DUST Search - Where is the I DON'T WANT TO BE PICKed UP BUTTON!

Rinzler XVII wrote:

LXicon wrote:

if you don't want a revive, then respawn.

i agree that getting revived right away sucks, but can't you just select a new spawn and that will cancel your down'ed corpse?

I'll never revive you and i'll emplore all logi's not to revive you either ... think of it this way .. how would new players learn when and how to revive if you take the option away from them ?? Once again vets thinking of new ways to put new players off PS If you select revive i cannot revive you through nanite injectors (i've had ppl die right next to me, ive killed the person who killed them 1 sec later go to revive and theyve clicked respawn already so i have to stand there and watch us lose a clone i could have revived had the player waited 5 secs) If you aren;t a Logi reviver then you have no right to decide when and if you get revived .. why would i bother being a logi if you decide what i should do ?? Let me and other logis focus on reviving and you focus on killing and not getting killed yourself !!!! How about Logi's get the ability to turn the weapons of allies around them off ??

Ppl make mistakes but you have to give them that opportunity .. if your really whinging about revives then dont play pub matches and do PC .. pub matches are there for new players to learn the game and their class and I dont just revive i repair straight away and do so with back up .. alot of games I play if the team is pinned down with 4+ of us then Me repping and reviving ppl who die around me is often what helps us turn a loss into a win but obviously you know better don't you ... You have to trust the medics and let them learn to become better ... do you think we like dying when we go to try and revive someone ??? Ofcourse not so why not try putting your trust in us and one day that medic that revived you by mistake may well be the same medic in the future that keeps you in a game you should have lost because right now for every mis revive that gets me and the person i revived killed (more often i revive the dead person, die myself and then they live lol) there are 10 ppl i could have revived safely that decided to respawn rather than waiting a few secs for me to revive them .. when your dead you cant see the battlefield or whats around .. we can so let us judge if its safe or not .. you;ve already got yourself killed once afterall

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HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2900	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:44:00 - [1] - Quote Now you almost have no choice if it takes you a second to change suits. Some moron wants his 60 points and picks you up In front of the same firing squad that put you down. Yes run with friends I get it. However this has now added another button for me to scroll past to not be picked up. Not sure what the fix is but this really is annoying. Give me another choice like triangle to immediately choose to bleed out so I can't be ressed in the middle of a suit change!
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 163	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:46:00 - [2] - Quote So... How did it taste?
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 212	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:46:00 - [3] - Quote Rename it to "Leave me to die" and I'm in. maybe.
Aisha Ctarl The Generals EoN. 380	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:49:00 - [4] - Quote I think that this is in order - Revive
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 390	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:49:00 - [5] - Quote this used to be the case in chronosome....not really an issue. sure your kdr gets owned but that's one of the risks of playing with blue dots. look at it this way, if people don't have targets to revive nobody will use nanite injectors, as has been the case for most of uprising. if you want to ever be picked up it's got to be this way imo.
FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:49:00 - [6] - Quote LOL seems like they totally ignored nanite injector feedback. I remember Blacknova proposing very good suggestions on this. -XOXO
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:54:00 - [7] - Quote Zekain K wrote: So... How did it taste? Didn't taste very good after he died trying to forge gun my tank.
Major Lee High Battle Response Organizations 22	Posted - 2013.07.02 16:58:00 - [8] - Quote This is a problem. While I can see people not wanting spawn protection, I think the nanites you get jabbed with should count as a super regen for X seconds and at least keep your armor from going down. At least for higher end needles anyway. Being revived saves clones and saves you some money on a suit, but in reality you get killed rezzing people or they just die again anyway. As a Logi I do not have a nanite injector on any suit and even if they fixed it I probably wont use it much.
HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2901	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:00:00 - [9] - Quote calisk galern wrote: this used to be the case in chronosome....not really an issue. sure your kdr gets owned but that's one of the risks of playing with blue dots. look at it this way, if people don't have targets to revive nobody will use nanite injectors, as has been the case for most of uprising. if you want to ever be picked up it's got to be this way imo. At least in chromosome revive was broke and it wasn't a problem. Now I get revived in seconds of being put down with no option to opt out. Leaving me in the hands of blue dots. Yes I everyone says well then play with your corp mates or don't play. Not the kind of reasoning we need to be encouraging the playerbase. Just add another choice triangle" let me die- do not resuscitate!"
HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2901	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:03:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Zekain K wrote: So... How did it taste? Didn't taste very good after he died trying to forge gun my tank. Says the red line hiding tank driver lol. Come out and play and see how it TASTES

