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2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.25 03:57:00 -
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Quick Note: I am a supporter for the buffing of Tanks and Dropships. Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on
After I signed the Tank vehicle petition, i imagined what would happen if someone had a prototype tanks with a prototype pilot suit. I shuddered.
I was imagining a tanks with around ~20,000 EHP, give or take 3000 EHP. That would be IMPOSSIBLE to take out in an Instant Battle. It would take the coordination of around 6 people to take out and thats impossible to rely on in a public match. Even someone fully decked out in Proto AV with a Breach Forge Gun would take around 10 shots to take out this prototype tank and that'd never happen if you had a driver with the IQ of a Monkey. What do you guys think should be done to avoid such imbalance between infantry and vehicle?
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KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
421
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Posted - 2013.07.25 03:59:00 -
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'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
132
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:00:00 -
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Instant battles separated into high sec and low sec. High sec std only. Low sec everything goes.
Fixed in two freaking seconds. |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro.
You're kidding me? Go spec into a Gunlogi and go 3 games without dying. Then you'll break even |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:04:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Instant battles separated into high sec and low sec. High sec std only. Low sec everything goes.
Fixed in two freaking seconds.
Good thinking |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Murder Cakes Of Doom
71
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:04:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. the expensive tanks are. cause they are so similar to the cheaper ones. they really don't get better survival past 700k other than a better turret. the turrets are by far overpriced. or AV weapons should have a cost increase. One of the 2 needs to happen. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
727
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:06:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Instant battles separated into high sec and low sec. High sec std only. Low sec everything goes.
Fixed in two freaking seconds.
right there |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
421
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:06:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. You're kidding me? Go spec into a Gunlogi and go 3 games without dying. Then you'll break even
When and Proto Forge gunner , and 3 people with swarm launchers cant deplete a tank's shield while all of them shooting at it at the same time, i know you are kidding with tanks being under-powered. Maybe YOU dont have a Proto tank, but as with everything, once you get proto you are OP.SPECIALLY tanks... |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
28
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:09:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. You're kidding me? Go spec into a Gunlogi and go 3 games without dying. Then you'll break even When and Proto Forge gunner , and 3 people with swarm launchers cant deplete a tank's shield while all of them shooting at it at the same time, i know you are kidding with tanks being under-powered. Maybe YOU dont have a Proto tank, but as with everything, once you get proto you are OP.SPECIALLY tanks... You realize that prototanks aren't in the game, right? And that standard tanks are SOO easy to take out |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
132
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:14:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Instant battles separated into high sec and low sec. High sec std only. Low sec everything goes.
Fixed in two freaking seconds. Good thinking but this doesn't actually fix the balance issue What balance issue? You cannot claim proto tanks are op. I genuinely picture a "proto" caldari tank to have higher base shields and a 5/4 slot layout and that's it. At that point ill quit dust for sure.
If proto av is balanced against proto vehicles and people sign up for low sec, **** the people that get annihilated by the tank for not fielding av. Low sec is low sec homie. |
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Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:17:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. You're kidding me? Go spec into a Gunlogi and go 3 games without dying. Then you'll break even When and Proto Forge gunner , and 3 people with swarm launchers cant deplete a tank's shield while all of them shooting at it at the same time, i know you are kidding with tanks being under-powered. Maybe YOU dont have a Proto tank, but as with everything, once you get proto you are OP.SPECIALLY tanks...
you seem to think that all tankers are high end and highly skilled tankers, guess what, there will be matches where you go against **** tankers and matches when you go against our A-Listers (whats left of it) and see them pretty tuff to take down, you cannot base your entire view on tanks only on the minority of us, its caused us to be nerfed down to near uselessness |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
421
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:18:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. You're kidding me? Go spec into a Gunlogi and go 3 games without dying. Then you'll break even When and Proto Forge gunner , and 3 people with swarm launchers cant deplete a tank's shield while all of them shooting at it at the same time, i know you are kidding with tanks being under-powered. Maybe YOU dont have a Proto tank, but as with everything, once you get proto you are OP.SPECIALLY tanks... You realize that prototanks aren't in the game, right? And that standard tanks are SOO easy to take out
By proto i mean the Most expensive ones, HOW should i know? Im a soldier and i dont run Vehicles.
