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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:06:00 -
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All CCP said is that a defect has been filed. This is right and correct to do but does not necessarily mean that they are going to change it to how it is described ingame and cut the reps to 1/3 the current rate. The 'defect' may well be in the description and they could fix that instead. No one has any idea what CCP are going to do to rectify this situation, so stop assuming they are going to completely ruin tanks because it's not a foregone conclusion.
CCP knows there are problems with HAVs but there's been no mention of what they are going to dowith any of it, so stop jumping to conclusions. |
Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:07:00 -
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I thought assuming the worst was part of the forum experience... |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:07:00 -
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No, tank drivers must cry about every little thing and how its ruining their toys, they signed a contract to do so when they skilled in to them |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:13:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:No, tank drivers must cry about every little thing and how its ruining their toys, they signed a contract to do so when they skilled in to them
All weapons get a 10% increase to damage, AV included Turret Operation Skills are nerfed Profiency is removed PG Bonus is removed Shield/Armour bonuses are removed (We lose 15% eHP) We still haven't got a simple 'Lock' feature In two days it will be two months since Blam! has posted OBs are easier to get due to 6 Man Squads, HAVs are usually a main target Shield HAVs acceleration and top speed was nerfed
I think tankers have a right to complain. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:15:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Delta 749 wrote:No, tank drivers must cry about every little thing and how its ruining their toys, they signed a contract to do so when they skilled in to them All weapons get a 10% increase to damage, AV included Turret Operation Skills are nerfed Profiency is removed PG Bonus is removed Shield/Armour bonuses are removed (We lose 15% eHP) We still haven't got a simple 'Lock' feature In two days it will be two months since Blam! has posted OBs are easier to get due to 6 Man Squads, HAVs are usually a main target Shield HAVs acceleration and top speed was nerfed I think tankers have a right to complain.
Of course you do sweety Oh and the rumor mill says Blam was fired but Im not going to burn some money to check through linkedin to find out for sure so good luck with that |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:16:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:I think tankers have a right to complain. Yes, tankers do have a right to complain but what is currently happening is they are complaining about something that hasn't yet happened or even been announced as if it has been officially confirmed but it hasn't, so calm down and take a moment to realise the truth.
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Noc Tempre
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:27:00 -
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It doesn't matter if it ultimately gets fixed or not. It is the reveal that CCP hasn't the slightest f**king clue what is working/not working with vehicles that is getting people up in arms. The armor repair glitch isn't what matters here, the complete lack of brain cells in the balancing department is. |
Knight Soiaire
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:28:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:I think tankers have a right to complain. Yes, tankers do have a right to complain but what is currently happening is they are complaining about something that hasn't yet happened or even been announced as if it has been officially confirmed but it hasn't, so calm down and take a moment to realise the truth.
No. There is a possibility it could happen, and if we dont make enough noise now, CCP will probably go ahead and 'Fix' it, and armour tanks will be incredibly underpowered until we can eventually convince CCP to change it back.
And we all know how long that'd take. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1994
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:30:00 -
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CCP has said they will fix the "bug" IF we are not vocal about how we don't want the "bug" to be fixed, how the **** will they know that this is not what they want? Honestly, people that complain about people complaining is something I just don't understand, yes it hasn't happened yet, so what? We sit around until they do change it and then we can complain? Or we tell them No, this isn't what we want, and then they don't change it? |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:53:00 -
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My tank has no problem with bug fix. I will wait three minutes in redline to repair fully then. Problem solved. |
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:04:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:CCP has said they will fix the "bug" IF we are not vocal about how we don't want the "bug" to be fixed, how the **** will they know that this is not what they want? Honestly, people that complain about people complaining is something I just don't understand, yes it hasn't happened yet, so what? We sit around until they do change it and then we can complain? Or we tell them No, this isn't what we want, and then they don't change it? No CCP did not say they would fix it. A defect has been filed, that is all. Anything additional to that is made up by players.
