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Exmaple Core
Who Gives A Flux
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:56:00 -
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In chrosome, we had weak lavs that was able to get 2 hit by standard AV nades and easily moped up by miltia AV. it got its owner around as intended and the lavs you speced into was reasonably durable and versitile, it was great. Then in the regression to Uprising, the milita lavs do not die, get ppl were they need to be and kills everyone. Also, the Speced lavs are more dangerous, survivable and mobility. So, we asked for the lavs to go back to their most perfect state and only be reliable transports again. A logical solution right?
Instead, no one can have lavs because their blue print is being removed. Also, lavs are being added with a higher shield recharge rate than tanks, built in resistance mods to continue them being more durable, and a missle launcher to look cute as ppl get ran over. Wtf? that is the exact opposite of what we wanted. Weve been cringing and QQing to get these things nerfed but instead ppl have to walk and those who do use lavs get batter lavs. Thats how we fix the current lav promblem, yes.
We want shield tanks buffed to be on par with armor tanks and tanks to suck a whole lot less against AV. AV isentreally OP, our tanks suck balls so its OP to us. We also want dropships to become usefull, these things are useless.
So, im anticipating the armor tanks to get nerfed to be on par with shield tanks so all tanks will be worthless in all senarios while AV grenades 2 shot everything but lavs instead of 3 shotting them like they do now. And dropships will remain untouched and forget about, as usually.
^ considering CCPs history on grasping vehicals, this is prolly accurate. Do the opposite of what they want! |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:19:00 -
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gbghg wrote:The removal of free LAV's is a very good thing ice wanted for ages, it now means that lav's have some value, and it will make speccing into them more valuable. Maple how do you think people would treat tanks if everyone had access to a free fit?
If ppl had free miltia tank fits than it would get alot of players blown up and ppl would get the drift to not use them becuase of how reta rd UP they are. srly, all youl be doing is getting blown up in those whhy use them? miltia lavs are more survivable on the other hand and 1 hit ppl on the ram. So they do anti infaintry like a tank does and still survives to do it again and again in the same battle. Thats the difference, if LAVs were weak back to what they were in chromosome were no one complained about lavs because they were reasonable, then they would continue to be reasonable and no one would bring this up as an issue. Now ppl are gona get cought by the ppl who speced into LLAV wich are getting buffed because they dont have a ride. Feel bad for the new players. If they nerfed them back to what they were new players could at least get away |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:39:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:gbghg wrote:The removal of free LAV's is a very good thing ice wanted for ages, it now means that lav's have some value, and it will make speccing into them more valuable. Maple how do you think people would treat tanks if everyone had access to a free fit? If ppl had free miltia tank fits than it would get alot of players blown up and ppl would get the drift to not use them becuase of how reta rd UP they are. srly, all youl be doing is getting blown up in those whhy use them? miltia lavs are more survivable on the other hand and 1 hit ppl on the ram. So they do anti infaintry like a tank does and still survives to do it again and again in the same battle. Thats the difference, if LAVs were weak back to what they were in chromosome were no one complained about lavs because they were reasonable, then they would continue to be reasonable and no one would bring this up as an issue. Now ppl are gona get cought by the ppl who speced into LLAV wich are getting buffed because they dont have a ride. Feel bad for the new players. If they nerfed them back to what they were new players could at least get away What would happen is that people would be like "why spec into them and pay isk when you get loads of free ones?" any kind of free vehicles instantly devalue any one who decides to specialising into them. Making infantry have to actually pay isk and sp for their vehicles will hopefully make them more aware of the issues vehicles face and will help them understand how vehicles work more. This is quite simply one of the best moves CCP could have made.
I almost agree. I wont say that this is a "bad" fix but this also opens up more promblems. The sagas are getting buffed with built in hardners and a fearsome natural recharge rate that is greater than a tanks (wich a tank should have -_-) so their becoming more hardy than they are. Plus, the veteran players are pretty gone and this game is populated by open beta, low SP noobs who dont know how to play. Their not going to be able to comprehend or afford to buy milita lavs their gona walk. So, those who speced into lavs already are gona come out with buffs and run everyone over even harder. Noobs are going to see this and spec into this because they cant win the conventional methods of warfare (i.e. shoooting ppl) and continue to run ppl over. The promblem will arise again.
