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Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:35:00 -
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Thank you CCP for lowering the CPU of the Logistics CK0 Dropsuit by 60 the use of a logistics suit for sniping was clearly OP now destroy the charge sniper rifle and make Thale's TAR-07 sniper rifle more in line with with the Ishukone variant rather than the Charged version, that's how officer weapons is right. |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
711
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:42:00 -
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Thought it was getting lowered by 20 not 60? |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
40
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:43:00 -
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40 now actually, but if you have core skills maxed out already it's 60 ish. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
597
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:45:00 -
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I thought the CK.0 was the assault suit...did they lower the assault suit as well? |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
789
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:47:00 -
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Another one moaning about the logi suit no longer stepping in other niches?
I start to believe that everyone uses the cal logi for pretty much everything besides it's intended role. |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
40
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:48:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I thought the CK.0 was the assault suit...did they lower the assault suit as well? Cal logi is the Logistics CK0 in child slang terms, I prefer to speak formally. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
750
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:50:00 -
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Were people really using the cal logi suit for sniping too? |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
40
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:52:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Another one moaning about the logi suit no longer stepping in other niches?
I start to believe that everyone uses the cal logi for pretty much everything besides it's intended role. I hate to assume of what others think like you're doing yourself, but you are right I do use Cal logi but I didn't spend on sniper rifles. I have an Assault CK0 actually, not as a backup, that was my personal mistake in uprising. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3106
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:52:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Another one moaning about the logi suit no longer stepping in other niches?
I start to believe that everyone uses the cal logi for pretty much everything besides it's intended role. I bet they don't have any skills in any equipment. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
316
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:54:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Were people really using the cal logi suit for sniping too?
It's relatively common. Amarr logi is pretty common as well, I guess because of the sidearm....? |
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
186
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:54:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Were people really using the cal logi suit for sniping too?
Yea so, thats the phucking point. The game allowed the use of suits and weapon combos that broke tradional norms. If a heavy wanted to rock a sniper rifle that was a perfectly valid fit in CCP's mind and people did it.
Thats they whole point of versatility in fittings to create different and unique fittings outside of just a medic class. Thats what made the logistics suit worthwhile, Its tradeoff being in mobility however. Problem is the tradeoff really isnt there its movement is about on par with assualt suits and thats because assault suit speed is too low has been since 1.0. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2648
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:55:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Another one moaning about the logi suit no longer stepping in other niches?
I start to believe that everyone uses the cal logi for pretty much everything besides it's intended role. I bet they don't have any skills in any equipment. A very small number of all the people using it actually skilled into it to be a support player, especially after it became common knowledge that that suit outperformed all other Mediums. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
789
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:59:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Another one moaning about the logi suit no longer stepping in other niches?
I start to believe that everyone uses the cal logi for pretty much everything besides it's intended role. I hate to assume of what others think like you're doing yourself, but you are right I do use Cal logi but I didn't spend on snipers. I have an Assault CK0 actually, not as a backup, that was my personal mistake in uprising. What unjustified assumption have i made in my reply? You're explicitly mentioning the cal logi in relation to it's sniping capabilities as per:
Quote:Thank you CCP for lowering the CPU of the Logistics CK0 Dropsuit by 60 the use of a logistics suit for sniping was clearly OP Please clarify your position as your reply left me curious about what exactly you're trying to say here.