And Im not complaining about complainers, Im trying to calm people down. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1994
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:09:00 -
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I'm just putting this here, and I've even bolded a key bit of information from a post from Cmdr Wang. So yes, we have a right to complain, and no we don't need to "calm" down either, they "fix" the problem and Armor Tanks are done, this coming from a Shield Tanker. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek IT Infotech
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:10:00 -
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Hopefully they "fix" the armour rep "bug" the same way they "fixed" the vehicle engineering skill.... by just changing the item description . Easy. |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:11:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:I'm just putting this here, and I've even bolded a key bit of information from a post from Cmdr Wang. So yes, we have a right to complain, and no we don't need to "calm" down either, they "fix" the problem and Armor Tanks are done, this coming from a Shield Tanker.
You think you survive six shots from my rail madrugar? |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1994
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:17:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:I'm just putting this here, and I've even bolded a key bit of information from a post from Cmdr Wang. So yes, we have a right to complain, and no we don't need to "calm" down either, they "fix" the problem and Armor Tanks are done, this coming from a Shield Tanker. You think you survive six shots from my rail madrugar?
You think you'll survive four of mine? Because without those reps, you're dead. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.21 11:19:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:And Im not complaining about complainers, Im trying to calm people down. Just remember CCP's track record with balancing decisions.
Remember how Breach AR's where the only useful variant? Look at their current state. Remember how well dropships worked a few builds before? I guess lightning does strike twice. Remember the days when people used Laser Rifles for other purposes than illumination? Bad luck for those people I guess. Remember the state of missile turrets after the massive nerf they received? This has been fixed in the meantime, but it was pitiful.
CCP has an impressive history with bad decisions so I absolutely understand anyone who thinks they need some help in the not-do-stupid-things department.
Personally, I've come to term with the little derp-moments CCP has about once a month. I just spread my SP out over a few roles and adapt to whatever currently works. But I feel for those who specialized into a role that is later turned invalid. Especially since CCP usually takes about half a year to fix it's own mistakes. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:08:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:I'm just putting this here, and I've even bolded a key bit of information from a post from Cmdr Wang. So yes, we have a right to complain, and no we don't need to "calm" down either, they "fix" the problem and Armor Tanks are done, this coming from a Shield Tanker. Aww cack, well now I look the fool - I stand corrected. I swear that wasn't there the first time I read it...
However, my initial point still stands. You do still need to calm down and stop assuming you all know what this 'fix' will be because you have no idea at all. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:13:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Django Quik wrote:And Im not complaining about complainers, Im trying to calm people down. Just remember CCP's track record with balancing decisions. Remember how Breach AR's where the only useful variant? Look at their current state. Remember how well dropships worked a few builds before? I guess lightning does strike twice. Remember the days when people used Laser Rifles for other purposes than illumination? Bad luck for those people I guess. Remember the state of missile turrets after the massive nerf they received? This has been fixed in the meantime, but it was pitiful. CCP has an impressive history with bad decisions so I absolutely understand anyone who thinks they need some help in the not-do-stupid-things department. Personally, I've come to term with the little derp-moments CCP has about once a month. I just spread my SP out over a few roles and adapt to whatever currently works. But I feel for those who specialized into a role that is later turned invalid. Especially since CCP usually takes about half a year to fix it's own mistakes. Yes, there have been bad nerfs in the past but a month or so ago CCP explicitly stated that they would be only making small, bit by bit, adjustments in terms of balance - look at the TAC AR fix for a very good example of sensible balance that happened recently or the rebuff that was given to missiles to make them useful again but not as ridiculous as they were. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1994
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:14:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:I'm just putting this here, and I've even bolded a key bit of information from a post from Cmdr Wang. So yes, we have a right to complain, and no we don't need to "calm" down either, they "fix" the problem and Armor Tanks are done, this coming from a Shield Tanker. Aww cack, well now I look the fool - I stand corrected. I swear that wasn't there the first time I read it... However, my initial point still stands. You do still need to calm down and stop assuming you all know what this 'fix' will be because you have no idea at all.
When you read the description of an Armor Repper, it reps only 1/3 of what it currently does, one would assume that the fix would be restoring that. As this is the intended armor reppage (Reppage? That's not even a real word, get out of here Jason.), then one would guess CCP would simply do that.
If that comes about, Armor is done, they won't be able to stand against AV and they'll struggle against Shield Tanks. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:19:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:When you read the description of an Armor Repper, it reps only 1/3 of what it currently does, one would assume that the fix would be restoring that. As this is the intended armor reppage (Reppage? That's not even a real word, get out of here Jason.), then one would guess CCP would simply do that.