LOL, More reason to leave them as they are bro, a good tank is already tough as hell to take out, IF its possible to.Ive seen tankers go 30+ - 0 in matches proving that a good tank IS possible. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
421
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:21:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. You're kidding me? Go spec into a Gunlogi and go 3 games without dying. Then you'll break even When and Proto Forge gunner , and 3 people with swarm launchers cant deplete a tank's shield while all of them shooting at it at the same time, i know you are kidding with tanks being under-powered. Maybe YOU dont have a Proto tank, but as with everything, once you get proto you are OP.SPECIALLY tanks... you seem to think that all tankers are high end and highly skilled tankers, guess what, there will be matches where you go against **** tankers and matches when you go against our A-Listers (whats left of it) and see them pretty tuff to take down, you cannot base your entire view on tanks only on the minority of us, its caused us to be nerfed down to near uselessness
Hey! i never asked to NERF tanks. Im just against buffing them since a single good tanker can turn the tide of a game an obliterate everything... and a team NEEDS at least 2-3 specialized AV mercs to try and take it down, PLUS another squad of VERY good players to maintain objectives while being outnumbered.
So at least 6+ people todeal with a good tanker overall and win a game? Hmm.... |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
133
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:26:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:'' Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on''
Made me lol there bro. You're kidding me? Go spec into a Gunlogi and go 3 games without dying. Then you'll break even When and Proto Forge gunner , and 3 people with swarm launchers cant deplete a tank's shield while all of them shooting at it at the same time, i know you are kidding with tanks being under-powered. Maybe YOU dont have a Proto tank, but as with everything, once you get proto you are OP.SPECIALLY tanks... you seem to think that all tankers are high end and highly skilled tankers, guess what, there will be matches where you go against **** tankers and matches when you go against our A-Listers (whats left of it) and see them pretty tuff to take down, you cannot base your entire view on tanks only on the minority of us, its caused us to be nerfed down to near uselessness Hey! i never asked to NERF tanks. Im just against buffing them since a single good tanker can turn the tide of a game an obliterate everything and a team of specialized AV mercs to try and take it down, PLUS another squad of VERY good players to maintain objectives. So at least 7-8 people todeal with a good tanker overall and win a game? Hmm....
This is not how pc matches go. A tank does not turn the tide of a battle. It has a use but its a niche one. You'll rarely see more than one tank in pc because they aren't that good. It's better to have another foot on the ground dropping uplinks.
If you mean pubs. Who cares? Let people get stomped for being dumb in low sec.
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Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
839
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:28:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:[Hey! i never asked to NERF tanks. Im just against buffing them since a single good tanker can turn the tide of a game an obliterate everything and a team of specialized AV mercs to try and take it down, PLUS another squad of VERY good players to maintain objectives.
So at least 7-8 people todeal with a good tanker overall and win a game? Hmm.... This is not how pc matches go. A tank does not turn the tide of a battle. It has a use but its a niche one. You'll rarely see more than one tank in pc because they aren't that good. It's better to have another foot on the ground dropping uplinks. If you mean pubs. Who cares? Let people get stomped for being dumb in low sec.
this guy known how it is |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
422
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:29:00 -
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Well bro, i NEVER play on PC. So you are saying let people get stomped in games taht they are not ''PC'' games.There by meaning you dont care Why should i care for vehicles then?
I think you should think better of ''PUB MATCHES'' since it depends on them if we get NEW players or not.
The other problem is a single tanker , good one that is, can get into any game and play decently effectively, while in order to deal with such tanker , an ORGANIZED squad is needed. There by, a single tanker needs as a counter 5+ people. And if i happen to be playing alone? Im F***? yup, yes i am... |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
839
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:31:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Well bro, i NEVER play on PC. So you are saying let people get stomped in games taht they are not ''PC'' games.There by meaning you dont care Why should i care for vehicles then?
