DUST Search - BPOs are such a bad idea..

Jason Pearson wrote:

I was thinking, BPOs really are a bad idea, in their current state anyways.

When I first heard about DUST, I didn't care about the EVE connection but the fact actions had consequence, you killed someone, they lost stuff, it made the game a lot more entertaining for me, but I've been here for a while now, must be about a year and I just don't get that feeling of ISK even being a factor in fights anymore, especially when people tell me they've got 100s of millions because all they do is run Militia BPOs to grind ISK.

CCP, how could you think unlimited free stuff for a one time fee would be a good idea? Would it not of been saner to allow the purchase of monthly based items, sort of like Blacklight? You purchase your item for aurum and it'll stay for a period of time, rather than a one time fee for something you'll keep forever..

Now I know the BPOs help people out, and I'm guessing I'll get a little amount of responses or some hate, but overall I feel it's detrimental to the game (I think I used that word right.. R.I.P. English).

Also, Forums are now my personal Blog.

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Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1840	Posted - 2013.07.12 10:28:00 - [1] - Quote I was thinking, BPOs really are a bad idea, in their current state anyways. When I first heard about DUST, I didn't care about the EVE connection but the fact actions had consequence, you killed someone, they lost stuff, it made the game a lot more entertaining for me, but I've been here for a while now, must be about a year and I just don't get that feeling of ISK even being a factor in fights anymore, especially when people tell me they've got 100s of millions because all they do is run Militia BPOs to grind ISK. CCP, how could you think unlimited free stuff for a one time fee would be a good idea? Would it not of been saner to allow the purchase of monthly based items, sort of like Blacklight? You purchase your item for aurum and it'll stay for a period of time, rather than a one time fee for something you'll keep forever.. Now I know the BPOs help people out, and I'm guessing I'll get a little amount of responses or some hate, but overall I feel it's detrimental to the game (I think I used that word right.. R.I.P. English). Also, Forums are now my personal Blog.
Bendtner92 Internal Error. League of Infamy 713	Posted - 2013.07.12 10:35:00 - [2] - Quote Militia BPOs don't make any difference anyway, since militia items are basically free anyway. If they were to make the same fit with non-BPOs items it would be what? 5k ISK? Basically nothing. There should, however, never be introduced Advanced or higher BPOs.
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.07.12 10:53:00 - [3] - Quote BPO for the win! I run BPO because being a LOL Proto Bear is boring.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 585	Posted - 2013.07.12 10:57:00 - [4] - Quote How do you suggest we cope with what happens if you do run out of ISK? Starter-Fits? Perhaps changes to the way you earn ISK is a better way than to remove them, looking at EVE you can get BPOs and build unlimited for yourself (assuming you get the minerals etc ofc). So perhaps a similar way would be needed in dust then, or make sure there's a viable market to use - I know I can go through a lot of suit ISK when not running BPO - and usually it costs me 3-4x more than I make (because I suck). /c

