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Sponglyboy Squaredoo
Not Guilty EoN.
707
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Posted - 2013.07.04 20:21:00 -
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I pray to Mother Amar to smite these assault suits that have gained so much strafe speed |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
303
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Posted - 2013.07.04 23:42:00 -
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Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:I pray to Mother Amar to smite these assault suits that have gained so much strafe speed
It will rain where God wills it....
The Lord's vengeance is bitter to those uninitiated, let them all burn while we in the holiest armour smite them as they fall. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
46
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Posted - 2013.07.05 18:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:I pray to Mother Amar to smite these assault suits that have gained so much strafe speed It will rain where God wills it.... The Lord's vengeance is bitter to those uninitiated, let them all burn while we in the holiest armour smite them as they fall. Ha i have cleanse countles ammarians off their holy armours |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4
Expert Intervention Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2013.07.05 18:28:00 -
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Jovians messing with our time dilations again. |
Lord Falek Grange
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.07.08 03:03:00 -
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May God smite these dancers with weighted boots! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
365
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Posted - 2013.07.08 04:09:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:I pray to Mother Amar to smite these assault suits that have gained so much strafe speed It will rain where God wills it.... The Lord's vengeance is bitter to those uninitiated, let them all burn while we in the holiest armour smite them as they fall. Ha i have cleanse countles ammarians off their holy armours
And all the while I have sought to include the unenlightened into our holiest of empires, you aggressive actions give you away for a warmonger and killer of the faithful. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
49
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:I pray to Mother Amar to smite these assault suits that have gained so much strafe speed It will rain where God wills it.... The Lord's vengeance is bitter to those uninitiated, let them all burn while we in the holiest armour smite them as they fall. Ha i have cleanse countles ammarians off their holy armours And all the while I have sought to include the unenlightened into our holiest of empires, you aggressive actions give you away for a warmonger and killer of the faithful. But my race have never attacked another race to make them slaves,i have my own faith and thats not include bashing others with faith.So every change i get i will take every fanatical ammarians live and your allied caldari live,freedom to all who lives in new eden |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
4
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Posted - 2013.07.08 17:51:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:But my race have never attacked another race to make them slaves ...
To make them slaves? No.
To force them to submit to your will? Oh, absolutely.
Yes, the Caldari bring this up a fair bit. They've never forgotten, and never forgiven, what you did to them. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
58
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:25:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:But my race have never attacked another race to make them slaves ... To make them slaves? No. To force them to submit to your will? Oh, absolutely.Yes, the Caldari bring this up a fair bit. They've never forgotten, and never forgiven, what you did to them. Yes but what you people did,allied slave trading fanatics.And i think if the caldari people have stayed with federation they would have more freedom.What you have now is totalirized system,and i may be wrong but there only little or no personal freedom.My family has passed stories that in ancient times in terra there was many countries,which had same kind of system like caldaris have,and every of those nations crumbled when facing winds of freedom.And last the caldari state will crumble in to pieces. |
Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
107
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:39:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:But my race have never attacked another race to make them slaves ... To make them slaves? No. To force them to submit to your will? Oh, absolutely.Yes, the Caldari bring this up a fair bit. They've never forgotten, and never forgiven, what you did to them. Yes but what you people did,allied slave trading fanatics.And i think if the caldari people have stayed with federation they would have more freedom.What you have now is totalirized system,and i may be wrong but there only little or no personal freedom.My family has passed stories that in ancient times in terra there was many countries,which had same kind of system like caldaris have,and every of those nations crumbled when facing winds of freedom.And last the caldari state will crumble in to pieces.
As a proud member of the Deitis, and one who should be an example for all loyal Caldari, I can say that our people have all the freedom they need, our people are strong, they know suffering, they know now that the decisions of the many can not always be the best ones. Our own former executor Tiberius Heth was a man supported by the people, and his actions have been less that in keeping with our traditions.
However what he did remind us of was that our ideals of meritocracy, the worthy few governing us were indeed the right ideals for us to follow.
I'm not a religious man, but spirits be thanked that we have seen our true selves once again and are set on a steady path.
I am also sure such "ancient tales of terra" would also have precedent of deomocracy having utterly failed in its purpose a well.... but I blather, such tales are not to be taken as truths.
The dedication and strength of our peoples will ensure we do not crumble. We are a small State who has held off the might of a massive and tyrannical empire. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1110
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:40:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:But my race have never attacked another race to make them slaves ... To make them slaves? No. To force them to submit to your will? Oh, absolutely.Yes, the Caldari bring this up a fair bit. They've never forgotten, and never forgiven, what you did to them. Yes but what you people did,allied slave trading fanatics.And i think if the caldari people have stayed with federation they would have more freedom.What you have now is totalirized system,and i may be wrong but there only little or no personal freedom.My family has passed stories that in ancient times in terra there was many countries,which had same kind of system like caldaris have,and every of those nations crumbled when facing winds of freedom.And last the caldari state will crumble in to pieces.