I think you should think better of ''PUB MATCHES'' since it depends on them if we get NEW players or not.
the current status of vehicles has been based on pub matches wince the beginning of the game, and look at the results, vehicles ******* suck because of it, if it were based on pc matches (full on proto vs proto(when we get advanced and proto tanks eventually)) then vehicles would be much better off, instead we are nearly extinct because of the balanced being based on pub matches. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
422
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:35:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Well bro, i NEVER play on PC. So you are saying let people get stomped in games taht they are not ''PC'' games.There by meaning you dont care Why should i care for vehicles then?
I think you should think better of ''PUB MATCHES'' since it depends on them if we get NEW players or not. the current status of vehicles has been based on pub matches wince the beginning of the game, and look at the results, vehicles ******* suck because of it, if it were based on pc matches (full on proto vs proto(when we get advanced and proto tanks eventually)) then vehicles would be much better off, instead we are nearly extinct because of the balanced being based on pub matches.
Thats no drama. This is a FPS, you can always get a gun.
VEHICLES SUCK? you obviously havnt been playing the same Carmaggedon/twisted metal game im playing then. Getting run over 6+ times per game by invincible logi LAVs and getting red line RAILGUN sniped by tanks.trelelelel lol |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
839
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:37:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Well bro, i NEVER play on PC. So you are saying let people get stomped in games taht they are not ''PC'' games.There by meaning you dont care Why should i care for vehicles then?
I think you should think better of ''PUB MATCHES'' since it depends on them if we get NEW players or not. the current status of vehicles has been based on pub matches wince the beginning of the game, and look at the results, vehicles ******* suck because of it, if it were based on pc matches (full on proto vs proto(when we get advanced and proto tanks eventually)) then vehicles would be much better off, instead we are nearly extinct because of the balanced being based on pub matches. Thats no drama. This is a FPS, you can always get a gun.
its not a normal fps, this is not solely boring ass infantry weapons that you see in all other fps games, this is a different type of fps game where everything is meant to be available. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
840
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:VEHICLES SUCK? you obviously havnt been playing the same Carmaggedon/twisted metal game im playing then. Getting run over 6+ times per game by invincible logi LAVs and getting red line RAILGUN sniped by tanks.trelelelel lol
the vehicle your talking about are LLAVs which are better than tanks at surviving in the middle of the battlefield because of their insane amount auto regen and speed. LAVs are completely different form HAVs, and the reason your being sniped by tanks from across the map is because we cant survive in the middle of the ball field where you expect us to be because we will 99% of the time be completely overpowered by AV players within the 1st 5 seconds of getting into the fight. |
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KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
423
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:46:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:VEHICLES SUCK? you obviously havnt been playing the same Carmaggedon/twisted metal game im playing then. Getting run over 6+ times per game by invincible logi LAVs and getting red line RAILGUN sniped by tanks.trelelelel lol the vehicle your talking about are LLAVs which are better than tanks at surviving in the middle of the battlefield because of their insane amount auto regen and speed. LAVs are completely different form HAVs, and the reason your being sniped by tanks from across the map is because we cant survive in the middle of the ball field where you expect us to be because we will 99% of the time be completely overpowered by AV players within the 1st 5 seconds of getting into the fight.
*GOOD AV players
And there are way to few of them. Me myself? i had to stop using my core locus nades and start packing AV nades to at least SCARE tanks away from cities whn im trying to play some good ol' CQ...
You guys cannot just say to F*** Pub matches because this is not EVE, where everybody is skilled (or at least TRYING to be as skilled as possible) and has enough time to play the game. There are people here that just want to have a good time playing a FPS that isnt repetitive BF or boring a** CoD.
