Use a flux ffs, when will people "GET" that MD isnt meant to be a killer like the AR or HMG. Its a SUPPORT gun.

If only you could meet Rug. Best mass driver user I ever saw. He showed me it's the best kill stealing weapon (Fiddle from TP's is pretty good as well). You can kill with it just fine...he's killed 23k clones at over a 7.0 kdr. He's a beast.

Who said it doesnt kill? It can kill, it can flush players out of corners and out of hiding/behind objects, it can hit multiple enemies at once, it creates a cloud of obscuring smoke, it has no tracer rounds, it can take out light vehicles, has no range limit but has a difficult learning curve. Its a support weapon in that it's not meant to be in the front lines. The reason why it got heavily nerfed was because it was damn effective at range (the way it was suppose to be used) and flushed people out or out right killed them if they didnt have a safe place to hide.

Umm...he's in a 3 man corp currently, only 2 play....but that's not the point...even if you're protostomping noobs a 7.0 is something special. Name more than 50 people on dust who maintain that kdr protostomping noobs. The man is a beast, no matter the competition.

I respectfully disagree.

the plasma cannon cannot get a kdr of seven, and if the MD was as busted as it is then obtaining a 7 KDR would be impossible.
the lazer cannot get you a kdr of seven, and if the MD was as busted as it is then obtaining a 7 KDR would be impossible.

Even some of the best pubstomping campers can't get a kdr of 7. Like I said, there are fewer than 50 people on dust that have a kdr of 7 or higher (that have more than 8k kills and actually play) and even fewer if you really consider that many of those people are tankers. It proves a lot...name one bad player that has that 7 or higher KDR and I will rescind.

You may hold these assumptions because you cannot accept that a 7 or higher kdr takes an enormous amount of skill, that's fine. You have no proof of your claims. I can name tons of players that have achieved those levels of kdr through skill and talent and I can name players that play PC and have lost those kdrs a bit playing PC matches because they want to play against great competition, they don't care about their kdr. They run into the thick of it to get the most kills just like any of the rest of us, they just are better overall. If you want to exclude the kdr because your own bias then fine, hope it helps ya sleep better. The rest of us who have the humility to see these players for the beasts they are will continue to improve and have the fun playing them.

Let's evaluate here all of your responses to my posts:

Pardon my cinicism, but seeing how you are in Team Players (cause being in teamplayers means you go protostomp noobs all day when our 2 most visible players, Cubs and our CEO Hightimes run in 32k fits in every pub match they play), I would bet all those 23k adn 7.0 came from proto stomping noobs.

(You were wrong about your assertions here.)

I thought the only reason to protostomp was to have a kdr of of at least 7. (Never verified, a wrong dubious assertion here again) I am not gonna argue against that he is a beast or a god or a stud, I don't know who he is and I don't care. I am saying that kdr of 7 is possible with just about any weapon when proto stumping. (proved you were wrong about this one as well because i have proof from the players who do have that kind of KDR vs you who just dismissed it because that's all you could do.) So, it's a weak argument for why MD is a viable and balanced weapon. (No, if a good player can use it well, then why should I believe you're not just a noob who would be qq'ing over the HMG when it's perfectly fine like people are currently doing? or people qq'ing about nova knives being OP?) -_-

My response:
I respectfully disagree.

the plasma cannon cannot get a kdr of seven, and if the MD was as busted as it is then obtaining a 7 KDR would be impossible.
the lazer cannot get you a kdr of seven, and if the MD was as busted as it is then obtaining a 7 KDR would be impossible.
People can achieve a KDR of 7 with the mass driver and maintain it post uprising, so it seem like that is evidence in favor of my r
Even some of the best pubstomping campers can't get a kdr of 7. Like I said, there are fewer than 50 people on dust that have a kdr of 7 or higher (that have more than 8k kills and actually play) and even fewer if you really consider that many of those people are tankers. It proves a lot...name one bad player that has that 7 or higher KDR and I will rescind. (see this providing leeway for me to change my opinion? notice you never include any such statements in yours? Hmm)

Your response:

Oh come on. KDR is such a lame metric in this game. I wont be able to name anyone simply because I dont pay attention to KDR. (and of course because it's impossible even if you chose to ) KDR is something that protostomping corps use when they recruit and compare epeens inside the corp. (Oh so that's how you assume it goes cause you've been in how many of those corps? the butthurt is strong with this one) It has zero relevance to the game play and is a poor correlate to the skill. (in truth, as aforementioned, a player with that high of a KDR can't be a bad player using proto, they can't even be a good player using proto like Nikia Bethune, or King Kobrah, is has to be someone extremely exceptional, but of course it's easier for you to deny that and proffer weak arguments against it so please feel free) I can't tell you how many times I ve seen players from negative feedback back out from pub games when they play solo on a losing side (even if their side does not lose but comes close) just to save their KDR status (assuming intent ) If it was all about inflating KDR then they wouldn't be the most winningest corp on dust ). Yes, it's true that a bad player won't get KDR of 7 no matter what. (a welcome submission) Beyond that anyone with average skill can get that KDR if they want it. (Proof it's not an assertion? oh wait, you don't want to do that, you just want to throw out assertions without fact behind it cause that's easier than using facts and data and people's experiences sans your own ) In this game it's too easy to stack up proto equipment in your favor and then just carefully pick your fights. (maybe sometimes, but not always...or every decent sniper would have a 100 kdr and all these tryhards would just redline snipe right? ) The reason why there are not more ppl with a high KDR is because actually few ppl care that much about it to try to maintain it. (Exactly, meaning the ones who achieve that are the ones who earned 7 or higher kdr's, another wecome submission ) I am saying all of that to say that your argument about using one MD user maintaining a high KDR as an example to support you argument that MD is not a weak weapon is weak. (I think we're done here )