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Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 662	Posted - 2013.06.26 20:50:00 - [1] - Quote The obvious solution is to give us ADV and PRO HAVs, but with the maps we're using right now, they would be unstoppable in pubs- but that is the problem: balancing is done for pubs. Even with proto AV on the field (no more than one), i can still tear up a good 13 kills, and thats without rail sniping. If I had a tank with 10-14k HP and a couple boosters or reppers, I dont think there's any amount of AV out there that can stop me, short of a full squad of protos. Then you have a situation of ONLY TANKS CAN KILL TANKS. So what counters tanks that isn't tanks or infantry- gunships, maybe? But how are you gonna make something that can kill a 14k HP death machine that wont wreck infantry 100% of the time. So now we need to come up with a whole new kind of weapon that ONLY kills gunships, and very efficiently- but then it instakills dropships and makes them useless, again- unless dropships can outrun them in which case not even a tank can kill them. So now we need tanks with special SUPER swarm missiles that do really low damage but hit 98% of the time. Then the problem is that there is only 1 viable AV fitting and that's the anti-gunship weapon and he is weak against tanks, lavs, dropships, and infantry so it's not profitable at all, unless you have every vehicle kill being worth 100k ISK, each- but then only tankers can bank big, which means tank cost will shoot up again, unless only PROTO havs are viable, in which case, the only reason to be infantry is to cap objectives- which brings me to the ultimate conclusion that ends this vicious circle ----> we need new maps with enourmous indoor complexes where only infantry can fight and enourmous open fields where only tanks and vehicles can survive. so this completely segregates the player base into outdoor and indoor fighters, which is not necessarily a bad thing, as now infantry dont kill tanks and tanks rarely kill infantry. this will hide the problem more than solve it, but that's the catch -> vehicles and av will NEVER BE BALANCED and the only thing that can come close to fixing the problem (new maps) is going to take years to make because this game has been around a year and we have how many maps!? (rhetorical) then by comparison, CoD churns out like 4 a quarter, at least. But those maps are tiny, so dust needs to have 3 giant maps like ps2 or mag? Now Dust is trying to be Mag 2.0 or PS2-2.0 and it won't win that battle in its current state. That's probably as close to the truth as it gets- infantry aren't happy. tanks aren't happy. av is almost happy. The end.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana 90	Posted - 2013.06.26 20:58:00 - [2] - Quote while a pain to read you are right. I wonder how taliban guys feel when we hit them with gunships and Close Air sUpport and Tanks.. there should be no issue with Vehicle>infantry.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 662	Posted - 2013.06.26 21:17:00 - [3] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: while a pain to read you are right. I wonder how taliban guys feel when we hit them with gunships and Close Air sUpport and Tanks.. there should be no issue with Vehicle>infantry. i imagine very bad. Let's not even mention that we can drop 500lbd bombs from unmanned aircraft with relatively high accuracy. I have so little hope for vehicles bc we are, by definition, designed to be unstoppable.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 319	Posted - 2013.06.26 21:28:00 - [4] - Quote As a player completely specialized in infantry vs infantry combat, I cannot be sympathize with your dilemma. However what I can say, is that vehicles and tanks are a hard counter to my style. I will never ever be to down a tank with my AR. When I see a tank I turn around and run. At Least in your situation you are able to kill AV infantry. Its a hard counter learn to accept it
DEVILJIN 49 Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.26 23:26:00 - [5] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 672	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:18:00 - [6] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: As a player completely specialized in infantry vs infantry combat, I cannot be sympathize with your dilemma. However what I can say, is that vehicles and tanks are a hard counter to my style. I will never ever be to down a tank with my AR. When I see a tank I turn around and run. At Least in your situation you are able to kill AV infantry. Its a hard counter learn to accept it But i dont want to kill infantry; i want to kill tanks without infantry bothering me. all i want is giant 30 v 30 tank battles while ya'll fight in some bunker far, far away.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc 564	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:25:00 - [7] - Quote I've taken down Madrugers with Locus grenades and a standard Sniper rifle. Bring it on :P ~Sincerely, t(GÇóoGÇót)
Thor Thunder Fist Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:31:00 - [8] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: As a player completely specialized in infantry vs infantry combat, I cannot be sympathize with your dilemma. However what I can say, is that vehicles and tanks are a hard counter to my style. I will never ever be to down a tank with my AR. When I see a tank I turn around and run. At Least in your situation you are able to kill AV infantry. Its a hard counter learn to accept it But i dont want to kill infantry; i want to kill tanks without infantry bothering me. all i want is giant 30 v 30 tank battles while ya'll fight in some bunker far, far away. cough cough world of tanks cough cough I actually like this idea as an ex tanker( got out of it before it got to this pitiful state) communication is a nice example of a map where tanks are largely ineffective because 3/5 of the points are in places tanks cannot go. it would also stop the logi LAV problem I have been using those both as logi's to repair tanks and as a murder taxi the latter is more profitable but I feel dirty and giggly when I do it. as a counter to ReGnYuM you are able to run away from tanks most of the time. the main problem with tanks is that they are not able to run away they are just too slow. if they don't get an EHP buff or an acceleration buff they will be largely useless as soon as a proto forge guy or two comes along.
