Well, yea its unreasonable to give them a respec.

The gun will still be viable after the nerf, just not OP.

DON'T LISTEN TO THE ABUSER!!

BURN THE ABUSERS!!!!

BURN THEM!!!!!!!

HOOC'S AN ABUSER, HE KILLED ME WITH A FLAYLOCK!!!!1!!11!!!eleven!!

Seriously though, they've made their bed, they should be forced to lie in it.

After all, it isn't like there is a Hard SP Cap where they will not be able to buy EVERYTHING eventually.

Look at these "mistakes" as "added value".

1 problem with your argument - You claim most people specced into them not knowing, but in fact it was mostly the opposite, especially with the flaylock. A lot of people specced into them b/c they knew they were OP.

This is not about them.
CCP said, no more respecs bar something catastrophic, a bunch of whiners on a forum is not catastrophic.

A number of people specced those things without realising the advantages they had, but a significant amount of people, a considerable majority specced into them specifically after finding out how OP they are.

It's not an attempt to make them into villains, there's a segment of those who specced into those things because that was their choice of race, there were those who wanted to spec cal logi because they like caldari tech, they benefitted from an unexpectedly OP set of gear. I can't hate those people, it's just how things turned out. However a significant part of the player base, saw how OP they were, and purposefully set out to spec those things to take advantage of the OP'ness, do you have any other reason for why 90% of the top corps were running those things in PC and pub matches?

Funny thing that....

I had Flaylock Operation to 5 before we had Flaylocks. When we actually got them and I could actually try them I thought it was a nice idea, though overall, a silly weapon.

When we got our respecs (you know, the LAST respec ever barring catastrophe), I spec'd OUT of Flaylocks for other more practical skills.

How many people used their respec to spec INTO Flaylocks knowing full well that it was a silly OP weapon?

There is no dehumanization. Either they trained what they wanted or trained what they knew was op. Both can end up at the same place, neither needs a respec. They made decisions in a system designed to preserve decisions through balance changes.

Hooc, you make good points but you aren't going to change everyone's mind. It's good that you are putting your thoughts out here though. Personally, I downgrade my gear when I fight unorganized teams, and I upgrade against strong resistance. Not enough people do this, and it's why so many matches are one sided stomps. I'm talking pub matches, since I have no PC experience.

The game is boring and frustrating regardless of which side of a stomp you are on.

you aren't going to change everyone's mind.

They aren't, they did it once and should they see the opportunity they will do it again. It isn't wrong, but that isn't a reason for game mechanics to be altered to help them. I min maxed training in eve, but did you know it has the opposite effect? Imagine having your ship choices and DPS output limited because you were spending the next year or 2 on perfecting your electronics and engineering trees. It's not a matter of handpicking elements like it is here. But still, that isn't a bad thing on either games part. They allocated their SP, we did the same. Why shouldn't we all live with those decisions?

Oh, I'm sorry, you thought I was saying that New Eden attracted min/maxers?

No, I meant that New Eden brings out the worst in some people, after all, the Devs made a music video telling people to Harden The **** Up. In addition to that, I remember seeing a video (a year or so ago) where there was a Dev in an interview teaching newbs how to scam in Jita and ENCOURAGING it. TBH, I don't really have a problem with this, it is what helped cement my fondness for Dust and EVE.

Min/maxers though are among the worst type of gamers I have had to endure gaming with in the 26 years I've been playing PNP RPGs. They do little more than twist rules to suit their own desires (further exacerbated by the fact that they are usually Rules Lawyers too). They take a game that is supposed to be about fun and turn it into a "I can twist rules and exploit loopholes better than you".

I have watched many a good tabletop game go down the drain because of min/maxing, I don't want to see this happen here.

CCP is simply practicing what they preach by not kowtowing to the "GIMME RESPEC NAO!!!!" crowd. I support this, I abide by the belief that my decisions need to be preserved and I am not crying for a respec.

HTFU & SIUB or GTFO.

Yet eve is doing it even now and has done it for a decade. It clearly isn't something that can't be done when it is being done.

It's also important to recall that the stats on the suits and weapons were only a part of the story here. SP permanence doesn't equate to item stat permanence. The changes you mention are and should have been a part of a persons decisions with SP allocation. We weren't promised a respec with balance changes and as such we had choices to make, including chasing the best or sticking with something that we like or just diversifying. The dynamic nature of things right now is another fact to take into account, not a factor which invalidates decision making.

Yet eve is doing it even now and has done it for a decade. It clearly isn't something that can't be done when it is being done..

Adding respecs will benefit the min/max crowd more than others, so how is no respecs cowtowing to them? changing the game isn't either as the combination of changes and no respecs means they have to work the hardest to stay on top while the rest of us just train what we feel like. Multi PSN account users aren't an instant ticket to0 high SP characters either. Those characters are burned with each update and aren't coming to proficiency as fast as balance changes come out.

Adding respecs will benefit the min/max crowd more than others,