But as a person that DOESNT CARE at all for vehicle warfare, having to spend a LOT of SP in swarms/plasma C (which suck BTW)/ and AV nades just to SCARE off tanks is just bull. Then i scare off a tank only to get murdered by a guy that had contact nades instead of AV nades. Its just putting myself in a disadvantage,sacrificing a grenade slot or a Light weapon slot just ''IN CASE'' a tank shows up.. |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
840
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:54:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:VEHICLES SUCK? you obviously havnt been playing the same Carmaggedon/twisted metal game im playing then. Getting run over 6+ times per game by invincible logi LAVs and getting red line RAILGUN sniped by tanks.trelelelel lol the vehicle your talking about are LLAVs which are better than tanks at surviving in the middle of the battlefield because of their insane amount auto regen and speed. LAVs are completely different form HAVs, and the reason your being sniped by tanks from across the map is because we cant survive in the middle of the ball field where you expect us to be because we will 99% of the time be completely overpowered by AV players within the 1st 5 seconds of getting into the fight. *GOOD AV players And there are way to few of them. Me myself? i had to stop using my core locus nades and start packing AV nades to at least SCARE tanks away from cities whn im trying to play some good ol' CQ... You guys cannot just say to F*** Pub matches because this is not EVE, where everybody is skilled (or at least TRYING to be as skilled as possible) and has enough time to play the game. There are people here that just want to have a good time playing a FPS that isnt repetitive BF or boring a** CoD. But as a person that DOESNT CARE at all for vehicle warfare, having to spend a LOT of SP in swarms/plasma C (which suck BTW)/ and AV nades just to SCARE off tanks is just bull. Then i scare off a tank only to get murdered by a guy that had contact nades instead of AV nades. Its just putting myself in a disadvantage,sacrificing a grenade slot or a Light weapon slot just ''IN CASE'' a tank shows up..
I like how you think that you should be able to take on everything with your fitting e it vehicle or infantry, guess what you shouldn't be allowed to, this is New Eden where your personal choices matter and you cannot be efficient against everything, AV should be good against vehicles only, not infantry, if you spec into AV you should be sacrificing your ability to take on infantry, just like tankers sacrifice their ability to fight with their own dropsuits in order to pilot tanks. |
Dead Pressman
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.25 05:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote: *GOOD AV players
And there are way to few of them. Me myself? i had to stop using my core locus nades and start packing AV nades to at least SCARE tanks away from cities whn im trying to play some good ol' CQ...
You guys cannot just say to F*** Pub matches because this is not EVE, where everybody is skilled (or at least TRYING to be as skilled as possible) and has enough time to play the game. There are people here that just want to have a good time playing a FPS that isnt repetitive BF or boring a** CoD.
But as a person that DOESNT CARE at all for vehicle warfare, having to spend a LOT of SP in swarms/plasma C (which suck BTW)/ and AV nades just to SCARE off tanks is just bull. Then i scare off a tank only to get murdered by a guy that had contact nades instead of AV nades. Its just putting myself in a disadvantage,sacrificing a grenade slot or a Light weapon slot just ''IN CASE'' a tank shows up..
Well, the rock-paper-scissors nature of combat, does add a little spice to it. By you frightening away tanks, you're helping your team to win the day. Isn't it satisfaction enough to know you've made a difference? Having a good attack fit, as well as an AV fit just makes you look like a Chess master Assassin. In the end, isn't the envy-laden adulation of complete strangers what this game is all about? |
Mary Sedillo
BetaMax. CRONOS.
181
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Posted - 2013.07.25 05:40:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:Quick Note: I am a supporter for the buffing of Tanks and Dropships. Currently they are Underpowered and impossible to make a profit on
After I signed the Tank vehicle petition, i imagined what would happen if someone had a prototype tanks with a prototype pilot suit. I shuddered.
I was imagining a tanks with around ~20,000 EHP, give or take 3000 EHP. That would be IMPOSSIBLE to take out in an Instant Battle. It would take the coordination of around 6 people to take out and thats impossible to rely on in a public match. Even someone fully decked out in Proto AV with a Breach Forge Gun would take around 10 shots to take out this prototype tank and that'd never happen if you had a driver with the IQ of a Monkey. What do you guys think should be done to avoid such imbalance between infantry and vehicle?
**** BALANCE!!!! This is an MMO, not some COD-Shooter! Infantry should COWER under the experienced vehicle operator and his vehicle of doom!
Not this bullshit of having to run to cover when ANY --- ANNNYYYY --- AV hits the field, even with the highest meta gear. |
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