Jack Boost Zarena Family 253	Posted - 2013.07.12 11:12:00 - [5] - Quote Balac's Gar-21 AR BPO... who first will get it?
Callidus Vanus Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 110	Posted - 2013.07.12 11:17:00 - [6] - Quote Jack Boost wrote: Balac's Gar-21 AR BPO... who first will get it? You dont have one?
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1842	Posted - 2013.07.12 11:37:00 - [7] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: How do you suggest we cope with what happens if you do run out of ISK? Starter-Fits? Perhaps changes to the way you earn ISK is a better way than to remove them, looking at EVE you can get BPOs and build unlimited for yourself (assuming you get the minerals etc ofc). So perhaps a similar way would be needed in dust then, or make sure there's a viable market to use - I know I can go through a lot of suit ISK when not running BPO - and usually it costs me 3-4x more than I make (because I suck). /c I've always stuck by the idea of having a single free suit in the game, a race specific Starter Medium Suit and Rifle (So, Caldari AR, Amarr SCAR etc) with no modules so that you can earn money but not use them constantly, eventually you'd want a nanohive or a Needle or something better than such a basic suit. I also feel there should be other ways to earn money rather than just battling, DUST 514 is considered to be a MMOFPS, not just a persistent FPS, we should have MMO aspects to the game other than chatting. Possible Mining System: Instead of BPOs being instant weapons, you get an additional suit alongside your starter suit with just a Basic Mining Gun and prospecting kit, both of which have ISK variants and a skill associated with them, Mining includes faster and stronger guns so that you can mine deposits and the prospecting kit can be improved to locate minerals and ores faster as well as find larger deposits. You can then enter districts with a Squad and begin to mine. I think this would work well with PvE elements added, with drones possibly coming along and being an issue. Mining then provides you with a way to create your BPO items.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 473	Posted - 2013.07.12 11:41:00 - [8] - Quote @jason if they gave us some pve for grinding isk it would give us the mmo aspect of " dungeon running" for want of a better phrase. Also wish they woukd return corp battles. On the note of bpo suits untill I get my pilot suit ill be donning my dragonfly or primordial caldari suit with bpo mods when in my tank.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Covert Intervention 509	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:01:00 - [9] - Quote DUST and EVE share the same genetic code and it is spelled CCP. BPCs and BPOs are interwoven throughout EVE. My EVE friends are waiting eagerly to start supplying materiel for our little ground wars just like they are doing for their bigger space wars. They are not going away. As far as the cost, do some math: the basic assault suit is only a few K of ISK. Which means just a weekend of AFK can generate enough ISK to negate having to pay for any BPO. Each mission will generate enough cash to buy 20 to 60 of that same suit. Which is nothing. After a month it is all pocket change anyway. What you want will just make the game less fun for New Berries. And every game has to give something to the players. As rewards, enticements and just to make the beginning of this FPS in Space less daunting. Lighten up, it is CCPs game. The same CCP that runs EVE, you might know it better as Ganker's Paradise.
Daedric Lothar Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 1196	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:08:00 - [10] - Quote Oh god, mining in Dust.. People already complain about others AFKing in the MCC.. oh HEY, wait a minute. With this new mining idea, they can now AFK in their own instance, make the same pay as peo[ple who fight and not affect battles. We can call it.. Semi-Passive SP/ISK generation. GENIUS?!!?! On the oriignal note. BPOs are a terrible idea.... for anything other then Milita and some standard. I would not mind seeing BPO Imaging however. Say you have the special dropsuits from the Caldari Prime event. Make them BPO images, so you keep restocking the suits at a cost, but they won't be on the market for anyone else to buy without the BPO image.

