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French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:02:00 -
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Is it me or does it seem a bit absurd that a "LIGHT" weapon can slowly but surely ship away at a "heavy" vehicle (we all know the gunlogi is not the best tank atm but meh, prefer its' look...
I was in a match in my 5khp+ gunlogi when I start getting shot, small amount of shields go so think nothing of it, it doesn't stop and I notice this guy stood there shooting me with a mass driver, I couldn't kill the guy since he ran a lot faster than my turret could turn so I drove away a little to give myself time for shield boosters and shockingly he is there again.... I don't give a flying f about the isk that I lost it's how I lost it. A light weapon should not be able to go 1v1 vs a tank, it's like hey Mr.Leviathan, my name is Ibis, pewpewpew {Wreck[Leviathan]}, no...
It was just unreal, I know flaylocks are going to be "balanced" and I know the mass driver was useless before but there is a thing called "moderation", anyone know if anything has been said about the mass drivers yet? So many corps run around just using mass/flay, kind of no fun to play unless you just red line which is lame...
/Rant
P.s. The Ibis wasn't fitted with a cyno it had civilian mining laser and civilian gun installed ;) |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:04:00 -
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HTFU ADAPT OR DIIIIIIIIIIIIE IGNORE FLAWED GAME DESIGN
BUY AURUM |
Viktor Zokas
187. League of Infamy
14
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:04:00 -
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I find it outrageous that the wind can slowly erode rocks over time. CCP fix plz. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:12:00 -
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If a mass driver killed your shield tank while at full health I'm thinking either something you didn't see was hitting you, or your tank sucks.
Shield tanks are bad but that's pathetic
Edit: I just realized I may have been trolled -.- |
The Infected One
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
312
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:17:00 -
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Oh no! I sat still and couldn't kill anyone in my tank and a guy sitting on a supply depot killed spent 20 minutes of a 30 minute domination shooting me with a militia AR and I died. Its not that I died that bothers me, its the fact that I AM A TREEIBLE TANKER who can't figure out how to either move away, or shoot the solitary infantry, or even more challenging....move and shoot? To get said non AV, weak ass infantry with a light weapon to die.
If you can't kill him, and he's following you around annoying you, drive towards your own blue dots and let them kill him.
I've killed a Gunnlogi with my freedom MD before in a no show PC battle to test the effectiveness of the explosions on vehicle shields and armor, it takes forever!
Seriously dude. Its not the arrow, its the Indian that's the problem here. |
French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:17:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:If a mass driver killed your shield tank while at full health I'm thinking either something you didn't see was hitting you, or your tank sucks.
Shield tanks are bad but that's pathetic
Edit: I just realized I may have been trolled -.-
No genuinely, he kept running around me shooting me with a mass driver, if I got out to shoot him he would have just killed me since my suit sucks, I have 5k hp with 1 passive hardener on... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
984
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:20:00 -
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This is just hilarious...
Yes vehicles are UP but come on... he had to have gone through something like 50 rounds to take out 5000 shield hp. |
French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:25:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:This is just hilarious...
Yes vehicles are UP but come on... he had to have gone through something like 50 rounds to take out 5000 shield hp.
It wasn't a fast fight... I tried to drive away, even blow his lav up but he jumped out before and kept shooting me, sigh! He must have been laughing his ass off, I would have been lol. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
984
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:31:00 -
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You should have just recalled it lol. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
173
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:47:00 -
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Yes, the Mass Driver can perform a really bad pseudo-AV if you want to. This is one of the strengths/versatilities of the weapon. Does that mean is it should be nerfed? No way. When used as AV it is much much worse than the Swarm launcher, the Forgegun or even the Plasma Cannon.
Yes, I've soloed tanks before. But they were only militia, while I was using proto, plus I had to hit them with all 3 flux grenades and then just about every Mass Driver round that I can carry.
Most of the time against real tanks, I can assist by adding a bit of damage while proper AV users try to take it down. But I'm definitely not soloing them. You either had some really bad luck, or went against a very skilled player.
Please don't nerf the MD again, it just became viable/competitive. |
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Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
62
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:48:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:You should have just recalled it lol.
From a guy with 'French' in his name I really expected nothing less of the OP than to lose and lose badly.
