I've been doing some thinking about sidearms lately, and I realized something about why people complain abut flaylocks.
I've seen similar complaints in every online game I can think of.

It deals burst damage

I don't mean a 3 shot burst; I mean it deals its full damage potential in a very short period of time.

Look at the other prototype sidearms next to the core flaylock, aside from nova knives- they don't deal as much damage as a flaylock within the first 2 seconds (unless it's a scrambler headshot), but deal more damage per clip.
While the other weapons are potentially more dangerous, the flaylock just seems more powerful (and scarier) because it deals its clip worth of damage most quickly.

So, how do you counter burst tactics?
Well, coming from my experience in dealing with them in other games: teamwork. As soon as those first 3 shots are done, the flaylock user is reloading and the buddies of whoever they killed are stomping on them. If they back off to cover when they reload, well, that's just tactics.

Admittedly, the flaylock is one of the more unique burst weapons/classes I've seen in that it also deals AOE damage.
Not saying it's necessarily overpowered, but if CCP does feel the need to nerf it, I think slowing down its reload speed is exactly what would work best.


TL;DR: flaylocks aren't all that powerful- they just scare the **** out of you because they go through their clip so quickly.

the problem is the range. some d-bag can sit on top of a building and drop splash damage on guys 40 feet down. it's foolish, and needs to be fixed.

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It's really just the Godlock that's an issue.

2.0 splash with powerful damage on a sidearm = Iceland has some damn good weed.

To be fair, my head is a much smaller target than the ground near my feet :/

Just get rid of the splash damage.Those small rockets should have only penetrating power to armor.I dont think that they are OP but do we realy need a secondary weapon that has bigger splash damage like a small missile turet?

Finally someone else that understands burst/spike damage. Like the MD, sniper rifle, forge gun, nova knives and shotgun, the Flaylock deals all of its damage at once vs DoT like any full auto or burst fire weapon. Guns in this game deal damage proportionate to their relative clip size and since the flaylock only has 3 shots, (4 on a Minmatar assault) that damage is massive. Also since it's explosive, it has a blast radius too. But even with all these strengths, the flaylock has terrible range and it's clumsy in open, level ground unless you're good at leading shots I rarely die to them because I stay out of CQC range and assume that everyone is carrying a flaylock. The times I do die are because someone is above or gets the drop on me.

Its a good theory, and I bet its true in some games.. but,.

/cough,

But this is Dust, the fine line between weapon OP/ Balance is,

is the core flaylock to easy to use ?

Like I dont care what anyone says, the scrambler pistol is HARD to use, It has burst potential second to SG and it would never be called op.

As for the Core, my scout is one shot dead, my Gal armor tanked is one shot dead, my Min As- is one shot dead.

This video means nothing.

He's killing stationary targets in MLT/STD gear in chromosome. Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

We're talking kill proto suits in PC within 1-2 seconds at 0-20m with rockets that require no aim whatsoever.

You couldn't do that with an SMG, not consistently.

Can we all agree that regular Flaylocks are kinda on track while the Core gives us nightmares? Oh and dont for get the insta pop nades.

( am I seeing a pattern? Things with "Core" in the name get under my skin???)

Simple solutions are usually better.
Either the flaylock pistol is balanced and we are all suffering from some sort of mass delusion, perhaps being manipulated by some unseen force...
OR the gun is both too powerful and costs it's users too little PG.
Crowds can be wrong, but they are often correct. I'd run the math down on you right now, but CCP still hasn't given me a rate of fire to work with. I can say with great certainty that it's burst damage is eye popping/jaw dropping though.

This is BS, the only flaylock iv used is the 15 AUR one to try them out, and yes I had to hit people with it, I even OHK a few scouts with headshots,

But I had to work for it, its not day dream easy,..

But I never used a corelock so i cant by my rules say its OP. I will say its pretty dam strong in CQC so i hope its not a holiday weapon for ratio padding..

I'm not saying that we should balance the gun on the number of the whine posts on the forum... I am saying that the whine posts have substance and reason and that a good number of the game's best players either agree with the whine post or employ the core flaylock.
SI and Outer Heaven both use them in abundance (Probably for no reason at all, I bet they just like the name). And I'm not trying to say that they are better than you and that their fitting choices are always correct, but I AM DETECTING A PATTERN.

Ok. i guess start the ask how and what kills us. What are we using (suit, mods, gun) vs this Flaylock user.

Well, I made my post clear, A all ADV scout With 180 shields to 80 armor. Shotty, CRW charge scram. Sometimes a basic MD when I dont want to fight. Just make the target leave me alone.

Did he actually just suggest that it's easier to kill a scout with an SMG than a Flaylock? .....all you need is the advanced one, lead your shot a little, and never aim above their feet. If they jump, just watch their trajectory. as they come towards the ground, shoot right around where they'll land. Collect 50 or 60 WP.

You basically can't ADS the smg against that scout the whole time, and now that we have hoverboards that just makes it all the more difficult. The flaylock? Why would you bother? Nevermind the Corelock.

I just. I can't. Why did.

It's just that.

DPS greatly favors the Flaylock, it's only restricted by the small clip so it's damage per clip may be lower.

I don't feel it is just the damage it's the disproportionate fall off from splash damage. Basically it is such a minute difference that people do not aim for a direct hit they only aim for the feet thereby defeating skill. It has a high rate of fire too so you just blow your load right at a guys feet causing insane damage.