If that comes about, Armor is done, they won't be able to stand against AV and they'll struggle against Shield Tanks. Yes, if that happens armor tanking will be as bad as shield tanking now is but that is a hell of an assumption. They could much easier just change the description like they did to fix the problem with the PG skill before (and yes I know that didn't help tanks but that's besides the point). |
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Racro 01 Arifistan
The Surrogates Of War
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:20:00 -
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You think you'll survive four of mine? Because without those reps, you're dead.[/quote] against a blaster tank its not the shots but how long you can survive. shield tanks are easier to chew through with blasters than railguns. and i personally prefer blasters. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1994
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:27:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:When you read the description of an Armor Repper, it reps only 1/3 of what it currently does, one would assume that the fix would be restoring that. As this is the intended armor reppage (Reppage? That's not even a real word, get out of here Jason.), then one would guess CCP would simply do that.
If that comes about, Armor is done, they won't be able to stand against AV and they'll struggle against Shield Tanks. Yes, if that happens armor tanking will be as bad as shield tanking now is but that is a hell of an assumption. They could much easier just change the description like they did to fix the problem with the PG skill before (and yes I know that didn't help tanks but that's besides the point).
This is CCP, one must assume the worst, because if you don't you're going to be very disappointed.
Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:You think you'll survive four of mine? Because without those reps, you're dead. against a blaster tank its not the shots but how long you can survive. shield tanks are easier to chew through with blasters than railguns. and i personally prefer blasters.
Your CQC Blaster vs my Hilltop Long Range Railgun. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:30:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:This is CCP, one must assume the worst, because if you don't you're going to be very disappointed.
I shall simply refer you to my previous post on this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1083092#post1083092 |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1994
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:38:00 -
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I'm not saying CCP don't make good fixes from time to time, but they **** up a lot, and this game is a full release. It really can't keep going with these nerfs that completely kill a play style for a group of players. Look at Dropships, there was quite a few players using them a while back, now all anyone uses them for is a solo taxi, you don't even need a good one in Corp Battles as they're just throwaway vehicles.
We've been watching Vehicles slowly get more and more ridiculous. Dropships are bad, LAVs are about to get hit by a nerf (We all know it's coming) and HAVs are just lulzy, we don't even have prototype vehicles and yet we're still trying to balance Standard Vehicles against Prototype AV, it's foolish. |
Mother Facker
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:26:00 -
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I think the bug will/should be fixed. It would bring Madrugers in line with Gunlogis. This though would leave both tanks in a rough spot against AV. Hopefully they then buff both resulting in the two tanks being balanced against each other and AV. |
Alldin Kan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:32:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:All CCP said is that a defect has been filed. This is right and correct to do but does not necessarily mean that they are going to change it to how it is described ingame and cut the reps to 1/3 the current rate. The 'defect' may well be in the description and they could fix that instead. No one has any idea what CCP are going to do to rectify this situation, so stop assuming they are going to completely ruin tanks because it's not a foregone conclusion.
CCP knows there are problems with HAVs but there's been no mention of what they are going to do with any of it, so stop jumping to conclusions.
Hopefully they go for fix of description... |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:33:00 -
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Mother Facker wrote:I think the bug will/should be fixed. It would bring Madrugers in line with Gunlogis. This though would leave both tanks in a rough spot against AV. Hopefully they then buff both resulting in the two tanks being balanced against each other and AV. STFU. If anything, shields should be buffed. |
French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.07.21 14:33:00 -
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OMG MY ARMOUR TANK CANNOT REPAIR 5k HP IN 1 ROTATION!?!?!? What am I going to do??? Now those shield tanks that only rep 1600 may have a chance to kill me, noooooooo!
QQ More armour tanking, caldari logi suiting babies, fixing something that is broken is what CCP is meant to do.
Welcome to the redline after you find out how hard it actually is to use a "real" tank now. |
Mother Facker
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.21 15:02:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Mother Facker wrote:I think the bug will/should be fixed. It would bring Madrugers in line with Gunlogis. This though would leave both tanks in a rough spot against AV. Hopefully they then buff both resulting in the two tanks being balanced against each other and AV. STFU. If anything, shields should be buffed. Learn to read you idiot. I said after the bug is fixed both should be buffed. |
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