FATPrincess - XOXO Shining Flame Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:04:00 - [11] - Quote So there's no "call for help" now? -XOXO
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 170	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:08:00 - [12] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: So there's no "call for help" now? -XOXO If you press the continue button, you will go to the drop suit/deployment option and then you can call for help.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 146	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:14:00 - [13] - Quote Well, maybe he was eager to test out the new revive-mechanics? One revive and you're already compplaining? Give it some time and then maybe you can make a point without the whining-attitude.
James-5955 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 211	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:21:00 - [14] - Quote RKKR wrote: Well, maybe he was eager to test out the new revive-mechanics? One revive and you're already compplaining? Give it some time and then maybe you can make a point without the whining-attitude. This isn't something that happens a few times then never again because people are curious about it. This happens and is a problem in all shooter games where people can be revived. People do it because they want the free points and often times I see blue dots in many games screw over the person they revive, and themselves, putting themselves in a easy position to die and wasting your time. In the end it's "I'm playing for the team" camouflage for padding score at the risk of holding the team back. There's a time and a place to revive and some people don't seem to understand that. Having an option to bleed out makes it so that you can keep these types of players from making that mistake. It's rare that I played with a logi (a real one, not just a logi assault) who revived often and did so at the right times instead of running into a hostile & active area, not shooting anyone around him, just to revive you so that you can both get gunned down a second later. Just wasting clones and time.
Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 67	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:24:00 - [15] - Quote You do know hitting continue bleeds you out, right?
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 146	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:27:00 - [16] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: You do know hitting continue bleeds you out, right? It doesn't.
LXicon Ill Omens EoN. 114	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:28:00 - [17] - Quote if you don't want a revive, then respawn. i agree that getting revived right away sucks, but can't you just select a new spawn and that will cancel your down'ed corpse?
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 1485	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:32:00 - [18] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Now you almost have no choice if it takes you a second to change suits. Some moron wants his 60 points and picks you up In front of the same firing squad that put you down. Yes run with friends I get it. However this has now added another button for me to scroll past to not be picked up. Not sure what the fix is but this really is annoying. Give me another choice like triangle to immediately choose to bleed out so I can't be ressed in the middle of a suit change! Yes...how come we can't immediately bleed out? Sometimes, I'm looking at all 30 of my dropsuits trying to decide which combination I want to use and then I get rezzed. Sometimes, I am restocking because the suit ran out of something. Give us a bleed out option. Not a priority but we need the option
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 146	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:35:00 - [19] - Quote James-5955 wrote: RKKR wrote: Well, maybe he was eager to test out the new revive-mechanics? One revive and you're already compplaining? Give it some time and then maybe you can make a point without the whining-attitude. This isn't something that happens a few times then never again because people are curious about it. This happens and is a problem in all shooter games where people can be revived. People do it because they want the free points and often times I see blue dots in many games screw over the person they revive, and themselves, putting themselves in a easy position to die and wasting your time. In the end it's "I'm playing for the team" camouflage for padding score at the risk of holding the team back. There's a time and a place to revive and some people don't seem to understand that. Having an option to bleed out makes it so that you can keep these types of players from making that mistake. It's rare that I played with a logi (a real one, not just a logi assault) who revived often and did so at the right times instead of running into a hostile & active area, not shooting anyone around him, just to revive you so that you can both get gunned down a second later. Just wasting clones and time. You're right and a bleedout option is a good idea, but compare his attitude against yours. Hell I even agree that you need to push too many buttons (unless you want to stay in the same suit),but man he just sounded like revives are a bad thing.
Daedric Lothar Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 809	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:46:00 - [20] - Quote I posted ths in another thread. Looks like I need to update it Source Daedric Lothar wrote: Jin Robot wrote: The answer is- you be trollin I'm not trolling, I just hate spam. You put the example John (assault rifle) HowDidThatTaste Dave (revive) HowDidThatTaste Steve (assault rifle) HowDidThatTaste But in most games I play it would look like this. John (assault rifle) HowDidThatTaste Dave (revive) HowDidThatTaste John (assault rifle) HowDidThatTaste Dave (revive) HowDidThatTaste John (assault rifle) HowDidThatTaste Dave (revive) HowDidThatTaste John (assault rifle) HowDidThatTaste Dave (revive) HowDidThatTaste John (assault rifle) HowDidThatTaste Dave (revive) HowDidThatTaste

Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals 0	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:47:00 - [21] - Quote LXicon wrote: if you don't want a revive, then respawn. i agree that getting revived right away sucks, but can't you just select a new spawn and that will cancel your down'ed corpse? I'll never revive you and i'll emplore all logi's not to revive you either ... think of it this way .. how would new players learn when and how to revive if you take the option away from them ?? Once again vets thinking of new ways to put new players off PS If you select revive i cannot revive you through nanite injectors (i've had ppl die right next to me, ive killed the person who killed them 1 sec later go to revive and theyve clicked respawn already so i have to stand there and watch us lose a clone i could have revived had the player waited 5 secs) If you aren;t a Logi reviver then you have no right to decide when and if you get revived .. why would i bother being a logi if you decide what i should do ?? Let me and other logis focus on reviving and you focus on killing and not getting killed yourself !!!! How about Logi's get the ability to turn the weapons of allies around them off ?? Ppl make mistakes but you have to give them that opportunity .. if your really whinging about revives then dont play pub matches and do PC .. pub matches are there for new players to learn the game and their class and I dont just revive i repair straight away and do so with back up .. alot of games I play if the team is pinned down with 4+ of us then Me repping and reviving ppl who die around me is often what helps us turn a loss into a win but obviously you know better don't you ... You have to trust the medics and let them learn to become better ... do you think we like dying when we go to try and revive someone ??? Ofcourse not so why not try putting your trust in us and one day that medic that revived you by mistake may well be the same medic in the future that keeps you in a game you should have lost because right now for every mis revive that gets me and the person i revived killed (more often i revive the dead person, die myself and then they live lol) there are 10 ppl i could have revived safely that decided to respawn rather than waiting a few secs for me to revive them .. when your dead you cant see the battlefield or whats around .. we can so let us judge if its safe or not .. you;ve already got yourself killed once afterall
Cy Clone1 Ill Omens EoN. 32	Posted - 2013.07.02 17:49:00 - [22] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: LXicon wrote: if you don't want a revive, then respawn. i agree that getting revived right away sucks, but can't you just select a new spawn and that will cancel your down'ed corpse? I'll never revive you and i'll emplore all logi's not to revive you either ... think of it this way .. how would new players learn when and how to revive if you take the option away from them ?? Once again vets thinking of new ways to put new players off PS If you select revive i cannot revive you through nanite injectors (i've had ppl die right next to me, ive killed the person who killed them 1 sec later go to revive and theyve clicked respawn already so i have to stand there and watch us lose a clone i could have revived had the player waited 5 secs) If you aren;t a Logi reviver then you have no right to decide when and if you get revived .. why would i bother being a logi if you decide what i should do ?? Let me and other logis focus on reviving and you focus on killing and not getting killed yourself !!!! How about Logi's get the ability to turn the weapons of allies around them off ?? Ppl make mistakes but you have to give them that opportunity .. if your really whinging about revives then dont play pub matches and do PC .. pub matches are there for new players to learn the game and their class and I dont just revive i repair straight away and do so with back up .. alot of games I play if the team is pinned down with 4+ of us then Me repping and reviving ppl who die around me is often what helps us turn a loss into a win but obviously you know better don't you ... You have to trust the medics and let them learn to become better ... do you think we like dying when we go to try and revive someone ??? Ofcourse not so why not try putting your trust in us and one day that medic that revived you by mistake may well be the same medic in the future that keeps you in a game you should have lost because right now for every mis revive that gets me and the person i revived killed (more often i revive the dead person, die myself and then they live lol) there are 10 ppl i could have revived safely that decided to respawn rather than waiting a few secs for me to revive them .. when your dead you cant see the battlefield or whats around .. we can so let us judge if its safe or not .. you;ve already got yourself killed once afterall cool story
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 891	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:08:00 - [23] - Quote CCP, it's time to put on the thinking cap and come up with a solution that gives enough control to the recently departed. It's my body and I'll die if I want to, die if I want to... I know, you have a kill screen and so on to fit in these days... but wouldn't it make sense to give people the ability to either opt-in or opt-out depending on what the default action was. Ouch, died... or alternately, died, ouch. Show kill screen Opt out Leave kill screen Pick new suit (optional) Pick spawn point Spawn in Ouch, died... or alternately, died, ouch. Show kill screen No opt out -- waiting for revive If revived, resume play If bled out, leave kill screen, pick new suit (optional), pick spawn point, spawn in Tweak if needed.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 523	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:10:00 - [24] - Quote Nothing is funnier then repeatedly reviving a guy who is out of ammo and in a sniper lane while you hide around the corner.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 514	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:12:00 - [25] - Quote Not a absolute solution but could help alleviate the "rez-WP fishing" [SUGGESTION:] Give the WP bonus of base +60 only after the patient has lived ten seconds or more. Ofc the real fix would be to get rid of the damn worthless kill mail screen and keep your PoV still in your eyes until you [hit the] bleedout. but that's been suggested many times before.
