DUST Search - Could LAVs be working as intended?

THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:

Poplo Furuya wrote:

THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:

Daxxis KANNAH wrote:

Yes I am baiting.

I really dont understand the Op's thread and intent.

We all know that the LAV isnt working as intended. It is meant for transport and attack (mainly using turret but also hitting people) but CCP went too far making them too durable and easy to handle. They were shortsighted and created this problem and still havent addressed it.

They should kill more from turrets and kill less from ramming (probably having to hit a suit multiple times given suits health) and maybe made a bit less durable.

The whole thread is one big bait.

i would kill from LAV turret but the LAV doesnt drive by itself

i have no complaint about LAV , they are good the way they are

if you get run over its your fault

without LAV or weaker LAV to the point where ppl would stop using them the game would become a campers heaven

LAV are tactic , like it or not

AFKing is a sound tactic to get stable ISK and SP returns, like it or not.

Does this mean that's how it should be? No.

About LAVs stopping the game being a "camper's heaven"... the same LAVs that encourage you to stay put in closed areas, keeping away from roads and the open? You what mate?

There's other reasons to do as such but to propose that LAVs prevent camping is preposterous.

What myself and some others want isn't for the LAV to be cycled out, we want it to be reborn as a fast attack vehicle with a formidable turret or, in the Logi's case, a true support vehicle that serves as a transport to get fighting suits into the fray and bolster them with shield transfers while they're there.

LAVs currently do one thing in one way. If we could get them to a point where there's incentive to utilise them in a variety of roles that would be great.

i use LLAV with 3 roles that im not gona divulge , if LLAV would die like the free LAV i couldnt execute those roles and it would cost me a lot

hell i wouldnt even use LAV

LAV's work as intended , its YOUR fault if you cant hear it coming or check the radar or look left/right before crossing the street/open area known for LAV traffic

all you want is go from here to there with no worries and kill everything in sight , like i said CoD ...


