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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.08 23:56:00 -
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So I know theres all the forum drama about this but I really do like debating these things and would like to know where the player base sits on this.
As far as I know there are two very different camps based on this issue.
1- Those who want it, and suggest that it will help with the longevity of the game by allowing players to switch up their style of play, as well as take back poor decisions they have made with skills.
2- The players who abhor this suggestion wanting the game to be more hardcore, and who fear/ suggest that this will lead to FoTM builds being constantly on the rise (which is a valid concern)
As far as I go I would say that CCP would stand to make a hell of a lot of money off of Aurum based skill respecs, even at 5-10 dollars a pop there are a lot of players out there who would/ could really use such an option especially as more content is released.
Also personally the idea of spending money on a F2P game is enough of a deterrent for me not to **** up more that once with skill respecs if even to use more than one ever.
So how does everyone else fell about this.
I personally would suggest to CCP to do this even if it were sporadically only purchasable once a month post update. |
LongLostLust
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
39
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:10:00 -
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I support respec if they are limited to every 90 days or so. This would help limit FOTM to some point. I agree also helpin with longevity. I know I'm bored with this game and a respec would get me excited again.
And prepare to be flamed hard. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
408
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:18:00 -
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LongLostLust wrote:I support respec if they are limited to every 90 days or so. This would help limit FOTM to some point. I agree also helpin with longevity. I know I'm bored with this game and a respec would get me excited again.
And prepare to be flamed hard.
Yeah I know your views on the matter (HARKON here)
I would be happy with that I mean I could play on whatever toon I wanted to for X days, and then decide what I wanted to do for the rest of my game time, and spec into that.
If I had an 8m SP toon, then I would play one style, then switch out to another for X days, by the time I'm eligible for another respect I would have enough SP to really have two specialisations anyway.
Also I wouldn't mind of these respecs cost you X% of your total SP, again deterring people from flipping from FoTM to FoTM and meaning that it is more valuable for higher SP player to work for the SP they get and specialise then.
All the while newer players can find their niches, and then respect If they feel they made a mistake. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:28:00 -
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allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3145
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:42:00 -
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**** no.
And you will be flamed hard. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
410
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:00:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here...
Dude I played Dark Souls that was a hundred times more brutal and hardcore than Dust is....
And don't tell me I don't belong here, I've been preaching to the choir about all CCP amazing things they love to do and how they make a great game.....sadly the game isn't great and not yet, and possibly never will because I won't hold its player base like other session based shooters.
However in EVE I can cancel my skills half way through training so I never have to get them or commit overly long periods of time to skilling into them. |
XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
103
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Posted - 2013.07.09 01:03:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here...
Mak and alt. Leave it gaining SP, test with it what you like. Commit to what you like, don't try something with too big of an investment on your main if it's unknown to you. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
411
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:34:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... What he said Mak and alt. Leave it gaining SP, test with it what you like. Commit to what you like, don't try something with too big of an investment on your main if it's unknown to you. It's a far better option than asking for respec. Just be gratefull you don't have to upgrade clones or anything because In eve, if you die and your clone is not up to date you lose skills into the ether. I lost 40 days worth of training because I forgot ton upgrade my clone and you don't get that back my friend, it's 40 more days of training to get it back. I have three alts.
Yeah IM not over worried about having to stick with one specific role in game, just a suggestion , what really concerns me is that all this content, which should have been core content on release is about to come out, CCP has said no respecs, so now Im in a situation where an 8m sp toon, with nearly 60 dollars investment into it over 4 months will be useless and unplayable because I wastn able to play the game the way I had initially wanted.
I mean as much as Ill get over it ...its just a disappointment that this is happening when all of this stuff should have been available on release date.
I mean forgive me if im wrong but CCP didn't release eve without atleast 1 frigate for each race did they? |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
313
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:01:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... Dude I played Dark Souls that was a hundred times more brutal and hardcore than Dust is.... And don't tell me I don't belong here, I've been preaching to the choir about all CCP amazing things they love to do and how they make a great game.....sadly the game isn't great and not yet, and possibly never will because I won't hold its player base like other session based shooters. However in EVE I can cancel my skills half way through training so I never have to get them or commit overly long periods of time to skilling into them.
