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Jay Westen
Atlantis Prime Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:51:00 -
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So after reading a post recently on the forums (Can't find the link) in reference to a player appointed RP event, regarding the recent lore events in Haatomo, I got to thinking. What if more events like this could/would take place. Players generate them. To hell with PC in its current state, To hell with FW in its current state. Turn it over to the players to make the game enjoyable till everything else can be figured out. So I started brainstorming ideas and I kept coming back to a fundamental flaw. How would you reward players who actually take part in the matches and contribute. The best way I could think of this is ISK contracts from EvE Players. Before you get your flame throwers out and start going off about breaking the economy, and such listen.
Take the average ISK granted to players during a match, top players are around 225k for winning side and 150k for middle players, correct? So lets say 200k for top 5 players, 100k for the next 8 players and 50k for the bottom 5 players, so around 2,050,000 ISK is given away during a match (VERY VERY ROUGH and I'm not 100% on my math.) Thats your max contract grantable by a EvE Corporation. I know that's a drop in the bucket for EvE corporations, but if you keep the current rewards essentially players completing contracts could double the isk intake in a match, without changing much to the in game economy. Even though with the liquidation ISK doesn't seem to be an issue, I'm going to address this in another post which I'll Link here, it still gives players a sense of accomplishment and gives them an added bonus.
(TL;DR: Give EvE access to create contracts for Dust, but Cap them as to not break the economy.) |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
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Posted - 2013.06.20 09:34:00 -
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+1
Tell us more about EVE side motivations behind contracts issued to DUST mercs... |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:10:00 -
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Ah, but you see, if this happened someone would magically find a way to exploit it, however marginally, and that would wreck the precious EvE economy.  |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:24:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:+1
Tell us more about EVE side motivations behind contracts issued to DUST mercs...
This...
EVE gives no ***** about Dusties and they couldn't care less. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the greed of EVE fails, when they forsake their path and break all bonds of ISK hoarding, But it is not this day. An hour when they want to contribute to our cause, to give us a reason to fight together! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dead in this good Eden, I bid you stand! Goo of the Dust!
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Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
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Posted - 2013.06.20 12:57:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:+1
Tell us more about EVE side motivations behind contracts issued to DUST mercs... This... EVE gives no ***** about Dusties and they couldn't care less. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the greed of EVE fails, when they forsake their path and break all bonds of ISK hoarding, But it is not this day. An hour when they want to contribute to our cause, to give us a reason to fight together! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dead in this good Eden, I bid you stand! Goo of the Dust! EVE Capsuleers involved in FW would disagree with you...
One example:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=940455
Quote:(...)Yeah that's good but you need to step it up so we can dominate the scummy Minmatar with the full 12.5% Bonus.(...)
There is more of it... |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
682
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Posted - 2013.06.20 13:02:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: EVE Capsuleers involved in FW would disagree with you...
Give it a month to 4 months of not getting any real rewards and sitting on grid in low sec for anyone to come pop your ship which has no weapons on it.
Its still a novelty. An impulse purchase, in the cart now, on the shelf forever. |
Jay Westen
Atlantis Prime Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2013.06.20 22:26:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:+1
Tell us more about EVE side motivations behind contracts issued to DUST mercs...
Me personally the incentive for EvE players will always be a monetary reward. Not just hard currency but production items. I'll address this in a follow up post since I'm suppose to limit ideas/feedbacks/requests to a single post which I'll link here.
While the current system of increasing planetary interaction is a good start, and I'll be the first to admit I know little to nothing about null and low sec planetary interaction, nor the mechanics of what it does increase in the sense is it only the planets or does it affect the orbiting moons, if it doesn't effect orbiting moons then it should (again follow up post.) from what I have seen in the current direction of PI in Dust, it doesn't have much of an effect. The monetary reward for PC Contracts will mostly be included in follow-up posts. Which will be linked here.
But as for this post, I would propose go ahead and open all the other planets, have the free-for-all we all know we want, stop limiting it to one sector. Then once that's done and battle lines have begun to stabilize introduce a mechanic that would allow territory sovereignty to change faster when a percentage of planet district is controlled by an opposing ground forces. The issue I do see with this is tampering with the timers in EvE. While this doesn't support a monetary reward per say it does offer political and more meta-gaming options, contracts could be given out openly to any corporation, not specifically to corporations tied to the EvE alliance or corp. While this does seem to be the direction Dust/EvE interaction will be going, I feel it is something that needs to happen sooner than later. A lot of people say that mechanics need to be polished and refined to 'keep players' I say not essentially, if you give players a rich back-story a reason to fight, a reason to play, other than the senseless grind in public matches you'll continue to have a good player base. As for myself, I'd be willing to over-look the minute issues of game play (I personally again have no problems with shooting other dusties, so maybe others do, I don't know I can't speak to that.) for a rich play environment, and true sandbox gaming.
As for the FW side of the house, I've already seen post where EvE Players have said it works, and I believe someone linked it. Allowing FW driven corporations and FW players in EvE to create contracts themselves directing players to fight for a specific side would give players again a reason to fight, an added bonus. The issue with this though is EvE wallets are so big that both sides would likely have full contracts to support. However, the idea that your fighting for a much bigger bonus would inspire players to at least try, and not go afk in matches. Or if you wanted to get real crazy make all ISK rewards dependent on contracts by EvE players. You accept a contract and fail, you get either A.) an amount set in a failed mission clause, or B.) No ISK reward. I prefer Option B. I like what someone said in a post once, leave the Public matches for the softcore players.
Also, Option B would allow for the contracts to be increased in cap, so essentially one side is fighting for ALL the isk, not just part.
In the event that a FW fight does not have any EvE Contract support then a new mechanic would need to take it's place or rely back on the original mechanic.
TL;DR
PC:Open the Galaxy up for PC battles.
FW: Seems to be working, give EvE players the capability to reward other than pats on the back.
Monetary rewards this post.
Daedric Lothar wrote:This...
EVE gives no ***** about Dusties and they couldn't care less.
We, as a community, need to give them a reason to care about us. Unfortunately in the current setup that's hard to do. The only thing I can say is as a whole a corporation should be made to take on PC and have ZERO ties to EvE. Therefore no one gets the bonuses it's suppose to have. If it effects a capsuleers wallet they'll pay attention. If it has zero impact CCP will take notice.
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Ah, but you see, if this happened someone would magically find a way to exploit it, however marginally, and that would wreck the precious EvE economy. Roll
Then a mechanic needs to be put into place. Such as one corporation can only accept one contract. Or one player can accept one contract. For instance, have a dual contract system, a EvE capsuleer can essentially assign an open contract for a corporation or for an individual, they can assign as many contracts as they want, maybe limit it by the EvE skill that governs contracts (I forget what it is.) Dust corporations can only accept one contract OR a player can only accept one contract. There would need to be a system in place that would reserve a players spot in battle if they hold a contract for said battle.
Think of ways to break/exploit it lets figure it out. |
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