DUST Search - Why are we talking about balance when aiming is broken

Cosgar wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Dust Project 514 wrote:

I honestly do not see the problem with aiming. It works perfectly fine for me.

The issue I see is hit detection, which can be caused by poor hit boxes / lag.

It just sounds like people want auto aim, to me.

No, it doesn't work perfectly fine for you.

You are just incredibly bad to the point that good aim wouldn't effect you.

#uncomfortabletruth

I actually have to agree with Dust Project. Except for having to play around with sensitivity after each patch, aiming seems fine. Hit detection is completely horrendous though. It's not as noticeable on some weapons, but it ruins weapons like the shotgun, nova knives, and oddly enough, the HMG. On your end it looks like aiming is the issue, but just the other day I was unlucky enough to turn to corner and meet a heavy with a boundless. Somehow, I managed to survive because his rounds couldn't connect. The guy had me dead to rights, inside his own optimal, bullets flying at me and I wasn't taking any damage.

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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4 Expert Intervention Caldari State 2165	Posted - 2013.07.23 19:56:00 - [1] - Quote Because surely aiming mechanics and framerate has nothing to do with the effectiveness of different weapons and so on So why all the balances? Because surely any "balance" we can achieve now will go into the bin once aiming is fixed or IF it is fixed
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2993	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:08:00 - [2] - Quote true...to an extent. Doesn't change the fact that flaylocks and contact nades are too strong though, or LLAV's are stupidly hard to kill... even harder to kill than a HAV.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 988	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:09:00 - [3] - Quote Flaylocks are ******** but I guarantee I'd be killing more flaylock users with my HMG if I could aim.
Dust Project 514 Dust 514 Evolved 208	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:11:00 - [4] - Quote I honestly do not see the problem with aiming. It works perfectly fine for me. The issue I see is hit detection, which can be caused by poor hit boxes / lag. It just sounds like people want auto aim, to me.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 988	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:14:00 - [5] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: I honestly do not see the problem with aiming. It works perfectly fine for me. The issue I see is hit detection, which can be caused by poor hit boxes / lag. It just sounds like people want auto aim, to me. No, it doesn't work perfectly fine for you. You are just incredibly bad to the point that good aim wouldn't effect you. #uncomfortabletruth
Alucard Fang Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 266	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:15:00 - [6] - Quote That's CCP's #3 on **** to do list. I think. Number one is The New Player Experience.
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 132	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote We have given up hope for an aim fix so the only thing left is balance. Balance will fix CCP's LOL can't fix aim issue.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 879	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:39:00 - [8] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4 wrote: Because surely aiming mechanics and framerate has nothing to do with the effectiveness of different weapons and so on So why all the balances? Because surely any "balance" we can achieve now will go into the bin once aiming is fixed or IF it is fixed Am I the only one who thinks aiming is fine, and that maybe lining up a headshot at 100m is supposed to be difficult?
Kiiran-B Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 93	Posted - 2013.07.23 20:40:00 - [9] - Quote Aiming should have been the first thing they fixed.
Minor Treat The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 24	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:37:00 - [10] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4 wrote: Because surely aiming mechanics and framerate has nothing to do with the effectiveness of different weapons and so on So why all the balances? Because surely any "balance" we can achieve now will go into the bin once aiming is fixed or IF it is fixed Am I the only one who thinks aiming is fine, and that maybe lining up a headshot at 100m is supposed to be difficult? yeah its just u

Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 362	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:46:00 - [11] - Quote Lol.... How would you balance DS3 vs KB/M? I think that is the hardest thing to do. Because KB/M is was superior for FPS IMO and I strictly use DS3 for console gaming (with no aim assist). I agree that aiming needs some adjustments but it is not broken (x_x).
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 633	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:33:00 - [12] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4 wrote: Because surely aiming mechanics and framerate has nothing to do with the effectiveness of different weapons and so on So why all the balances? Because surely any "balance" we can achieve now will go into the bin once aiming is fixed or IF it is fixed +1. This is why i never(well, almost never - contact 'nades got to me) ask for balancing. At this stage of the game, balancing is utterly pointless and a gross waste of dev time. To state the obvious: we don't even have the basic lineup of weapons and dropsuits yet. But far more important is that without hit detection, aiming, movement, animations, controls, etc. working as they should, balancing is a pipe dream. Look at what happened with the scout - changes in core mechanics altered the role and balance of the suit. Same for the mass drivers, and now changes that were misguidedly made to satisfy part of the playerbase need to be unmade. Learn the lesson peeps - wailing for balance changes is counterproductive. And pointless. The new player experience is f**** and will remain f*** until CCP addresses, successfully, the core mechanics, followed awfully damn close by dealing with the passive sp rewards for matches. Once CCP has accomplished these two make-it-or-break-it tasks DUST will begin to have a hope in hell of attracting a larger playerbase which will in turn give matchmaking the merest beginning of what it needs to actually work. Balancing. We can balance and rebalance this game until it doesn't exist anymore. But it would serve us all better if we crammed core mechanics down CCP's face until they get the message and thereby save this game. Because right now we are a dead man walking.
Cosgar ParagonX 3149	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:44:00 - [13] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: I honestly do not see the problem with aiming. It works perfectly fine for me. The issue I see is hit detection, which can be caused by poor hit boxes / lag. It just sounds like people want auto aim, to me. No, it doesn't work perfectly fine for you. You are just incredibly bad to the point that good aim wouldn't effect you. #uncomfortabletruth I actually have to agree with Dust Project. Except for having to play around with sensitivity after each patch, aiming seems fine. Hit detection is completely horrendous though. It's not as noticeable on some weapons, but it ruins weapons like the shotgun, nova knives, and oddly enough, the HMG. On your end it looks like aiming is the issue, but just the other day I was unlucky enough to turn to corner and meet a heavy with a boundless. Somehow, I managed to survive because his rounds couldn't connect. The guy had me dead to rights, inside his own optimal, bullets flying at me and I wasn't taking any damage.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 361	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:57:00 - [14] - Quote Why are we talking about aiming when balance is broken?.......
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 999	Posted - 2013.07.24 06:37:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: I honestly do not see the problem with aiming. It works perfectly fine for me. The issue I see is hit detection, which can be caused by poor hit boxes / lag. It just sounds like people want auto aim, to me. No, it doesn't work perfectly fine for you. You are just incredibly bad to the point that good aim wouldn't effect you. #uncomfortabletruth I actually have to agree with Dust Project. Except for having to play around with sensitivity after each patch, aiming seems fine. Hit detection is completely horrendous though. It's not as noticeable on some weapons, but it ruins weapons like the shotgun, nova knives, and oddly enough, the HMG. On your end it looks like aiming is the issue, but just the other day I was unlucky enough to turn to corner and meet a heavy with a boundless. Somehow, I managed to survive because his rounds couldn't connect. The guy had me dead to rights, inside his own optimal, bullets flying at me and I wasn't taking any damage. It has been scientifically broken down that aiming is the major problem. CCP has admitted this themselves. This is not up for debate.
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 48	Posted - 2013.07.24 07:26:00 - [16] - Quote Yes that is what is truly needed for Dust. Its crap FPS mechanics with aiming and hit detection seriously make this game just mediocre at best. Seriously, in this game I do fine but I do not aim nowhere near as good as I do in other shooters and Dust still makes me question why I even give it my time. I like playing with my corp but seriously make the game with more polish before adding more. This is why Dust also has a smaller fanbase is cause with poor FPS mechanics new players come in having to adjust themselves to the crap and find it not worthy to play when they can most likely just jump onto another shooter with more polish. At least the aiming and hit detection is nowhere as bad as it was when it launched in closed beta in April...god that was awful. But seriously CCP maybe you should hire some people who are more familiar with FPS games to help you out with the aiming and hit detection.
HYENAKILLER X Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2013.07.24 07:32:00 - [17] - Quote I play on ps3 and have lvl 4 sharpshooter. I do not miss and I suck. Sharpshooter helps so much. In longer ranges with ar I struggle.
steadyhand amarr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 976	Posted - 2013.07.24 08:32:00 - [18] - Quote Iv not had an issue with aiming for months now??? Is still a thing we rage about??
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 366	Posted - 2013.07.24 08:45:00 - [19] - Quote The original Uprising aiming still has me rolling in blind admiration for 1.2's fixes.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 62	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:15:00 - [20] - Quote Aiming is still not there where it could be and CCP nows this and is working on improvements. The reason so many believe aiming is ok is because they adapt to the broken mechanic. Meanwhile I do fine more less when it comes down to aiming but when going to a different shooter I notice the difference. And still aiming varies from game to game.

Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 747	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:21:00 - [21] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: I honestly do not see the problem with aiming. It works perfectly fine for me. The issue I see is hit detection, which can be caused by poor hit boxes / lag. It just sounds like people want auto aim, to me. No, it doesn't work perfectly fine for you. You are just incredibly bad to the point that good aim wouldn't effect you. #uncomfortabletruth Yeah that is the conclusion i reach too. I find the current aiming so "irritating", that i'm sure i will be a much nicer person if it gets fix it... Stop poking me !!... I can't cope anymore !!
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 317	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:48:00 - [22] - Quote I don't get it. Things feel fine to me. Been playing Battlefield 3 recently and can't notice the difference. I don't pay THAT much attention, I don't even play that much, but when I actually shoot at things they die. What exactly is the problem?
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 747	Posted - 2013.07.24 09:56:00 - [23] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: I don't get it. Things feel fine to me. Been playing Battlefield 3 recently and can't notice the difference. I don't pay THAT much attention, I don't even play that much, but when I actually shoot at things they die. What exactly is the problem? If you can't see a problem.. is obviously not a problem for you. But it is a problem for people that like being in the front line with an AR, or a SCR rifle / pistol, SMG, or a Shotgun. The current aiming mechanics are design to irritate and frustrate people that actually LIKES to aim in a shooter game.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1006	Posted - 2013.07.24 18:16:00 - [24] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Iv not had an issue with aiming for months now??? Is still a thing we rage about?? Do you have anything in PC? Then I would say you are having issues aiming.


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