As a Dark SOuls player myself i must say:
In Dark souls you dont need MONTHS to reach a decent level character as in DUST. In a mere week you can have a powerful lv125 character (the perfect level for muti). SO creating multiple , POWERFUL characters is not an issue.
Not saying DUST is harder, its not. BUT it does take a VERY FREKN LONG TIME to accumulate SP.
BTW Demon Souls was harder and it DID have a way to do respec...... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
412
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... Dude I played Dark Souls that was a hundred times more brutal and hardcore than Dust is.... And don't tell me I don't belong here, I've been preaching to the choir about all CCP amazing things they love to do and how they make a great game.....sadly the game isn't great and not yet, and possibly never will because I won't hold its player base like other session based shooters. However in EVE I can cancel my skills half way through training so I never have to get them or commit overly long periods of time to skilling into them. As a Dark SOuls player myself i must say: In Dark souls you dont need MONTHS to reach a decent level character as in DUST. In a mere week you can have a powerful lv125 character (the perfect level for muti). SO creating multiple , POWERFUL characters is not an issue. Not saying DUST is harder, its not. BUT it does take a VERY FREKN LONG TIME to accumulate SP. BTW Demon Souls was harder and it DID have a way to do respec......
Creating 125's is easy if you know how...if you don't its a brutal uphill struggle, though for forum pvp we found the variations from 65-80 and from 120-125 were the best. All of the faction wars happened at lvl 80 though.
Demons was much harder yes.
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Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:24:00 -
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Xcom Ironman Impossible - most intense challenge i had in years.. made SL1 in darksouls seem like a cakewalk.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
412
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:26:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:Xcom Ironman Impossible - most intense challenge i had in years.. made SL1 in darksouls seem like a cakewalk.
Lol that was a tough game too.... dust and eve really don't compete in terms of how much the game trolls you.
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Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:Xcom Ironman Impossible - most intense challenge i had in years.. made SL1 in darksouls seem like a cakewalk.
Lol that was a tough game too.... dust and eve really don't compete in terms of how much the game trolls you.
I get the whole "game needs to b hard thingy" no respecs has nothing to do with it, Dust is eve, its about integrity and holding onto as much eve lore as possible,.
Dust wont die, but it has one hell of a whole to climb out of before its sister game even considers it family.
no repsecs,
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Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
264
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:40:00 -
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Cheer up! CCP listens... Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1009985#post1009985 I know, not quite what you have requested for. But close |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2013.07.09 07:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... Dude I played Dark Souls that was a hundred times more brutal and hardcore than Dust is.... And don't tell me I don't belong here, I've been preaching to the choir about all CCP amazing things they love to do and how they make a great game.....sadly the game isn't great and not yet, and possibly never will because I won't hold its player base like other session based shooters. However in EVE I can cancel my skills half way through training so I never have to get them or commit overly long periods of time to skilling into them.
lol @your dark souls cooment 1st off... 2nd I never said YOU don't belong here... I said if you (the general you... not you you...lol) don't have patients you don't belong here...
and 3rd in eve ...even if you cancel a skill, the sp put into that skill remains and the time, be it an hour a day or a week is something you can never get back and that wasted sp into that skill you canceled also contributes to the larger and more expensive med clone you have to buy so you don't lose the skills you want to keep ( because yes, in eve when you die you can actually lose skills) when you get podded cause your med clone wasn't up to date.... and again.... lol @ the dark souls comment... matter of fact roflmao.... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
415
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:00:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:True Adamance wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... Dude I played Dark Souls that was a hundred times more brutal and hardcore than Dust is.... And don't tell me I don't belong here, I've been preaching to the choir about all CCP amazing things they love to do and how they make a great game.....sadly the game isn't great and not yet, and possibly never will because I won't hold its player base like other session based shooters. However in EVE I can cancel my skills half way through training so I never have to get them or commit overly long periods of time to skilling into them. lol @your dark souls cooment 1st off... 2nd I never said YOU don't belong here... I said if you (the general you... not you you...lol) don't have patients you don't belong here... and 3rd in eve ...even if you cancel a skill, the sp put into that skill remains and the time, be it an hour a day or a week is something you can never get back and that wasted sp into that skill you canceled also contributes to the larger and more expensive med clone you have to buy so you don't lose the skills you want to keep ( because yes, in eve when you die you can actually lose skills) when you get podded cause your med clone wasn't up to date.... and again.... lol @ the dark souls comment... matter of fact roflmao.... Would love to have medical clones in this game...I always forget to update mine in EVE though.
