DUST Search - Vehicle - Shield Boost systems

Kharga Lum wrote:

Vermaak Doe wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

Vermaak Doe wrote:

Ah, Just like Eve, shields get worse on bigger ships and armor gets better.

Mainly becaue they require more capacitor usage and some cap neutralizers will make quick work of any active tanked shield ship.

Also, shield ships are more or less designed for ranged combat while warp disruptors are close range. So you either need to hit your target hard and fast otherwise it will just run away. Artillery is better for raw damage when compared to railguns.

However, passive tanked shield ships are arguably better for PVE than armor tanked ships. Perhaps when PVE comes out for Dust, this notable difference is seen as well.

Also, remember the Drake!

I fly caldari ships like tengus and such so I know how they work, but pve has never been a proper balance point due to locked amarr and gallente damage types and kinetic bonused/hybrid caldari ships. Which means that the vast majority of ships aren't made with pve in mind. Don't forget that the drake can't field as good of a tank as a prophecy, nor keep up with it's projection without gimping the fit.

As much as I'd like vehicles in Dust to function similar to the way they do in Eve, they don't. I know the statement from CCP is something like "Not everything has been introduced so we can't balance yet." I think there are some aspects of vehicles in general that could be addressed.

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Kharga Lum Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 82	Posted - 2013.07.09 15:37:00 - [1] - Quote Shield Boost Systems grants 3% passive shield regen/level. It's a x2 sp skill. At level 5, on a Gunnlogi, that's +4 HP's... And it's not even 1hp/sec/level. 4hp?!?! A single Complex Armor Rep for infantry does more then this!
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:19:00 - [2] - Quote CCP has it in for CalHAVs. Meh.
BatKing Deltor Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY 86	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:48:00 - [3] - Quote Percentage, 4 hp? Shield on caldari tanks regen a lot more than 4 hp a second...
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 410	Posted - 2013.07.09 16:50:00 - [4] - Quote With max skills on my gunlogi or falchion the passive regen is 26.1 tbh its abloody joke.
Kharga Lum Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 82	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:01:00 - [5] - Quote BatKing Deltor wrote: Percentage, 4 hp? Shield on caldari tanks regen a lot more than 4 hp a second... Yes, they do. However the bonus provided from the skill at lvl 5 is only an extra 4hp/sec. Base Gunloggi is 22hp/sec. Mine is 26. This is only a difference of 4hp/sec.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 210	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:42:00 - [6] - Quote Make passive shield tanking in DUST work the way it does in EVE and I'll consider spending SP on the skill past level 3 and buying the damn skill that does a worthless 1% regen per level
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 987	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:47:00 - [7] - Quote Ah, Just like Eve, shields get worse on bigger ships and armor gets better.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 211	Posted - 2013.07.09 17:57:00 - [8] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Ah, Just like Eve, shields get worse on bigger ships and armor gets better. Mainly becaue they require more capacitor usage and some cap neutralizers will make quick work of any active tanked shield ship. Also, shield ships are more or less designed for ranged combat while warp disruptors are close range. So you either need to hit your target hard and fast otherwise it will just run away. Artillery is better for raw damage when compared to railguns. However, passive tanked shield ships are arguably better for PVE than armor tanked ships. Perhaps when PVE comes out for Dust, this notable difference is seen as well. Also, remember the Drake!
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 265	Posted - 2013.07.09 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote that bonus should be provided by another skill, vehicle shield recharging, i think shield boost system provides a +3% more on shield boosters not on shield regen rate, like Vehicle Armor Repairing that provides+3% to armor repair rate I would love to have a shield energizer like the one infantry already have.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 987	Posted - 2013.07.09 18:18:00 - [10] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Ah, Just like Eve, shields get worse on bigger ships and armor gets better. Mainly becaue they require more capacitor usage and some cap neutralizers will make quick work of any active tanked shield ship. Also, shield ships are more or less designed for ranged combat while warp disruptors are close range. So you either need to hit your target hard and fast otherwise it will just run away. Artillery is better for raw damage when compared to railguns. However, passive tanked shield ships are arguably better for PVE than armor tanked ships. Perhaps when PVE comes out for Dust, this notable difference is seen as well. Also, remember the Drake! I fly caldari ships like tengus and such so I know how they work, but pve has never been a proper balance point due to locked amarr and gallente damage types and kinetic bonused/hybrid caldari ships. Which means that the vast majority of ships aren't made with pve in mind. Don't forget that the drake can't field as good of a tank as a prophecy, nor keep up with it's projection without gimping the fit.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 327	Posted - 2013.07.09 18:43:00 - [11] - Quote a shield tank should have between 70-140 hp/s regen. that should be their advantage,
Kharga Lum Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 82	Posted - 2013.07.09 18:48:00 - [12] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Harpyja wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Ah, Just like Eve, shields get worse on bigger ships and armor gets better. Mainly becaue they require more capacitor usage and some cap neutralizers will make quick work of any active tanked shield ship. Also, shield ships are more or less designed for ranged combat while warp disruptors are close range. So you either need to hit your target hard and fast otherwise it will just run away. Artillery is better for raw damage when compared to railguns. However, passive tanked shield ships are arguably better for PVE than armor tanked ships. Perhaps when PVE comes out for Dust, this notable difference is seen as well. Also, remember the Drake! I fly caldari ships like tengus and such so I know how they work, but pve has never been a proper balance point due to locked amarr and gallente damage types and kinetic bonused/hybrid caldari ships. Which means that the vast majority of ships aren't made with pve in mind. Don't forget that the drake can't field as good of a tank as a prophecy, nor keep up with it's projection without gimping the fit. As much as I'd like vehicles in Dust to function similar to the way they do in Eve, they don't. I know the statement from CCP is something like "Not everything has been introduced so we can't balance yet." I think there are some aspects of vehicles in general that could be addressed.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 988	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:01:00 - [13] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Harpyja wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Ah, Just like Eve, shields get worse on bigger ships and armor gets better. Mainly becaue they require more capacitor usage and some cap neutralizers will make quick work of any active tanked shield ship. Also, shield ships are more or less designed for ranged combat while warp disruptors are close range. So you either need to hit your target hard and fast otherwise it will just run away. Artillery is better for raw damage when compared to railguns. However, passive tanked shield ships are arguably better for PVE than armor tanked ships. Perhaps when PVE comes out for Dust, this notable difference is seen as well. Also, remember the Drake! I fly caldari ships like tengus and such so I know how they work, but pve has never been a proper balance point due to locked amarr and gallente damage types and kinetic bonused/hybrid caldari ships. Which means that the vast majority of ships aren't made with pve in mind. Don't forget that the drake can't field as good of a tank as a prophecy, nor keep up with it's projection without gimping the fit. As much as I'd like vehicles in Dust to function similar to the way they do in Eve, they don't. I know the statement from CCP is something like "Not everything has been introduced so we can't balance yet." I think there are some aspects of vehicles in general that could be addressed. But for now, shield infantry and armor vehicles are in the best position compared to the other tank, so I feel that infantry armor and vehicle shields should be done at the same time, to not make one much more viable for every suit/vehicle. Honestly, I doubt true balance between armor and shields will be reached.
Kharga Lum Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 82	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:23:00 - [14] - Quote I agree. True balance may be impossible but we can at least close that gap.

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