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Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:50:00 - [1] - Quote Should only be able to use simple sidearms and novas. However, I think they should come pre-equipped with always on, low-range active scanners, telescopic (non-aiming) vision, and some sort of secondary weapon that temporarily paralyzes enemies in an protective cocoon of energy. Stun-gun and run, I say.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 192	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:55:00 - [2] - Quote Tired of getting shotgunned?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 709	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:57:00 - [3] - Quote Maybe you'd prefer if they had a twinkie and cheetos launcher as well and kept food in their backpack instead of a shield generator?
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:58:00 - [4] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Tired of getting shotgunned? Or that. Shotgunning. By the way, I haven't died of pellets in a while, to be honest.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:58:00 - [5] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Maybe you'd prefer if they had a twinkie and cheetos launcher as well and kept food in their backpack instead of a shield generator? Now we're getting somewhere.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2013.06.22 17:59:00 - [6] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Maybe you'd prefer if they had a twinkie and cheetos launcher as well and kept food in their backpack instead of a shield generator? Now we're getting somewhere. But, those are name-brand snacks, and I'm pretty sure CCP can't justify the costs.
Dust Project 514 Dust Evo 514 35	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:15:00 - [7] - Quote I'm starting to think that weapons should be suit class locked. So we don't get suits running with weapons that unbalance them. Scouts with SideArms makes sense... With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. While Mediums can only use light weapons, while heavies use heavy and large light weapons only.
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 500	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:18:00 - [8] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: I'm starting to think that weapons should be suit class locked. So we don't get suits running with weapons that unbalance them. Scouts with SideArms makes sense... With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. While Mediums can only use light weapons, while heavies use heavy and large light weapons only. Oh, now you're just spewing crazy-talk. Everyone knows that's it's just as easy to run with a cannon as it is with a pistol.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 192	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:19:00 - [9] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. Who are these plasma cannon wielding scouts you speak of?
Dust Project 514 Dust Evo 514 35	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:27:00 - [10] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. Who are these plasma cannon wielding scouts you speak of? I'm talking the abilities to do so. Not what is actually happening. Imagine a Lv5 Minmatar Scout Flanking a whole group of Reds and blast them all in one cannon shot, because they didn't see'em coming.

Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 500	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:29:00 - [11] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. Who are these plasma cannon wielding scouts you speak of? I'm talking the abilities to do so. Not what is actually happening. Imagine a Lv5 Minmatar Scout Flanking a whole group of Reds and blast them all in one cannon shot, because they didn't see'em coming. You know, if a scout can run with any weapon (even theoretically), heavies and mediums should be able to run at scout speeds. It's only fair.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 85	Posted - 2013.06.25 14:52:00 - [12] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: I'm talking the abilities to do so. Not what is actually happening. Imagine a Lv5 Minmatar Scout Flanking a whole group of Reds and blast them all in one cannon shot, because they didn't see'em coming. Did the Plasma Cannon get a buff? That'd be great! In the above 'what if' scenario, the cannon-wielding scout might be able to take out one of the three targets should he land a lucky direct hit. More likely, the intended target will waddle half a meter off course and take ~300 splash damage. In practice, dealing full damage with the cannon is no small feat; I can't imagine any scenario wherein one blast would OHK multiple targets. Great idea, though. Sadly, the scout suit ain't what it used to be in the long haul ... unless you're a Nova Ninja . Some newcomers are drawn to the scout suit's on-paper potential. They're in for a nasty letdown if they plan to stick around. While it is effective in pubs, the scout suit is not reliable against organized opponents (i.e. planetary conquest). If it were possible to poll the PC leaderboards, you would find that scouts are far from threatening. Take note, scoutly newcomers. A large percentage of the scout community opted out on Uprising respec. The content of this thread would suggest that the 20 or so remaining scout vets have somehow rocked the AR-514 boat. High five, brothers! OP/UP tears and tantrums aside, improvements to PC lag and overall aiming mechanics will make or break the scout suit. Fingers crossed on the former. - Shotty GoBang
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 85	Posted - 2013.06.25 14:56:00 - [13] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Stun-gun and run, I say. Also, +1 to this part.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1759	Posted - 2013.06.25 14:59:00 - [14] - Quote All the serious suggestions in this thread are just ridiculous. Yes, they do have a limit to what they can use- it's called not having a heavy weapon slot. I'm sure eventually, there will be an extremely specialized scout that can only use sidearms.
noobsniper the 2nd Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.06.25 15:05:00 - [15] - Quote minja nova kinfe to yo face
Son Down SamsClub 18	Posted - 2013.06.25 15:08:00 - [16] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: I'm starting to think that weapons should be suit class locked. So we don't get suits running with weapons that unbalance them. Scouts with SideArms makes sense... With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. While Mediums can only use light weapons, while heavies use heavy and large light weapons only. Helllloooooo Dust 514 endgame. As if FPS's aren't difficult enough to balance, CCP decided to create a hippy-free-for-all of classes/weapons/modules, etc. While the 13 year old squeakers are going to cry "thats what makes it sooo derpy fun", the fact of the matter is that it makes it impossible to balance ANYTHING. Some form of class-weapon locking beyond the current heavy/light is not a matter of if, but rather of when.