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Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 360	Posted - 2013.07.15 23:39:00 - [1] - Quote I've seen the LLAV Shield Transfer in use a total of one time. I imagine most of us don't even know what it looks like. It's also hilarious how the concession to supposedly neuter the LLAV's offensive prowess in exchange for their durability is a damage debuff on the turret. I'd honestly love to see LAVs on the field actually using a driver and gunner partnership to engage foes. MLT Blaster has a very low effective range, however, and MLT Missiles are slow projectiles, slow firing, pretty low damage output and prone to flying out of the barrel at up to a 45 degree angle if you're not completely still. Most who try their hands at gunning will encounter these, with neither them or the driver possessing any investment in Turret Operation for up to a combined +20% damage bonus. Not the best first impression and it drives people away from thinking that, yes, it can actually work. Stabilised Blasters on a Scout LAV with Turret Operation... it's a smoother ride with smoother tracking, far superior damage, range and zoom on the turret. Complete paradigm shift. Briefly been on the shooting end with a couple ranks of TurretOp (it's a 1x skill, all turret skills are, dead cheap) and it's great. More of this type of LAV use in-game would be amazing. Assault buggies are awesome fun to fight as and against. Murder taxis are unsatisfactory to be on the receiving end of and deteriorate from the feel of the game. Kinda takes you out of it, the sillyness of yellow cabs wheeling around to seek out unwary pedestrians. An assault buggy which gets some road kills is a very different thing to a murder taxi existing solely to weaponise it's bumper. More often than not it's actually a bit like they're playing their own game, everyone else is playing Dust while those few are playing Carmageddon. Basically I would love to fight alongside LAVs, for LAVs to be a part of each side's forces. At the moment they're opportunists scoring some cheap kills that are ultimately removed and insulated from the main flow of battle. Not that the flow of battle is great at the moment. Skirmish, Ambush and their various maps haven't been designed with the question of 'what gameplay do we want to promote and enable?' in mind. That there is one of the biggest problems with Dust but that's enough rambling for one day. tl;dr: this detritus is fornicated
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 370	Posted - 2013.07.16 17:25:00 - [2] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Yes I am baiting. I really dont understand the Op's thread and intent. We all know that the LAV isnt working as intended. It is meant for transport and attack (mainly using turret but also hitting people) but CCP went too far making them too durable and easy to handle. They were shortsighted and created this problem and still havent addressed it. They should kill more from turrets and kill less from ramming (probably having to hit a suit multiple times given suits health) and maybe made a bit less durable. The whole thread is one big bait. i would kill from LAV turret but the LAV doesnt drive by itself i have no complaint about LAV , they are good the way they are if you get run over its your fault without LAV or weaker LAV to the point where ppl would stop using them the game would become a campers heaven LAV are tactic , like it or not AFKing is a sound tactic to get stable ISK and SP returns, like it or not. Does this mean that's how it should be? No. About LAVs stopping the game being a "camper's heaven"... the same LAVs that encourage you to stay put in closed areas, keeping away from roads and the open? You what mate? There's other reasons to do as such but to propose that LAVs prevent "camping" is preposterous. What myself and some others want isn't for the LAV to be cycled out, we want it to be reborn as a fast attack vehicle with a formidable turret or, in the Logi's case, a true support vehicle that serves as a transport to get fighting suits into the fray and bolster them with shield transfers while they're there. LAVs currently do one thing in one way. If we could get them to a point where there's incentive to utilise them in a variety of roles that would be great.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2013.07.16 17:56:00 - [3] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Poplo Furuya wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Yes I am baiting. I really dont understand the Op's thread and intent. We all know that the LAV isnt working as intended. It is meant for transport and attack (mainly using turret but also hitting people) but CCP went too far making them too durable and easy to handle. They were shortsighted and created this problem and still havent addressed it. They should kill more from turrets and kill less from ramming (probably having to hit a suit multiple times given suits health) and maybe made a bit less durable. The whole thread is one big bait. i would kill from LAV turret but the LAV doesnt drive by itself i have no complaint about LAV , they are good the way they are if you get run over its your fault without LAV or weaker LAV to the point where ppl would stop using them the game would become a campers heaven LAV are tactic , like it or not AFKing is a sound tactic to get stable ISK and SP returns, like it or not. Does this mean that's how it should be? No. About LAVs stopping the game being a "camper's heaven"... the same LAVs that encourage you to stay put in closed areas, keeping away from roads and the open? You what mate? There's other reasons to do as such but to propose that LAVs prevent camping is preposterous. What myself and some others want isn't for the LAV to be cycled out, we want it to be reborn as a fast attack vehicle with a formidable turret or, in the Logi's case, a true support vehicle that serves as a transport to get fighting suits into the fray and bolster them with shield transfers while they're there. LAVs currently do one thing in one way. If we could get them to a point where there's incentive to utilise them in a variety of roles that would be great. i use LLAV with 3 roles that im not gona divulge , if LLAV would die like the free LAV i couldnt execute those roles and it would cost me a lot hell i wouldnt even use LAV LAV's work as intended , its YOUR fault if you cant hear it coming or check the radar or look left/right before crossing the street/open area known for LAV traffic all you want is go from here to there with no worries and kill everything in sight , like i said CoD ... So... LAVs prevented "camping" in your previous post, now they prevent people moving around? Make up ya mind here. Quick on the ad hominem too. I do take note of high traffic areas. My business is that of AV so more often than not I play the part of the team's lollypop lady, making sure it's safe to cross. LAVs all currently fit into two categories, roadkillers seeking roadkills for the sake of roadkill with no heed of objectives with the second variety being the delivery of a dropsuit into the combat zone, at which point the LAV is typically ditched. Though I suppose there is also a third, the roamer. Field combatants using it to position, usually vehicle hunters in this case but sometimes snipers. Personal transport as accessory to an infantry role. Will likely get superseded by speeders. When do we ever see LAVs utilised as infantry fighting vehicles, making fast attacks with the turret, harassing enemy infantry, using their speed to flank a force allies are engaging and lay down fire? What's that? The turrets don't get used at all? Oh, what a shame. It's fine though because it's "working as intended". Couldn't be diversifying viable roles now, could we? God forbid, it might even make for a better game so that's a definite no-no. You don't seem to get this but what I'm actually angling for is a reduction in mowing capacity, not a removal of it, and improvement in most other areas.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 371	Posted - 2013.07.16 18:21:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: Yes I am baiting. I really dont understand the Op's thread and intent. We all know that the LAV isnt working as intended. It is meant for transport and attack (mainly using turret but also hitting people) but CCP went too far making them too durable and easy to handle. They were shortsighted and created this problem and still havent addressed it. They should kill more from turrets and kill less from ramming (probably having to hit a suit multiple times given suits health) and maybe made a bit less durable. The whole thread is one big bait. I just posted this to show another point other than "LAVs can run people over so they're OP" Currently, all the forum threads are heavily biased in favor of infantry, while the drivers in those threads don't make the right points. Gods, yes. I try to argue in favour of vehicles but vehicle users don't make it clucking easy.