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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:09:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin 
Nope. Plasma cannon.
Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:17:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin Nope. Plasma cannon. Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon. Yep, the Plasma Cannon eats shields.. if you can hit the target that is.
Nope. The adv plasma cannon is only VERY slightly more effective against shields than an adv swarm launcher. The proto swarm launcher actualy does a good deal more damage to shields tha a proto plasma cannon.
Lesson: CCP and math don't mix. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:24:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description.
? What the hell is that supposed to mean? It is supposed to fill the roll of being effective against shields, where as, as you have already mistakenly pointed out, all OTHER AV weapons are more effective against armor.
CCP fail. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:29:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Django Quik wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. Well if you're talking about weapons that are only used against vehicles, that only counts AV nades and Swarms. Forge Gun, Railgun, Remote Explosive, Proxy Mines all do extra damage to armor.
Forge Gun = anti-infantry/vehicle
Remote Explosives = anti-infantry (really not all that effective for AV) |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:34:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Every weapon considered AV has a bonus towards armor. Every last one. I didn't even know that until just now. Peace, Godin Nope. Plasma cannon. Good thing that that thing is a terrible terrible AV weapon. Yep, the Plasma Cannon eats shields.. if you can hit the target that is. Nope. The adv plasma cannon is only VERY slightly more effective against shields than an adv swarm launcher. The proto swarm launcher actualy does a good deal more damage to shields than a proto plasma cannon. Lesson: CCP and math don't mix. I don't know what Plasma Cannon you using .. but my advanced one destroys shields, but is useless against armor..In fact my AV Commando uses this combo ; Plasma Cannon to lower the shields, then Swarm Launcher to destroy the armor.
What I am telling you is that I have done the math for damage output on both weapons and what I have already stated is a fact. It is not contestable. There is no argument to be had here.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:38:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Django Quik wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:It's a multi-purpose weapon, not just AV. Read the description. Well if you're talking about weapons that are only used against vehicles, that only counts AV nades and Swarms. Forge Gun, Railgun, Remote Explosive, Proxy Mines all do extra damage to armor. Forge Gun = anti-infantry/vehicle Remote Explosives = anti-infantry (really not all that effective for AV) Forge Guns are specified for AV. Yes, they can be used for AI purposes (very easily in fact), but it's not a dual-purpose weapon. I guess you've never tried putting down RE's right in front of a vehicle as it passes by without seeing you and blowing it to ****
Was that you who was trying to do that to my tank yesterday right befor I vaporized you with my rail turret? *shakes his head* I did actualy get a pretty good laugh out of that. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 10:48:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:I re-quote this from the post above ;
I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0.
Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong.
Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 11:05:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:I re-quote this from the post above ;
I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0.
Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong. Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here. Are you counting shield resistances in your math to ? Just asking.... Tank with resistances my Swarm Launchers where doing nothing, Plasma Cannon started to drop its shields very quickly .. explain that with you math.
1. Yes resistances we're taken into account. What actually was not taken into account was RoF, to which the swarm launcher also out performs the plasma cannon on account of having to reload after every shot. I'd have to run the numbers but I am pretty sure I am right on this one as well.
2. You are using std swarms and std plasma cannon for your comparison, The std plasma cannon does infact out perfor the std swarm launcher (if you discount the reload factor). As well, the adv plasma cannon also out performs the adv swarm launcher but only VERY slightly (once again only if we discount the reload factor). The proto swarm launcher, on the other hand, strait up out performs the the proto plasma cannon by quite a good margin. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 11:40:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:I re-quote this from the post above ;
I got 6 kill assist in a row yesterday by shooting at a CRU.. It dropped the shields of everyone near the CRU to 0.
Trust me.. that thing EATS through shields.. you math are wrong. Yes, I went to college, majored in math, and my math is definitely the problem here. Are you counting shield resistances in your math to ? Just asking.... Tank with resistances my Swarm Launchers where doing nothing, Plasma Cannon started to drop its shields very quickly .. explain that with you math. 1. Yes resistances were taken into account. What actually was not taken into account was RoF, to which the swarm launcher also out performs the plasma cannon on account of having to reload after every shot. I'd have to run the numbers but I am pretty sure I am right on this one as well. 2. You are using std swarms and std plasma cannon for your comparison, The std plasma cannon does infact out perform the std swarm launcher (if you discount the reload factor). As well, the adv plasma cannon also out performs the adv swarm launcher but only VERY slightly (once again only if we discount the reload factor). The proto swarm launcher, on the other hand, strait up out performs the the proto plasma cannon by quite a good margin. I have a very nice Light Weapons reload bonus with my Commando suit.. add that to your math.  Ohh... And i using Adv Plasma Cannon and Advanced Swarm launcher.
Even with the bonus reload time, you still have to also factor in target acquisition as well. With the swarms, imideatly after you fire a shot you are capable of staying on target with the weapon's reticle, making it very easy to aquire your next shot. Where as, with the plasma cannon you must dip the weapon after every shot, in order to reload the weapon, forcing you to require your target, which could take anywhere from one to two or more second.
Dude I'm telling you man the plasma cannon is just an all around terrible AV weapon. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.13 11:55:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:I was talking about the damage multipliers ... THAT is what i don't agree with you.
What do you mean you don't agree with me. Once you have run the numbers then you can argue with me. But I am telling you man, you're not going to find anything I haven't already told you.
I actually created a thead about it, after I ran the numbers, shortly after the plasma cannon was released. It is lost to the depths of the forums now however. |
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