Seriously though OP, tanks are faster than running. How did you NOT get away? |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
695
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Posted - 2013.07.17 21:51:00 -
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Dont know how long it would take to solo a gunnlogi with my MD but I imagine it would involve an awful lot of trips to the nearest supply depot for extra hives. Also I wouldn't be firing my MD at a shield tank I would be fluxing it.
Also just for the lulz it takes about 1-2 flux's and 3-4 rounds from an EXO-5 to destroy an unmodded sica. |
French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
15
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:00:00 -
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Crow Splat wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:You should have just recalled it lol. From a guy with 'French' in his name I really expected nothing less of the OP than to lose and lose badly. Seriously though OP, tanks are faster than running. How did you NOT get away?
My name is from a small cake/treat/thingy, I am not french but if I got out to recall it I would have got md'd to death.... |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
92
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:01:00 -
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French Fancy wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:If a mass driver killed your shield tank while at full health I'm thinking either something you didn't see was hitting you, or your tank sucks.
Shield tanks are bad but that's pathetic
Edit: I just realized I may have been trolled -.- No genuinely, he kept running around me shooting me with a mass driver, if I got out to shoot him he would have just killed me since my suit sucks, I have 5k hp with 1 passive hardener on...
FYI, you may not know this, but there is something called a BREACH mass driver. It is designed to specifically kill vehicles. It does a "crap ton" of damage and has virtually no splash. It's made for direct hits.
Keep that in mind while I explain the rest.
Secondly, a mass driver is highly effective against armor. The second you lose your shields on your tank, it'll take one clip of any mass driver for you to lose your entire armor and die. Now, this may sound rather... unnerving, but there are things called FLUX grenades. These babies can take out your shields, really effectively. They do something like 1400+ shield damage every grenade. The prototype grenades can do something like 1700+ shield damage...
Add that up. Assuming he was soloing you, which you should realize is EXTREMELY EASY TO DO TO ANY TANKER, he most likely used flux grenades and a breach mass driver. Don't lose hope though, next time you pull out your tank why don't you consider staying with your squad. A Solo tank is a noob tank. Don't run solo. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
486
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:02:00 -
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you are bad. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:04:00 -
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There had to have been some flux grenades mixed in. I blow up Gunlogis all the time with an EXO-5 or Breach, but you need fluxes to kill the shields first and ~90% of all MD users are guaranteed to carry flux grenades. |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
148
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:05:00 -
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It's easy enough to kill militia tanks via flux + mass driver but I haven't had the chance to destroy any of the others with one(although I did destroy a shieldless gunlogi the other day). |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2448
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:05:00 -
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You're just lucky it wasn't a Flaylock bro. |
French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:09:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:French Fancy wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:If a mass driver killed your shield tank while at full health I'm thinking either something you didn't see was hitting you, or your tank sucks.
Shield tanks are bad but that's pathetic
Edit: I just realized I may have been trolled -.- No genuinely, he kept running around me shooting me with a mass driver, if I got out to shoot him he would have just killed me since my suit sucks, I have 5k hp with 1 passive hardener on... FYI, you may not know this, but there is something called a BREACH mass driver. It is designed to specifically kill vehicles. It does a "crap ton" of damage and has virtually no splash. It's made for direct hits. Keep that in mind while I explain the rest. Secondly, a mass driver is highly effective against armor. The second you lose your shields on your tank, it'll take one clip of any mass driver for you to lose your entire armor and die. Now, this may sound rather... unnerving, but there are things called FLUX grenades. These babies can take out your shields, really effectively. They do something like 1400+ shield damage every grenade. The prototype grenades can do something like 1700+ shield damage... Add that up. Assuming he was soloing you, which you should realize is EXTREMELY EASY TO DO TO ANY TANKER, he most likely used flux grenades and a breach mass driver. Don't lose hope though, next time you pull out your tank why don't you consider staying with your squad. A Solo tank is a noob tank. Don't run solo.
Didn't see the name of the MD but I am sure I didn't see the flux bubbles though and I also had no squad that fight they were offline :|, Live and learn ^^
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French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
15
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:15:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:You're just lucky it wasn't a Flaylock bro.
You made me giggle, I have actually had people try to shoot me in flylocks in tank before |
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
59
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:46:00 -
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I think this is just a great example showing one of the weaknesses of tanks. Without infantry support they are vulnerable to tactics like what the OP saw, or from av. They are not invulnerable death machines without support.