Sorry my misunderstanding. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:15:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... What he said Mak and alt. Leave it gaining SP, test with it what you like. Commit to what you like, don't try something with too big of an investment on your main if it's unknown to you. It's a far better option than asking for respec. Just be gratefull you don't have to upgrade clones or anything because In eve, if you die and your clone is not up to date you lose skills into the ether. I lost 40 days worth of training because I forgot ton upgrade my clone and you don't get that back my friend, it's 40 more days of training to get it back. I have three alts. (Well technically two other toons) Yeah IM not over worried about having to stick with one specific role in game, just a suggestion , what really concerns me is that all this content, which should have been core content on release is about to come out, CCP has said no respecs, so now Im in a situation where an 8m sp toon, with nearly 60 dollars investment into it over 4 months will be useless and unplayable because I wastn able to play the game the way I had initially wanted. I mean as much as Ill get over it ...its just a disappointment that this is happening when all of this stuff should have been available on release date. I mean forgive me if im wrong but CCP didn't release eve without atleast 1 frigate for each race did they?
im pretty sure at the start of eve there were like 3 ships no star bases most of the planets and moons weren't there, there was absolutely no tutorial and people spent days just trying to figure out how to move their ships... so yeah it was pretty bad |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:True Adamance wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:allowing multiple respecs would be out of line with the new eden experience. this is a hard core game set in a hard core universe. eve is harsh, new eden is harsh. when you take a ship out in eve or a suit out in dust you risk losing it forever. when you spend time learning a skill in eve you never get that time back and you shouldn't in dust. unlike pretty much every other game out there, eve/dust commits you to your choices forever. its as close to RL while still being a game as you can get to date and its part of what sets this world apart from all the rest. and quite frankly if you make a mistake with time you can fix it, if you have the patients... and if you don't have the patients then you don't belong here... Dude I played Dark Souls that was a hundred times more brutal and hardcore than Dust is.... And don't tell me I don't belong here, I've been preaching to the choir about all CCP amazing things they love to do and how they make a great game.....sadly the game isn't great and not yet, and possibly never will because I won't hold its player base like other session based shooters. However in EVE I can cancel my skills half way through training so I never have to get them or commit overly long periods of time to skilling into them. lol @your dark souls cooment 1st off... 2nd I never said YOU don't belong here... I said if you (the general you... not you you...lol) don't have patients you don't belong here... and 3rd in eve ...even if you cancel a skill, the sp put into that skill remains and the time, be it an hour a day or a week is something you can never get back and that wasted sp into that skill you canceled also contributes to the larger and more expensive med clone you have to buy so you don't lose the skills you want to keep ( because yes, in eve when you die you can actually lose skills) when you get podded cause your med clone wasn't up to date.... and again.... lol @ the dark souls comment... matter of fact roflmao.... Would love to have medical clones in this game...I always forget to update mine in EVE though. Sorry my misunderstanding.
its all good my friend |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:Xcom Ironman Impossible - most intense challenge i had in years.. made SL1 in darksouls seem like a cakewalk.
Lol that was a tough game too.... dust and eve really don't compete in terms of how much the game trolls you.
in eve spend some time in jita or a nullsec alliance if you want hard trolls... no im sorry single player console games even with a multi player aspect don't compare...just lol at trying to compare this apple to that orange... |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
302
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:36:00 -
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i support this idea. |
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