Dr Stabwounds Molon Labe. League of Infamy 43	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:14:00 - [26] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Not a absolute solution but could help alleviate the "rez-WP fishing" [SUGGESTION:] Give the WP bonus of base +60 only after the patient has lived ten seconds or more. Ofc the real fix would be to get rid of the damn worthless kill mail screen and keep your PoV still in your eyes until you [hit the] bleedout. but that's been suggested many times before. They already do your suggestion, reviving someone who just got revived will not give you points. I'm not sure of the mechanics of exactly how it works, but it is there. Temporary solution is to quickly pick a spawn and then cancel it.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 891	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:16:00 - [27] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Not a absolute solution but could help alleviate the "rez-WP fishing" [SUGGESTION:] Give the WP bonus of base +60 only after the patient has lived ten seconds or more. Ofc the real fix would be to get rid of the damn worthless kill mail screen and keep your PoV still in your eyes until you [hit the] bleedout. but that's been suggested many times before. Y'know, if we don't mind options galore the auto-revive request could be an option -- as well as the kill screen displays... as long as they work well together no matter what combinations are chosen.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 514	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:16:00 - [28] - Quote Well here is my previous 2 isk cents on the topic. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=783026#post783026 Note the date was May 10th. Quote: CCP Draco wrote: On the "automatically call for help" feature, there are many voices both for and against. Allowing you to go to the overview map directly gives you the opportunity to make a tactical decision if it's better to respawn in a new location or run from where you are. I can think of two possible changes of the top of my head that might improve the system (apart from fixing actual bugs of missing icons, etc): 1. We always show the bleed out icon, but with some ammendment or color change if the player actually calls for help. 2. We allow you to configure automatic "call for help" when in bleedout. What do you think? ANSWER TO CCP DRACO'S QUESTION: 1) Always show a 'Bleeder Icon', but DO give it a different color when the bleeder calls for help! This way logi has a way to know that the person is more likely not to suicide just before reaching him. It's the way to know that the person is interested in revive. Color change for 'ask for revive' is good - the person is actually signaling his friends. So why hide it? IDEA: Somewhere up was good idea about accepting/not accepting revive. I further improve it: - When you receive a revive, give some three( as suggested?) seconds to choose whether to instantly (o) Suicide (x) Get Up Suicide because we are clone troops with suicide minibombs in our brain, so that's an option. - After 3s time, if no selection, Get Up. - if you get up, your reviver gets +60WP. - If you decide to suicide after all, your 'reviver' gets +30WP for Revive attempt FEEDBACK: After being gunned down, we should be in first person view with some graphical effects of pulsing blurry red vision etc. We should NOT be able to rotate (much) on the ground so bleeders won't become intel feeding temporary scouts. We should not go to killcam (whatever) following our killer because of said intel giving things and immersion breaking. while in 1st person bleedout view, we should have options: (o) Suicide (x) Call for medic (square) View death info ("lossmail") (triangle) View overview map (not sure if that's a good idea. Issuing SQ orders while bleeding was kinda stupid. Maybe we don't need that)
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 514	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:20:00 - [29] - Quote Also, after CCP Dracos reply the thread died https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=795103#post795103 Quote: #94 Posted: 2013.05.13 06:30 \| Report Like 1 The quick fix will let you wait on the kill screen, the icon will show right away. We will also look into what we can do with these other suggestions: GÇóOffsetting the kill screen, and/or allowing it to be toggled on/off. GÇóAdding a remaining bleedout timer/indicator to the bleedout icon so they know if it's worth running over. GÇóSome kind of indication, color, flashing, or other, to indicate that you really want to be revivied. GÇóAllow "call for help" from the kill screen. GÇóKEROSIINI-TERO's list of other suggestions. GÇóImprove the location of the icon vs. the corpse. Cheers, CCP Draco
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 514	Posted - 2013.07.02 18:24:00 - [30] - Quote NEW suggestion derived from Dracos list "GÇóAdding a remaining bleedout timer/indicator to the bleedout icon so they know if it's worth running over. " [SUGGESTION:] The 'man bleeding' icon should have the circular "time left" timer running around it. The same you'll see in Dust when spawning or in Eve with new Crimewatch.



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