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Nelo Angel0
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
151
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:00:00 -
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are you kitten insane? thread/ |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
40
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:01:00 -
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It was clearly OP, I mean 600 damage on charge sniper.. that'll kill heavies in a Headshot, Isn't being slow enough already? |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
598
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:03:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I thought the CK.0 was the assault suit...did they lower the assault suit as well? Cal logi is the Logistics CK0 in child slang terms, I prefer to speak formally. OK, so you don't have a side arm and you obliviously aren't down in the trenches supporting your allies with injectors or repair tools...why isn't 432 CPU(with CPU bonus skill) enough to run a sniper and however many complex DMG mods you need? |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
40
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:06:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Nitrobeacon wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:I thought the CK.0 was the assault suit...did they lower the assault suit as well? Cal logi is the Logistics CK0 in child slang terms, I prefer to speak formally. OK, so you don't have a side arm and you obliviously aren't down in the trenches supporting your allies with injectors or repair tools...why isn't 432 CPU(with CPU bonus skill) enough to run a sniper and however many complex DMG mods you need? Haha good question, snipers like armour to deflect Ishukone rounds, a heavy is good enough to deflect charge rounds |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
144
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:10:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Thank you CCP for lowering the CPU of the Logistics CK0 Dropsuit by 60 the use of a logistics suit for sniping was clearly OP now destroy the charge sniper rifle and make Thale's TAR-07 sniper rifle more in line with with the Ishukone variant rather than the Charged version, that's how officer weapons is right.
I dislike that you complain about everything that kills you.scrub. |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
40
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:14:00 -
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Thank you for your opinion of me.. that's nice to know ^ ^ |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
750
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:16:00 -
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Were people really using the cal logi suit for sniping too? Yea so, thats the phucking point. The game allowed the use of suits and weapon combos that broke tradional norms. If a heavy wanted to rock a sniper rifle that was a perfectly valid fit in CCP's mind and people did it. Thats they whole point of versatility in fittings to create different and unique fittings outside of just a medic class. Thats what made the logistics suit worthwhile, Its tradeoff being in mobility however. Problem is the tradeoff really isnt there its movement is about on par with assualt suits and thats because assault suit speed is too low has been since 1.0. You can still fit a sniper rifle on the logi though.
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Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
149
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:24:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Were people really using the cal logi suit for sniping too?
I use a Minmatar logi for sniping.
You're screwed for sidearm, armour and shields, so you're basically toast if someone snipes you or gets close to you with any weapon more dangerous than a sharp stick.
The suit gives some recharge bonuses, is fairly fast and I can put precision enhancers and profile dampeners on it. These things are helpful for snipers.
With the equipment slots I can also run it as a semi-logi because I can hack, drop uplinks and carry REs.
Munch |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
149
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:30:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Were people really using the cal logi suit for sniping too? Yea so, thats the phucking point. The game allowed the use of suits and weapon combos that broke tradional norms. If a heavy wanted to rock a sniper rifle that was a perfectly valid fit in CCP's mind and people did it. Thats they whole point of versatility in fittings to create different and unique fittings outside of just a medic class. Thats what made the logistics suit worthwhile, Its tradeoff being in mobility however. Problem is the tradeoff really isnt there its movement is about on par with assualt suits and thats because assault suit speed is too low has been since 1.0. You can still fit a sniper rifle on the logi though.
Let's not forget that there isn't really a dedicated sniper armour.
Some people use assaults, some use logis, some use scouts. I've seen commando snipers. I've seen heavy snipers.
They all offer something to the sniper but none of them gives the sniper everything.
Munch |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
695
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:31:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:40 now actually, but if you have core skills maxed out already it's 60 ish.
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Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:36:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Nitrobeacon wrote:40 now actually, but if you have core skills maxed out already it's 60 ish. 53 Thank you for your correction |
Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization
51
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:59:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Thank you CCP for lowering the CPU of the Logistics CK0 Dropsuit by 60 the use of a logistics suit for sniping was clearly OP now destroy the charge sniper rifle and make Thale's TAR-07 sniper rifle more in line with with the Ishukone variant rather than the Charged version, that's how officer weapons is right.
I would say the only rational balancing at this point for the Thale's variant of the sniper rifle would be to make the zoom fidelity the same as the Ishukone rather than the Charged. If you are asking for a nerf of the officer rifle, then you have either not played sniper at all (at that level, of course, in skill/experience and SP), or you are a belligerent idiot.