To the op, when you said your turret couldn't track him, were you referring to your main cannon, the one designed to take out vehicles and installations, or were you talking about one of the small blaster turrets on your tank, the ones designed for taking out infantry? |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:50:00 -
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Viktor Zokas wrote:I find it outrageous that the wind can slowly erode rocks over time. CCP fix plz.
Signed. |
Mad Syringe
Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:29:00 -
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Hey Dude, sorry you lost your Tank... (Did I just say that?)
But when I hear "tank" on the comms, the first thing I do, is switching to my av fit which involves some sort of Breach MD,Proxies and Flux Nades. I then try a combination of these tools to anihilate your tank. This might even involve jumping on your metal coffin after its been fluxed, for easier shooting at you (and some lolz)! Needless to say that most of the time your tank gets taken out by av nades or swarms before i can even get to you. But if I fluxed your shields and maybe lured you into my proxies, I might as well take the rest of your miserable vehicle out with my Breach MD.
This is not something easily achieved (except with paper tanks), but when I prevail you should better rethink your tactics...
Most of the time tank kills are a team effort though and I barely get an assist...
Hail to all AV Massholes...
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The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1699
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:30:00 -
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OP seems to be the worst tank driver ever. I could somehow understand it if it was a armor tank on low health but a shield tank? Seriousy what where you doing? Playing the sitting duck and let him keep shoting you? |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
813
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:46:00 -
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I...
Your tank is aweful if you died from this.
What is your fitting? |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
698
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Posted - 2013.07.17 23:57:00 -
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I read this and assumed a MD guy taking on a tank would be using flux's but this has to be a joke topic taking out a gunnlogi with MD's only is like entering a backside kicking contest with a hedgehog. |
Jaqueline Apples
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.07.18 00:03:00 -
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i use mass drivers and shield tanks so i see exactly how this could have happened, provided you aren't complete garbage.
He probably set down a nanohive, fluxed u 3 times, then drilled through your armor in 4 shots. I've had this done to me and ive done it to others. |
Medic 1879
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
698
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Posted - 2013.07.18 00:10:00 -
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Jaqueline Apples wrote:i use mass drivers and shield tanks so i see exactly how this could have happened, provided you aren't complete garbage.
He probably set down a nanohive, fluxed u 3 times, then drilled through your armor in 4 shots. I've had this done to me and ive done it to others.
I know I MD as well but this guy is claiming now fluxes happened lol so either this is a joke in which case 8/10 for the OP or it was a case of worst tanker/most patient MDer ever. |
Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
64
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Posted - 2013.07.18 00:10:00 -
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French Fancy wrote:Crow Splat wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:You should have just recalled it lol. From a guy with 'French' in his name I really expected nothing less of the OP than to lose and lose badly. Seriously though OP, tanks are faster than running. How did you NOT get away? My name is from a small cake/treat/thingy, I am not french but if I got out to recall it I would have got md'd to death....
You missed the part where tanks are faster than infantry. you could have easily run away.
I wasn't insinuating you were French, merely referencing their war record. The point is that in a game about war, one should avoid anything remotely resembling France. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
599
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Posted - 2013.07.18 00:18:00 -
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French Fancy wrote:Is it me or does it seem a bit absurd that a "LIGHT" weapon can slowly but surely ship away at a "heavy" vehicle (we all know the gunlogi is not the best tank atm but meh, prefer its' look...
I was in a match in my 5khp+ gunlogi when I start getting shot, small amount of shields go so think nothing of it, it doesn't stop and I notice this guy stood there shooting me with a mass driver, I couldn't kill the guy since he ran a lot faster than my turret could turn so I drove away a little to give myself time for shield boosters and shockingly he is there again.... I don't give a flying f about the isk that I lost it's how I lost it. A light weapon should not be able to go 1v1 vs a tank, it's like hey Mr.Leviathan, my name is Ibis, pewpewpew {Wreck[Leviathan]}, no...
It was just unreal, I know flaylocks are going to be "balanced" and I know the mass driver was useless before but there is a thing called "moderation", anyone know if anything has been said about the mass drivers yet? So many corps run around just using mass/flay, kind of no fun to play unless you just red line which is lame...
/Rant
P.s. The Ibis wasn't fitted with a cyno it had civilian mining laser and civilian gun installed ;)
Well..... you see..... I call this as a pilot error. The fact you let him work you to the point of dying is your fault for letting him do it. I don't care how fast he is at sprinting, your tank is FAR faster |
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