((Fun fact, the US was for a long long time a meritocracy and didnt crumble in the face of "freedom" course now that things are seemingly shifting towards a plutocracy who knows whats going to happen)) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
569
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Posted - 2013.07.14 06:42:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sponglyboy Squaredoo wrote:I pray to Mother Amar to smite these assault suits that have gained so much strafe speed It will rain where God wills it.... The Lord's vengeance is bitter to those uninitiated, let them all burn while we in the holiest armour smite them as they fall. Ha i have cleanse countles ammarians off their holy armours And all the while I have sought to include the unenlightened into our holiest of empires, you aggressive actions give you away for a warmonger and killer of the faithful. But my race have never attacked another race to make them slaves,i have my own faith and thats not include bashing others with faith.So every change i get i will take every fanatical ammarians live and your allied caldari live,freedom to all who lives in new eden You do not understand what we do we do for your sakes. The Gallenteans seems to pride themselves of depredation and debauchery, and the corrupting of your immortal souls. We seek to save the Minmatar from your corruption and will do so.
Freedom is dangerous, it invites heresy, heresy invites damnation. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
58
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Posted - 2013.07.14 11:58:00 -
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Freedom is every man,woman,child`s birthright.Who are you to say that you can treat your fellow man like animals,that belive is road to damnation.And you will see the day when you have to think your belives and make alliance with your former enemys |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
573
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:03:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Freedom is every man,woman,child`s birthright.Who are you to say that you can treat your fellow man like animals,that belive is road to damnation.And you will see the day when you have to think your belives and make alliance with your former enemys It is known as divine right. True to the Empire. |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
68
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Posted - 2013.07.15 00:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:You do not understand what we do we do for your sakes. The Gallenteans seems to pride themselves of depredation and debauchery, and the corrupting of your immortal souls. We seek to save the Minmatar from your corruption and will do so.
Freedom is dangerous, it invites heresy, heresy invites damnation. So true. No other Empire is famous for their p0rn but Gallente. |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
68
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Posted - 2013.07.15 01:07:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Freedom is every man,woman,child`s birthright.Who are you to say that you can treat your fellow man like animals,that belive is road to damnation.And you will see the day when you have to think your belives and make alliance with your former enemys Freedom is bought and paid for in blood. Caldari know this from the great sacrifices that where made to ensure our people would be free from Gallente oppression.
And what has your brand of "freedom" done for your people Gallente? Millions of your people live like animals in poverty. Stop imposing your brand of "freedom" on others and let us be free from you and your federation. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona Top Men.
72
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Posted - 2013.07.15 14:32:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Freedom is every man,woman,child`s birthright.Who are you to say that you can treat your fellow man like animals,that belive is road to damnation.And you will see the day when you have to think your belives and make alliance with your former enemys Freedom is not a birthright, it is bought and paid for in blood. Caldari know this from the great sacrifices that where made to ensure our people would be free from Gallente oppression. And what has your brand of "freedom" done for your people Gallente? Millions of your people live like animals in poverty. Stop imposing your brand of "freedom" on others and let us be free from you and your federation. Freedom has give every people their own voice,not to be controlled by state.every people of federation has change to rise from the poverty and be something.Oh there isnt any poor people in the caldari state,i bet everybody is smiling happy and everybody can tell what they think about caldari state. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
89
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:58:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:Freedom has give every people their own voice,not to be controlled by state.every people of federation has change to rise from the poverty and be something.Oh there isnt any poor people in the caldari state,i bet everybody is smiling happy and everybody can tell what they think about caldari state.
You are correct in this much, Mr. Draco: the Caldari State is a highly structured society. Its caste system is not rigid (it is possible-- at the low level, even easy-- to move through it), but it, and the megacorporations, are omnipresent.
The Caldari did not come of age on a garden world, Mr. Draco: Caldari Prime is, with all respect to both the world itself and the people who literally call it "Home," a snowball dotted with mud, rocks, and trees. The growing seasons are short, and the winters are long and harsh. Under constant pressure from the elements, the Caldari came to see life as a trial, a test of strength, in every possible sense.
They are determined to survive that test.
The "poor" of the Caldari State are the nonentity "caste." Getting fired by your corporation has somewhat more severe consequences for the Caldari than for workers of most cultures: one who loses corporate citizenship loses all legal standing-- legally, that person is dead, and, in fact, is expected to commit suicide as a matter of honor. Nonentities also include indigenous populations who do not become clients of the Caldari.