I think the Logi's problem was lying in the sniper synergy, not with the rifle itself. |
ZorgTheMagnificent
SlaughterMoose
0
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:10:00 -
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What I don't get is why after creating arguably the nerdiest FPS in the world (I use 'nerdiest' in the most complementary sense and consider myself a proud member of nerd culture) CCP then feels the need to punish the nerdiest players? I spent many hours scanning the stats of every suit, weapon, skill and mod to figure out how to spend my skill points, why is CCP punishing it's most passionate fans? Sure some people will tell me if I wanted to be a sniper I should have skilled Gallente scout, in some ways it's a more logical choice, but on the pure numbers, a nerdy concept I know, I figured out that the Caldari logi was the best fitting for my needs, even though it means I sometimes have to bash trolls to death with my rifle, enough of a nerf already. Anyway, I understand that for playability sometimes game dynamics have to change, but why not improve things for the people who didn't pay attention rather then nobbling the people who did?
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Naedeus
DUST University Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:13:00 -
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Nitrobeacon wrote:Thank you CCP for lowering the CPU of the Logistics CK0 Dropsuit by 60 the use of a logistics suit for sniping was clearly OP now destroy the charge sniper rifle and make Thale's TAR-07 sniper rifle more in line with with the Ishukone variant rather than the Charged version, that's how officer weapons is right.
Snipers weren't nerfed indirectly... only those who use the Logistic dropsuits to snipe are. I use the Caldari Assault suit and none of my fittings have been disrupted.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
760
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:48:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Were people really using the cal logi suit for sniping too? Yea so, thats the phucking point. The game allowed the use of suits and weapon combos that broke tradional norms. If a heavy wanted to rock a sniper rifle that was a perfectly valid fit in CCP's mind and people did it. Thats they whole point of versatility in fittings to create different and unique fittings outside of just a medic class. Thats what made the logistics suit worthwhile, Its tradeoff being in mobility however. Problem is the tradeoff really isnt there its movement is about on par with assualt suits and thats because assault suit speed is too low has been since 1.0. You can still fit a sniper rifle on the logi though. Let's not forget that there isn't really a dedicated sniper armour. Some people use assaults, some use logis, some use scouts. I've seen commando snipers. I've seen heavy snipers. They all offer something to the sniper but none of them gives the sniper everything. Munch I just don't know why anyone would want to go logi for sniping unless it's Amarr logi. If you don't have a second weapon to help you out then you're pretty much SOL if someone finds you and approaches you. If you're using the logi for extra equipment then why not Amarr logi?
You're free to fit your suits however you want but having a sniper rifle as your only weapon makes about as much sense to me as a heavy with a shotgun and nova knives. |
Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:59:00 -
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ZorgTheMagnificent wrote:What I don't get is why after creating arguably the nerdiest FPS in the world (I use 'nerdiest' in the most complementary sense and consider myself a proud member of nerd culture) CCP then feels the need to punish the nerdiest players? I spent many hours scanning the stats of every suit, weapon, skill and mod to figure out how to spend my skill points, why is CCP punishing it's most passionate fans? Sure some people will tell me if I wanted to be a sniper I should have skilled Gallente scout, in some ways it's a more logical choice, but on the pure numbers, a nerdy concept I know, I figured out that the Caldari logi was the best fitting for my needs, even though it means I sometimes have to bash trolls to death with my rifle, enough of a nerf already. Anyway, I understand that for playability sometimes game dynamics have to change, but why not improve things for the people who didn't pay attention rather then nobbling the people who did?
Because sometimes 'working' and 'working as intended' are not the same thing. Sure the Caldari Logi made a good sniper, but that was not it's intended function. It was pretty clear that this was the case and yet people continued to do it and now they have to adjust their fits.
So, if anything, it's those of us that specced into things for their intended use that spent our SP wisely and not those who spent their SP to use something for a purpose other than it's intended function. |
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