the vocal minority of weak tankers try to represent us as a whole.

They blame their failure's on HUGE design flaws in the game (there are some technical issues) and cry foul when they are outwitted by a clever AV or fellow tanker.

Take TakeCoverorDie for example.

Our team were fielding 3 rail tanks. It was an attrition PC battle and we were not playing so much to win as to deal as much monetary damage as possible. The numbers were against us in this match. We were known to be on the field and already destroyed a couple of tanks earlier.

Guess what this fool does?

He CONGA LINES with a second tank directly behind him (a red flag there. Conga Lines are horrible for tanks) with a BLASTER turret upon his tank. He gets hit a few times (an example of a sturdy build in the hands of an idiot), gets stuck due to a mix of user error, bad positioning, and general lack of situational awareness and gets blown up by the AV we were positioning near him.

Is this a CCP error that needs direct fixing, or is this an example of his own failings in the role?


HERE IS WHAT I THINK IS LEGITIMATE in regards to caldari tanks,

Increase PG/CPU a bit so they can fit more of their essential modules. Balance it carefully so we don't have a god-mode here.

Increase range/damage of their missile turrets. Even though I do stress HEAVILY on the importance of situational awareness, their bread and butter anti armor weapon needs a bit of a buff to be a bit more threatening.

Increase base move speed.


I DO NOT SUPPORT

-Any change that allows them to be superior vs. Infantry AND tanks.
-Any change that GREATLY increases PG/CPU for either Caldari or Gallente models.
Often times people think they are entitled to a win just because their vehicle is pricey. I am not one of those.
Cleverness, skill, teamwork should win the day, no matter how 'godly' the vehicle.

Here is my problem with the whole proto tank idea -
I have fits that can resist well against the normal (and damage modded) Proto level weaponry easily 1v1 or 1v2...
I am imagining that with the current level of Proto AV as it is, with a similar build and the ability to fit larger plates
even proto AV wouldn't be strong enough and if you weren't bringing full Proto, it would be an "I-Win" button for me, with the only counter being another tank or the entire other team fielding various AV. I don't like this.

Why?

Because it doesn't support squad-based combat.

The current situation between AV and Vehicles DEMANDS strong teamwork between squadmates.
Clear Communication
Intel being regularly reported
Flexibility of multiple roles within the squad able to kill or suppress enemy AV
and more.

These things can greatly increase your life expectancy.

Congratulations! You can defeat the braindead 90% of tankers who don't know how to build their tanks!

But lets get serious.

How would you react if even with a full squad's worth of proto AV you couldn't ding me because with my knowledge of builds, I just transfer it to an even stronger chassis? It wouldn't be fun.

I've run across you before.

You've never claimed one of my tanks.

Good luck in the future!

I pumped 10 straight ishukone assault FG shots with damage mods into blammos maddy to take him down...conescutive shots, like all in a row in the shortest time possible... it takes 9 shots for me to down a suppl depot.

This makes me think that tanks are fine and tankers are bad, but i think the shield reppers should be buffed to be as effective as armor reppers, make the shield tanks a bit more viable since they already deal with FG and railgun weaknesses.

Also think marauders should be brought back as they were, ran a sagaris last build, thought it was well balanced other than being too expensive and missles being useless against infantry & railgun snipers.

HAV-life is a hard one, but ultimately rewarding once you figure out how to build your tanks and outwit your opponents. Sometimes swallowing pride and recalling when an entire squad sports rage hardons for your tank.

I believe a full tank CREW should be required to OPERATE a tank.

instead of needing to harden the **** up, the tankers whining on this forum about how UP their tanks are just need to smarten the **** up. A properly fit non-militia tank with a crew that knows what they're doing are hard to take down and impossible to solo.

So you want your cake and you want to eat it too, huh? It's wrong for one person to solo a tank but it's okay for one person to solo an entire team? **** that noise.

I'm not and haven't been talking to you Mary; but you bring up a very good point.



I agree it's totally not fun and in regards to Son-Of A-Gun's earlier comment; requiring a six man proto squad to take out a tank would be a pain in the ass and totally is not fun.

And I'd love to provide video proof of it Son-Of A-Gun but not everybody has access to equipment to record with. All I can provide is anecdotal evidence but so far that's all tankers that whine about UP tanks have provided as well. So I say to you; footage or it didn't happen.

What I expect is to see is a non-militia tank properly fitted with a driver that knows what they're doing and it being solo'd.

I'm sorry Son-Of A-Gun, I wasn't paying attention and forgot whom I originally quoted. I'll correct my mistake.

Also my request was a bit more tricky than just recording getting a kill after all anyone can say a tank was properly fitted so we'll have to see the actual fit. So it'll require two people recording (the tanker & AV'er). You can pick whoever you want to be in the tank and the video will prove whether or not s/he actually knows what they're doing.