier to fit then Proto-Light weapons.


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