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 21	Posted - 2013.06.25 15:10:00 - [17] - Quote Well, I still have a lot of fun as a scout in pub matches and frequently top the wp board. I have also used scouts in PC very effectively but not for killing of course although a speed tanked minnie proto logi can also do a good job.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.06.25 15:14:00 - [18] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Should only be able to use simple sidearms and novas. However, I think they should come pre-equipped with always on, low-range active scanners, telescopic (non-aiming) vision, and some sort of secondary weapon that temporarily paralyzes enemies in an protective cocoon of energy. Stun-gun and run, I say. Whats a simple sidearm? No Flaylock or SMG? How about the archetype scout - one with a Sniper? Must be trolling
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2085	Posted - 2013.06.25 15:15:00 - [19] - Quote People are complaining about scouts too? I'm starting to realize why CCP doesn't listen to us.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 37	Posted - 2013.06.25 15:30:00 - [20] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: kept food in their backpack instead of a shield generator? As a scout that's what it feels like I'm carrying, a backpack with healthy snacks.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1760	Posted - 2013.06.25 15:47:00 - [21] - Quote Niuvo wrote: Crash Monster wrote: kept food in their backpack instead of a shield generator? As a scout that's what it feels like I'm carrying, a backpack with healthy snacks. What backpack? minjas have nothing
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 778	Posted - 2013.06.25 16:23:00 - [22] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: What backpack? minjas have nothing Bummer, you must get hungry when you head up into the more remote terrain. Munch munch. I'm packing some cocoa puffs next outing.
HyperionsThunder Onslaught Initiative 11	Posted - 2013.06.25 16:46:00 - [23] - Quote Everyone complains about everything. The scout is the only suit fast enough to effectively use the shotgun, and even with lightning speeds, if you don't sneak up, you are going to get torn apart by ANY weapon. Scouts don't have much HP, remember? S'why they are so fast. Effective scouts hide and sneak and pick off stragglers. They are not effective front line fighters. I think it'd be totally fair if they sneak around to the flank and blow up a whole squad. Kudos for sneaking to the flank. Wouldn't an assault build running complex speed enhancers (+12% speed) be doing much more damage?
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 174	Posted - 2013.06.25 16:48:00 - [24] - Quote NONONONONONONO do you realize how gimped Scouts are in this build??
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 38	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:17:00 - [25] - Quote Scouts = Light snack
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 87	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:39:00 - [26] - Quote Wow..... really? Do you play a scout? Why are you making these suggestions? Scout absolutely doesn't need any offensive gimping at the moment. Sure, if you want to equip some telescoping goggles instead of a light weapon, okay - I'm all for additional choice for recon scouts..... but, I doubt that would get used much. And why not just make it an equipment item? Plus, what do you consider "low range" for your active scanner ability? Really, scouts need help..... Speed, improved scan range.... these would be useful upgrades. Maybe an extra high or low slot....
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 87	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:42:00 - [27] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: You know, if a scout can run with any weapon (even theoretically), heavies and mediums should be able to run at scout speeds. It's only fair. No, that's ridiculous..... Meduim weapons, (plasma launcher aside) are not that much of a burden to a light suit..... however the additional mass of a suit designed to be bigger and withstand damage absolutely seems like it should move slower. You want to run fast? Play a scout and deal with having no HP. Or use one of those precious low slots for a kin/cat or two..... Jeeze. Lay off my suit dammit. It's already bad enough and I don't wanna hear any damn advice from people that don't play scouts (and if you are a scout, what are you thinking with these 'suggestions'?)
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 350	Posted - 2013.06.25 18:59:00 - [28] - Quote I haunt objectives. Don't bother looking for me, you won't see me. (complex dampener) I'm not in the front lines. I run with a shotty, and RE, fused nades, and six sin smg. So ALL MY ATTACKS are OHK. But I can be OHK myself. but it always brings a smile to my face, when the red dot sees me walk off that attack and notice that yes, I have complex shields extenders and re chargers. It will take him a bit to get those shields up, mine are already up as soon as they are down. we are the last of the ninja cowboys. We are in the whispers of women. and in their sighs. we are scouts.
NotAnotherClone Eir Gaming 2	Posted - 2013.06.25 19:50:00 - [29] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: I'm starting to think that weapons should be suit class locked. So we don't get suits running with weapons that unbalance them. Scouts with SideArms makes sense... With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. While Mediums can only use light weapons, while heavies use heavy and large light weapons only. this is dust not PS2
Onesimus Tarsus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 528	Posted - 2013.06.25 23:00:00 - [30] - Quote NotAnotherClone wrote: Dust Project 514 wrote: I'm starting to think that weapons should be suit class locked. So we don't get suits running with weapons that unbalance them. Scouts with SideArms makes sense... With Plasma Cannons running at Sonic gotta go fast speeds... You must be joking. While Mediums can only use light weapons, while heavies use heavy and large light weapons only. this is dust not PS2 Boy howdy.



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