My own people, the Achura, are a client state of the Caldari. Unless we entirely adopt Caldari ways, we are not welcome to live among them. We have no place inside the Caldari culture, and thus, no caste. However, because we are a client state, we are still legally "people," and are protected by Caldari law. We have our own communities, and live our lives apart from our Caldari patrons.
The Caldari approach to their own who fall off the corporate ladder is a harsh, but it is an understandable one. The community cannot afford to support those who cannot aid in supporting it, in turn, when the wind is howling at the door and food supplies are running low.
As for the Caldari unwillingness to mingle with outsiders to their culture, it is your people who taught them that. |
Denak Kalamari
BurgezzE.T.F
238
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:09:00 -
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Sergamon Draco wrote:medomai grey wrote:Sergamon Draco wrote:Freedom is every man,woman,child`s birthright.Who are you to say that you can treat your fellow man like animals,that belive is road to damnation.And you will see the day when you have to think your belives and make alliance with your former enemys Freedom is not a birthright, it is bought and paid for in blood. Caldari know this from the great sacrifices that where made to ensure our people would be free from Gallente oppression. And what has your brand of "freedom" done for your people Gallente? Millions of your people live like animals in poverty. Stop imposing your brand of "freedom" on others and let us be free from you and your federation. Freedom has give every people their own voice,not to be controlled by state.every people of federation has change to rise from the poverty and be something.Oh there isnt any poor people in the caldari state,i bet everybody is smiling happy and everybody can tell what they think about caldari state.
Yes, Gallente have the freedom for poor people to rise to riches, but also have the rich take advantage of the poor to benefit themselves without interference from the government. You can disagree how the Caldari or Amarr live their lives, but that is their lives, their culture. Invalidating or downplaying them for what they believe in is like refusing to eat a healthy vegetable because you do not like the taste and tell others not to eat that plant because of your experiences.
And you have to admit, Amarr have the lowest crime rates in the cluster and the Caldari have the biggest economy and the busiest trade hub, Jita, in all of New Eden. The same applies to you Medomai, while you might argue about the Gallente's freedom actually being freedom, their nation has the richest people in the cluster, and build the most advanced drone technologies and have the biggest soft drink brand ever, Quafe.
You can argue all you want about the Gallente, Amarr or any other nation, the point is that not everything is black and white good and bad, everything has it's good sides and bad sides. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
89
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:24:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:You can argue all you want about the Gallente, Amarr or any other nation, the point is that not everything is black and white good and bad, everything has it's good sides and bad sides.
This is ... a lovely thing to see, Mr. Kalamari.
Thank you. |
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Denak Kalamari
BurgezzE.T.F
239
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:31:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:You can argue all you want about the Gallente, Amarr or any other nation, the point is that not everything is black and white good and bad, everything has it's good sides and bad sides. This is ... a lovely thing to see, Mr. Kalamari. Thank you. I was just trying to put an end to the bickering argument, what is that to thank for? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
89
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:38:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:I was just trying to put an end to the bickering argument, what is that to thank for?
Being a politically reasonable, thoughtful person. Plasma canon specialists often seem to be more common. |
Denak Kalamari
BurgezzE.T.F
239
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:42:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Being a politically reasonable, thoughtful person. Plasma canon specialists often seem to be more common.
I'm Intaki, diplomacy is our specialty.
But on a more serious note, the entire argument was far away from the original topic, someone had to end it. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
89
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Posted - 2013.07.15 17:18:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:[But on a more serious note, the entire argument was far away from the original topic, someone had to end it.
Hm. The original topic was a sort of oblique Amarrian whine about an assault suit mobility upgrade.
Was it worth saving? |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
72
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:19:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Yes, Gallente have the freedom for poor people to rise to riches, but also have the rich take advantage of the poor to benefit themselves without interference from the government. You can disagree how the Caldari or Amarr live their lives, but that is their lives, their culture. Invalidating or downplaying them for what they believe in is like refusing to eat a healthy vegetable because you do not like the taste and tell others not to eat that plant because of your experiences.
And you have to admit, Amarr have the lowest crime rates in the cluster and the Caldari have the biggest economy and the busiest trade hub, Jita, in all of New Eden. The same applies to you Medomai, while you might argue about the Gallente's freedom actually being freedom, their nation has the richest people in the cluster, and build the most advanced drone technologies and have the biggest soft drink brand ever, Quafe.
You can argue all you want about the Gallente, Amarr or any other nation, the point is that not everything is black and white good and bad, everything has it's good sides and bad sides.
Fair enough. |
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