Like i said in the OP. We asked for a fix because Lavs are too powerful, they are harder to kill than tanks and kill everyone they touch, a very easy feat as we all know. So, free lavs are removed and the exsisting, powerful lavs gets buffed. That is the oppisite of what we asked for, now ppl are going to spec into lavs and kill everyone with even more impossible to kill Lavs |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:59:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:gbghg wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:gbghg wrote:The removal of free LAV's is a very good thing ice wanted for ages, it now means that lav's have some value, and it will make speccing into them more valuable. Maple how do you think people would treat tanks if everyone had access to a free fit? If ppl had free miltia tank fits than it would get alot of players blown up and ppl would get the drift to not use them becuase of how reta rd UP they are. srly, all youl be doing is getting blown up in those whhy use them? miltia lavs are more survivable on the other hand and 1 hit ppl on the ram. So they do anti infaintry like a tank does and still survives to do it again and again in the same battle. Thats the difference, if LAVs were weak back to what they were in chromosome were no one complained about lavs because they were reasonable, then they would continue to be reasonable and no one would bring this up as an issue. Now ppl are gona get cought by the ppl who speced into LLAV wich are getting buffed because they dont have a ride. Feel bad for the new players. If they nerfed them back to what they were new players could at least get away What would happen is that people would be like "why spec into them and pay isk when you get loads of free ones?" any kind of free vehicles instantly devalue any one who decides to specialising into them. Making infantry have to actually pay isk and sp for their vehicles will hopefully make them more aware of the issues vehicles face and will help them understand how vehicles work more. This is quite simply one of the best moves CCP could have made. I almost agree. I wont say that this is a "bad" fix but this also opens up more promblems. The sagas are getting buffed with built in hardners and a fearsome natural recharge rate that is greater than a tanks (wich a tank should have -_-) so their becoming more hardy than they are. Plus, the veteran players are pretty gone and this game is populated by open beta, low SP noobs who dont know how to play. Their not going to be able to comprehend or afford to buy milita lavs their gona walk. So, those who speced into lavs already are gona come out with buffs and run everyone over even harder. Noobs are going to see this and spec into this because they cant win the conventional methods of warfare (i.e. shoooting ppl) and continue to run ppl over. The promblem will arise again. Like i said in the OP. We asked for a fix because Lavs are too powerful, they are harder to kill than tanks and kill everyone they touch, a very easy feat as we all know. So, free lavs are removed and the exsisting, powerful lavs gets buffed. That is the oppisite of what we asked for, now ppl are going to spec into lavs and kill everyone with even more impossible to kill Lavs I have to agree that it doesn't solve the murder taxi issue, though it gone some way to reducing the amount you see. Well probably have to wait untill 1.4 for it to be fixed but at least they're working on it. And I think your getting the saga co feed with the sage 2, which is a tier 2 vehicle. Think of it this way, if a tier 2 LAV is better than a tier 1 tank, what must the tier 2 tanks be like?
i belive its a temperorary fix wich is cool and all, it will make playing infaintry less gay for awhile untill it gets worse than it is now. With any luck, the other fixes will improve the situation. Tho with how rough this start is i think they will only make them worse, for all vehicals.
I belive you were there for the Black Ops tanks in closed beta right? i belive they were like, 10 months ago. CCP took them out because "they were broken and needed to be fixed". Our advanced tanks, the sagaris and surya, were awsume, very proper and fair tanks. Then CCP said "they are broken and need to be fixed". So were prolly never getting them back. But, a tier 2 lav should not be more combat effective than a tier one tank. My gunlogi should be better at killing ppl than the saga 2. Ones a tank and ones a jeep. nuff said. Jeep can only have one small weapon and i can have 2 of whatever weapon it picks plus a large weapon. More than twice the amount of firepower, lavs should not compare at all |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:25:00 -
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gbghg wrote:@maple I was talking about survivability, not firepower. Tanks will always be the king in that regard. The lav's being such good killers right now is down to the murder taxi issue, but that said back in chromosome I knew of a couple of methana fits thT could give a tank a run for it's money in kill count, provided it had a good crew that is.
And unfortunately I wasn't, I first got into the closed beta around September but for various reasons didn't start playing u til January.
Ah i see. Judging by your likes i thought you wouldve been here by the beginning. Obviously you just a very likable person ;)
If their speed/maneuverability plus the decent tanking ability they have can get them out of situations than thats cool, np with that, no reason a jeep cant get away from stuff. But like you said, lavs have more firepower than tanks because of its bumper (excuse the exaggeration but its true) and the buffs comming out to the lavs are making them even more survivable! The lavs are showing up tanks pretty hard. Its getting to the point were they can straight up sit still and survive as much punishment as a tank, go were they please and run everyone over. The tank and derpship changes in 1.4 better change the tanks into, youknow, tanks and morph the derpships into dropships. But they wont, because CCP does the opposite of what we want. The vehical devs dont post on the forums so the vehical guys remaining take orders from the dropsuit department, as someone stated |
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