C Saunders Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 415	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:30:00 - [11] - Quote Why not just have another slot on the suit for aurum BPO colour schemes and get rid of BPO items and P2W items.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 530	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:31:00 - [12] - Quote yep the current implementation of blue prints is horrible. imo they should just let us buy the minerals from the eve players, and craft the equipment exactly the same as they do in eve. also have some minerals and components drop as salvage. leave the militia bpo's as they are now, but make it a single piece of gear that just never breaks.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1845	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:35:00 - [13] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: Oh god, mining in Dust.. People already complain about others AFKing in the MCC.. oh HEY, wait a minute. With this new mining idea, they can now AFK in their own instance, make the same pay as peo[ple who fight and not affect battles. We can call it.. Semi-Passive SP/ISK generation. GENIUS?!!?! re-read the mining idea, it's active mining, you have to actually locate deposits and mine it. Ay Eff Kay equals No More Pay.
Musta Tornius Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 479	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:36:00 - [14] - Quote In the end does it really matter that much? As long as BPOS never get to advanced level what difference does it make if you make the guy pay 10k isk for his suit or 0k isk cause it's bpo. If ccp was to implement adv and proto tier bpos then I could understand getting pissed off, but militia and standard is really not worth worrying about.
Void Echo Internal Error. League of Infamy 531	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:39:00 - [15] - Quote BPOs in eve online work by allowing pilots to create equipment without having to continuously buy the blue print for it, instead all they do is pay for the minerals and they can make it nonstop (granted they have a high supply of minerals). they can even copy the original blueprints and sell them in the eve market at their own prices. right now BPOs are in the right spot because we do not have access to minerals or eve pilots making the supplies for us, so until the player market and full player control scheme is implemented into Dust 514, BPOs are at their best point.
Django Quik R.I.f.t 911	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:40:00 - [16] - Quote They really need to create non-BPO battles. Allow people to play with their free stuff in matches with much less profit but if people want to pay for all their gear each game, they shouldn't have to go up against others who have no thought to their isk loss at all. Implement the sec battle system already: Hi-sec = MLT BPOs and up; Lo-sec = MLT and up, no BPOs; Null sec = STD and up. With increasing rewards respectively.
Daedric Lothar Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 1197	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:52:00 - [17] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Daedric Lothar wrote: Oh god, mining in Dust.. People already complain about others AFKing in the MCC.. oh HEY, wait a minute. With this new mining idea, they can now AFK in their own instance, make the same pay as peo[ple who fight and not affect battles. We can call it.. Semi-Passive SP/ISK generation. GENIUS?!!?! re-read the mining idea, it's active mining, you have to actually locate deposits and mine it. Ay Eff Kay equals No More Pay. Oh, well forget your idea then, I'll just AFK in the MCC.. Its much better pay for the effort then active mining.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 779	Posted - 2013.07.12 13:26:00 - [18] - Quote BPOs in their current form aren't really an issue. Someone saves a few thousand ISK per suit? With people running 200K full protogear and not caring that they are constantly losing money how are the BPOs causing problems? Eventually, we should have to provide the base material to produce our gear. Nanite paste or something that must be loaded into the MCC and supply depots. Then BPO and BPC will both have a production cost on top of the blueprint licensing.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 98	Posted - 2013.07.12 14:07:00 - [19] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I was thinking, BPOs really are a bad idea, in their current state anyways. When I first heard about DUST, I didn't care about the EVE connection but the fact actions had consequence, you killed someone, they lost stuff, it made the game a lot more entertaining for me, but I've been here for a while now, must be about a year and I just don't get that feeling of ISK even being a factor in fights anymore, especially when people tell me they've got 100s of millions because all they do is run Militia BPOs to grind ISK. CCP, how could you think unlimited free stuff for a one time fee would be a good idea? Would it not of been saner to allow the purchase of monthly based items, sort of like Blacklight? You purchase your item for aurum and it'll stay for a period of time, rather than a one time fee for something you'll keep forever.. Now I know the BPOs help people out, and I'm guessing I'll get a little amount of responses or some hate, but overall I feel it's detrimental to the game (I think I used that word right.. R.I.P. English). Also, Forums are now my personal Blog. Im a mercenary......ill do whatever it takes to save money......so i can spend it on pve... because thats where the real fun is...
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4977	Posted - 2013.07.12 14:08:00 - [20] - Quote Posting in a BPO OP thread ::noms popcorn::

General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1710	Posted - 2013.07.12 14:10:00 - [21] - Quote bpos are so op. i make hundreds of millions of isk a day not needing to buy gear
Sylwester Dziewiecki BetaMax. CRONOS. 105	Posted - 2013.07.12 18:55:00 - [22] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I was thinking, BPOs really are a bad idea, in their current state anyways. When I first heard about DUST, I didn't care about the EVE connection but the fact actions had consequence, you killed someone, they lost stuff, it made the game a lot more entertaining for me, but I've been here for a while now, must be about a year and I just don't get that feeling of ISK even being a factor in fights anymore, especially when people tell me they've got 100s of millions because all they do is run Militia BPOs to grind ISK. CCP, how could you think unlimited free stuff for a one time fee would be a good idea? Would it not of been saner to allow the purchase of monthly based items, sort of like Blacklight? You purchase your item for aurum and it'll stay for a period of time, rather than a one time fee for something you'll keep forever.. Now I know the BPOs help people out, and I'm guessing I'll get a little amount of responses or some hate, but overall I feel it's detrimental to the game (I think I used that word right.. R.I.P. English). Also, Forums are now my personal Blog. I think that when CCP seed MCC(and that size of stuff) to market, without possibility to buy AUR MCC, ISK will start sinking .


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