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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:32:00 -
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Well, not right now, but Soon(TM) as soon as people realize how to use them.
Lone heavies aren't a big deal, you have a big clip to deal with them, and you usually take them down with one or one and a half.
But that's because you can focus on one.
Imagine 5 rushing your team of 5 assaults.
And remember, the 5 heavies are shooting at you at the same time.
It will be a slaughter, the medium frame drop way quickly, so they can concentrate on one, drop him, move to the next, drop him, move to the next, etc'.
By the time they bring down one heavy, the medium frames are already toast.
It's like the difference between having to take down 1 tank and 5 tanks.
Even if you had unlimited AV, if they are together it will be a pain in the arse. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:56:00 -
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I love how you're all saying "it ain't effective".
When I was in a heavy squad like that, we decimated every match we were in  |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:58:00 -
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Oh and I was in a standard heavy suit if anyone's asking. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:10:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Well, not right now, but Soon(TM) as soon as people realize how to use them.
Lone heavies aren't a big deal, you have a big clip to deal with them, and you usually take them down with one or one and a half.
But that's because you can focus on one.
Imagine 5 rushing your team of 5 assaults.
And remember, the 5 heavies are shooting at you at the same time.
It will be a slaughter, the medium frame drop way quickly, so they can concentrate on one, drop him, move to the next, drop him, move to the next, etc'.
By the time they bring down one heavy, the medium frames are already toast.
It's like the difference between having to take down 1 tank and 5 tanks.
Even if you had unlimited AV, if they are together it will be a pain in the arse. AR's still have the range advantage, and if equal numbers of heavies and assault meet, the assaults only need to go for a jog in different directions to break the effectiveness of the horde. Either that or just lob in a pair of fluxes and four core locus grenades and kill them all without even needing to fire an AR. exactly!
Is there anything stopping a heavy from using the AR?
Also, grenades are OP and spammable, I hate them, I should make a thread about them some day.
Oh and core locus grenades?
Yeah, they one shot my Gallente assault. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:13:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Is there anything stopping a heavy from using the AR?
Also, grenades are OP and spammable, I hate them, I should make a thread about them some day. Turn radius being tied to dropsuit frame size puts the heavy at a disadvantage with the AR I think.
Wolfman said he's removing that 
Also, it's tied to speed, not frame size, my Gallente medium frame turns as slow as a heavy  |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:16:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Well, not right now, but Soon(TM) as soon as people realize how to use them.
Lone heavies aren't a big deal, you have a big clip to deal with them, and you usually take them down with one or one and a half.
But that's because you can focus on one.
Imagine 5 rushing your team of 5 assaults.
And remember, the 5 heavies are shooting at you at the same time.
It will be a slaughter, the medium frame drop way quickly, so they can concentrate on one, drop him, move to the next, drop him, move to the next, etc'.
By the time they bring down one heavy, the medium frames are already toast.
It's like the difference between having to take down 1 tank and 5 tanks.
Even if you had unlimited AV, if they are together it will be a pain in the arse. So you're saying the Heavy has a movement speed that is too high? Cat Merc, I support your assertion that the Heavy needs to move slower. CCP, Dooooooooooooo eeeeeeeeettttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Wait what?  |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:20:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Cat Merc wrote:
Is there anything stopping a heavy from using the AR?
Also, grenades are OP and spammable, I hate them, I should make a thread about them some day.
Oh and core locus grenades?
Yeah, they one shot my Gallente assault.
A heavy trying to strafe vs an assault is going to chewed up. Slower, worse turn radius, can't jump as high while reloading, lower movement speed. Flux and Nade will drop a batch of heavies, so your tactic is invalid. I think we have settled this. Unless you want to change the title to "If I am running solo in a pub a squad of heavies could scare me" Either that or spec into a mass driver. Flux and Mass = many dead heavies.
You overestimate the speed difference.
Now that strafe speeds have been increased, a strafing heavy can still be a pain if the guy behind it is good 
Also, heavy speeds have increased from Chromosome, and the Amarr are the slowest.
So.... Yeah.
That combo drops any suit, heck you don't even need a Flux.
Your argument is invalid.
I'm saying, heavy suits aren't useless, deny it all you want, a wall of those is more effective than a wall of assaults, they can slowly push forward with a lot of firepower and HP. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:26:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:Cat Merc wrote:You overestimate the speed difference. Now that strafe speeds have been increased, a strafing heavy can still be a pain if the guy behind it is good That combo drops any suit, heck you don't even need a Flux. Your argument is invalid. Flux and nade can be less than ideal when trying to target fast moving suits, Cal logis with Kin cats, or any socut suit. Flux and mass can have the same problem. Well maybe an assault mass driver and allotek flux can catch a scout. Against heavies though, either of those solutions is an almost assured kill. So if your cluster of heavies can be solo'd by a logi with a mass driver, it isn't really effective.
Actually, the splash on all of those is quite large, it can get even a sprinting medium frame.
Most people also cook those, there is no way to escape them.
The only one's that can consistantly avoid it are scouts, and they need it, one MD shot kills them |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:36:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Hunter Fencen wrote:Commando squads are the ones to fear I got a good laugh out of this. Me too
The Cat approves of the laughs. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:47:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:unless you're walking around a corner and get surprised at close range, heavies are not that scary. I just view them as AR/SMG sponges.
Until they bring their own AR...
And that's the point, you need to unload your clip into them to kill them, by the time you do that to 5 they will already kill you and your squishy buddies. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 15:52:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Eh, the only heavies that scare me are the ones with a forge gun staring me down as I line up my charge scrambler rifle.
*Imagines a stare contest between a Amarr heavy and a Amarr assault* |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:14:00 -
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Sollemnis Aelinos wrote:until i sneak up from behind with nova knives hehe, ah the thrill of terror and panic
Yeah lol
That's my favorite. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:25:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:The Attorney General wrote:Hunter Fencen wrote:Commando squads are the ones to fear I got a good laugh out of this. Me too The Cat approves of the laughs. I squaded with 2 commandos using ARs and MD, pretty scary stuff.
SCR and MD would be better.
Drop their shields, pwn them with MD. |
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