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 672	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:37:00 - [9] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I've taken down Madrugers with Locus grenades and a standard Sniper rifle. Bring it on :P ~Sincerely, t(GÇóoGÇót) i got killed by a mlt AR once. and in my maddy, by a flayock at least twice. that thing is ridiculious
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 435	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:40:00 - [10] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I've taken down Madrugers with Locus grenades and a standard Sniper rifle. Bring it on :P ~Sincerely, t(GÇóoGÇót) i got killed by a mlt AR once. and in my maddy, by a flayock at least twice. that thing is ridiculious Just because he got the last bit of damage on you doesn't mean he destroyed your tank with an AR.

Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 675	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:49:00 - [11] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I've taken down Madrugers with Locus grenades and a standard Sniper rifle. Bring it on :P ~Sincerely, t(GÇóoGÇót) i got killed by a mlt AR once. and in my maddy, by a flayock at least twice. that thing is ridiculious Just because he got the last bit of damage on you doesn't mean he destroyed your tank with an AR. im pretty sure i was at full health and then i suddenly had none and there was a guy with a mlt ar shooting me to death so obi he did like 9000 damage in a second. im not stupid, mr dust uni guy. gawd.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 435	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:51:00 - [12] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I've taken down Madrugers with Locus grenades and a standard Sniper rifle. Bring it on :P ~Sincerely, t(GÇóoGÇót) i got killed by a mlt AR once. and in my maddy, by a flayock at least twice. that thing is ridiculious Just because he got the last bit of damage on you doesn't mean he destroyed your tank with an AR. im pretty sure i was at full health and then i suddenly had none and there was a guy with a mlt ar shooting me to death so obi he did like 9000 damage in a second. im not stupid, mr dust uni guy. gawd. Ok then. Your right. I'm going to use ar as AV now. Fuck the swarm launcher.
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 203	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:51:00 - [13] - Quote WALL OF TEXT
Charlotte O'Dell Molon Labe. League of Infamy 675	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:53:00 - [14] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: I've taken down Madrugers with Locus grenades and a standard Sniper rifle. Bring it on :P ~Sincerely, t(GÇóoGÇót) i got killed by a mlt AR once. and in my maddy, by a flayock at least twice. that thing is ridiculious Just because he got the last bit of damage on you doesn't mean he destroyed your tank with an AR. im pretty sure i was at full health and then i suddenly had none and there was a guy with a mlt ar shooting me to death so obi he did like 9000 damage in a second. im not stupid, mr dust uni guy. gawd. Ok then. Your right. I'm going to use ar as AV now. Fuck the swarm launcher. you amaze me, mr dust uni. clearly im gonna have to see about getting a little time in at your school so i can enlighten all of you to the truth about tanks. who wants a free gunlogi with particle cannon?
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 435	Posted - 2013.06.27 03:58:00 - [15] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: i got killed by a mlt AR once. and in my maddy, by a flayock at least twice. that thing is ridiculious Just because he got the last bit of damage on you doesn't mean he destroyed your tank with an AR. im pretty sure i was at full health and then i suddenly had none and there was a guy with a mlt ar shooting me to death so obi he did like 9000 damage in a second. im not stupid, mr dust uni guy. gawd. Ok then. Your right. I'm going to use ar as AV now. Fuck the swarm launcher. you amaze me, mr dust uni. clearly im gonna have to see about getting a little time in at your school so i can enlighten all of you to the truth about tanks. who wants a free gunlogi with particle cannon? Nah I like blowing them up too much. I'd end up just driving it in the redline anyways.
VinceVon Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.06.28 00:32:00 - [16] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets
Mobias Wyvern Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.07.06 01:40:00 - [17] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year 1080p Ultra settings at Night Intense Open Field Battle 100 Man Infantry Objective Push Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Planetside 2 Machinima Factions Explained Why you should Play Planetside 2 From Vets


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