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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5181	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:31:00 - [1] - Quote [Specialization cost]: Infantry specializations are CHEAPER than the basic counterparts. Why is it different for vehicle specializations? Most vehicle specializations are already balanced by stats and capabilities, do they really need the massive ISK price increases added? don't think so. An enforcer tank is basically a militia tank with a bonus and 1 more slot than a regular tank, and has less PG/CPU, it doesn't need to cost a million ISK. An assault dropship is highly maneuverable, and gets a small front turret, but its still very fragile, and its impact on the battlefield in no way justifies the 500K price tag, it can reach over a million ISK when fully fitted. Vehicle specializations, and specializations are meant to be sidegrades, NOT upgrades, so why is the price upgraded? Lower the costs of vehicle specializations DRASTICALLY. They should not cost more than the basic vehicle, they already require more SP investments. If you want a justifiable ISK sink with vehicles, introduce some ADV and PRO versions of the basic vehicles, and for the specializations as well. AV items come in ADV and PRO, its only fair that their target would get the same courtesy. [Specialization balance]: LAV specializations are a real problem. This is not about roadkills. The logistics LAV has no drawbacks, just as fast as the other LAVs, more HP, more shield recharge, more slots. This is not a sidegrade or specialization, its a complete upgrade. They need to have disadvantages to balance out their advantages. They should keep the superior HP They should only have as much slots as the basic LAV. They don't need extra slots since they already have more base HP, AND a built-in module. They need a maximum speed nerf; they have the same max speed as the basic and scout LAVs. Like the infantry counterparts, the LLAV should sacrifice speed. The scout LAV has the EXACT same stats as the militia LAV counterpart. The only difference is a worthless bonus to turret turning speed, slight acceleration speed, and a blue color. This thing is so worthless. Basically a 80k+ SP sink militia LAV. Their inferior slot layout and HP should be compensated for with superior shield recharge rate. Maximum speed needs to be higher for the scout LAV since it is designed for mobility. If some of you are afraid of scout LAVs being turned into better murder taxis, know that a collision nerf is coming [Skills]: The operation skills are pointless after level 3 since there are no prototype version of basic vehicles to unlock,only the specializations which unlock at level 3. Give them a purpose, I recommend a PG bonus per level for the specific vehicle type, or add ADV and PRO vehicles. The presence of CPU-raising skills, but the lack of PG-raising skills heavily favors Gallene vehicles which have more starting PG then their Caldari counterpart; Gallente vehicles may have less CPU than Caldari vehicles, but Gallente vehicles can always gain more CPU through skills to cover that weakness, while Caldari vehicles can't cover their PG weakness. Its not fair to have a skill that helps CPU but not one that helps PG. Vroom vroom mutha thukka Oh, and the knockback effect of a flaylock pistol against a dropship is unreasonably high. Fix it please.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5199	Posted - 2013.07.29 18:50:00 - [2] - Quote Prices are still stupid
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 382	Posted - 2013.07.29 18:57:00 - [3] - Quote basically agreed on everything. Since talking about prices, i think expensive (ie fit with modules) LAVs would be more useful for transport if they had a super-fast recall hack time (compared to say tanks or dropships).
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5202	Posted - 2013.07.30 09:29:00 - [4] - Quote Hopefully 1.4 or 1.5 will deal with the specialization imbalance.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 2735	Posted - 2013.07.30 13:50:00 - [5] - Quote I still can't believe that specialist gear costs less than basic gear when the basic gear doesn't even give bonuses. Even so, the Specialist gear gives you more capability, so it should have a higher cost to go with that. I mean, with the prices they way they are, is it any surprise new players get **** on? The first suits they can get access to make them lose ISK. Also, as far as the last part of your post is concerned, when the Weaponry skill was changed to remove the 10% bonus you could get from it, they gave all weapons a 10% buff to compensate. I realize CCP is trying to move away from giving absolute advantages via skill training without even using modules, but you're taking vehicles that were obviously designed in the same vein as ships in EVE, and thus requiring Electronics and Engineering to fit properly, and just removing one of those skills without adjusting the vehicles at all.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5211	Posted - 2013.07.31 08:43:00 - [6] - Quote Still overpriced and poorly balanced
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 1091	Posted - 2013.07.31 09:10:00 - [7] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Vehicle specializations, and specializations are meant to be sidegrades, NOT upgrades, You can start a revolution around this statement. Sidegrades over upgrades! Tiercide over tiers! We. Want. VARIANTS!
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 607	Posted - 2013.07.31 10:34:00 - [8] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Vehicle specializations, and specializations are meant to be sidegrades, NOT upgrades, You can start a revolution around this statement. Sidegrades over upgrades! Tiercide over tiers! We. Want. VARIANTS! Never mind varients bring back the sagi and suyria .
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5223	Posted - 2013.08.01 11:19:00 - [9] - Quote Blue tag would be nice
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5260	Posted - 2013.08.06 00:01:00 - [10] - Quote LAV spec balance still sucks

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 524	Posted - 2013.08.06 00:12:00 - [11] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Vehicle specializations, and specializations are meant to be sidegrades, NOT upgrades, You can start a revolution around this statement. Sidegrades over upgrades! Tiercide over tiers! We. Want. VARIANTS! Never mind varients bring back the sagi and suyria . I WANT MY SAGGY BACK!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5365	Posted - 2013.08.11 04:34:00 - [12] - Quote Still overpriced.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5382	Posted - 2013.08.13 06:28:00 - [13] - Quote vroom vroom
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5439	Posted - 2013.08.17 21:32:00 - [14] - Quote No one else is bothered by these things?


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