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Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:38:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:What this game needs is less BPOs, not more.
The more BPOs the less the buying of fits matter, which is kinda a Unique Selling Point and the sole reason why Dust is still bearable as far as gameplay goes. I just want an even playing field man. There is no reason why people should get such a massive advantage just because they happened to pick the right weapon/suit. So instead of using 18000 sp and 900 isk you want to spend zero? I am going to assume that you meant 18000 Aur (for a blue print) other wise your post doesn't make since to me and that by 900 ISK you meant for a milita BPC (which is actually 585 ISK). now that we have got that cleared up here is the deal: Let's take the Gallente for example: The Gallente millitia variant has no high slots three low slots and 25 PG (I am only listing the stats that are different between the suits). 585 ISK. The Gallente std varient has one high slot three low slots and 30 PG. 6,800 ISK. The Caldari militia variant has two high slot one low slot and 26 PG. 585 ISK. The Caldari std variant has two high slots, two low slots and 30pg. 6,800 ISK. Now, let's say that I have all of my SP into Gallente related skills (armor plates, armor repair, arguably biotics - if you don't have the lows to equip them then you can't use them). So this is the problem: why should someone get such a mass advantage just because they happened the pick Caldari? The difference is between free and having to spend 6,800 ISK every time you die. Do I care about 6,800 ISK every time I die? Yea I do. With a Gallente suit on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 20,120 ISK. It has 199 HP shields, 400 HP armor and a 6.25 HP/sec repair rate With the Caldari on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 10,335 ISK. It has 329 HP shield, and 288 HP armor. Now this Caldar suit has a grand total of 17 more eHP than my Gallente at the cost of 6.25 HP/sec repair rate and an almost 100% increase in cost. Do I care about this? Yes I do. Why should others get such an advantage for no other reaso than that they happened to pick the right race. My Gallente character specializes in assault rifles and I use the assault rifle BPO on my Caldari as well, but what about other characters, like the one that I am writing this post with? He is full Amarr and not only does it hurt him skill wise to be in a Caldari suit but he also has no skill for the AR. All his skills are into SR. That means that I have to spend another 1,500 ISK/death for this character, to buy a proper weapon. I think that this stuff is important an needs to be adressed by CCP. No I meant 18000 sp to skill into scrambler rifle then 900 isk to buy one but they are actually 1200isk. Standard gear is so cheap to buy and skill into. I don't see the fascination with having infinite suits.
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IamI3rian
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
204
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:43:00 -
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I use my proto to farm I$K.
Methinks you guys die too much. = D |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:45:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Poplo Furuya wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Wow it is even worse than I thought. I misspoke earlyer:
The "Raven" and Valor are actually racial std varients. Which means that for a pittly thre levels into "Caldari Medium Dropsuits" and one level into "Caldari Assault Dropsuits" you get to use the Caldari racial bonus with out having to worry at all about any ISK recourse. If you have five levels into the racial suits bonus... Man that is just not fair even in the slightest.
That actually kind of upsets me. *shakes his head* Racial suit bonuses is tied to the tier of the suit, not your investment in the relevant Dropsuit Command skill. Even if you have Caldari Assault Suits at 5 you'll only get a 5% bonus to extenders in a T1 STD, not the full 25%. Your point still stands, just being finnicky on the details. *double buzzer sound* wrong. If you have level five in the racial bonus it does not matter if you are using a proto or std suit, you still get the full bonus. If you don't believe me then try it out with the Minmatar sidarm bonus. I assure you it works. Eh... you're quite sure? Damn, that's all kinds of messed up and I'm fairly sure it's not WAI.
If it is WAI... well, that's a design decision that doesn't sit well with me. Will have to look into this, I thought the phrasing on racial bonuses was 'X% per level of the suit' though, not X% per level of the skill. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.06.20 01:52:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:What this game needs is less BPOs, not more.
The more BPOs the less the buying of fits matter, which is kinda a Unique Selling Point and the sole reason why Dust is still bearable as far as gameplay goes. I just want an even playing field man. There is no reason why people should get such a massive advantage just because they happened to pick the right weapon/suit. So instead of using 18000 sp and 900 isk you want to spend zero? I am going to assume that you meant 18000 Aur (for a blue print) other wise your post doesn't make since to me and that by 900 ISK you meant for a milita BPC (which is actually 585 ISK). now that we have got that cleared up here is the deal: Let's take the Gallente for example: The Gallente millitia variant has no high slots three low slots and 25 PG (I am only listing the stats that are different between the suits). 585 ISK. The Gallente std varient has one high slot three low slots and 30 PG. 6,800 ISK. The Caldari militia variant has two high slot one low slot and 26 PG. 585 ISK. The Caldari std variant has two high slots, two low slots and 30pg. 6,800 ISK. Now, let's say that I have all of my SP into Gallente related skills (armor plates, armor repair, arguably biotics - if you don't have the lows to equip them then you can't use them). So this is the problem: why should someone get such a mass advantage just because they happened the pick Caldari? The difference is between free and having to spend 6,800 ISK every time you die. Do I care about 6,800 ISK every time I die? Yea I do. With a Gallente suit on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 20,120 ISK. It has 199 HP shields, 400 HP armor and a 6.25 HP/sec repair rate With the Caldari on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 10,335 ISK. It has 329 HP shield, and 288 HP armor. Now this Caldar suit has a grand total of 17 more eHP than my Gallente at the cost of 6.25 HP/sec repair rate and an almost 100% increase in cost. Do I care about this? Yes I do. Why should others get such an advantage for no other reaso than that they happened to pick the right race. My Gallente character specializes in assault rifles and I use the assault rifle BPO on my Caldari as well, but what about other characters, like the one that I am writing this post with? He is full Amarr and not only does it hurt him skill wise to be in a Caldari suit but he also has no skill for the AR. All his skills are into SR. That means that I have to spend another 1,500 ISK/death for this character, to buy a proper weapon. I think that this stuff is important an needs to be adressed by CCP. No I meant 18000 sp to skill into scrambler rifle then 900 isk to buy one but they are actually 1200isk. Standard gear is so cheap to buy and skill into. I don't see the fascination with having infinite suits.
Heh, your numbers are still off:
To skill the LV1 SR cost 12,440 SP.
To purchase the LV1 weapon cost 1,500 ISK.
However, your point is moot, when others are able to use a weapon that they have a massive amount of SP invested into already for free. It is 1,500 ISK to much. |
PlanetSide2Bomber
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:06:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year Insane Infantry Push Amazing Night Battle Night to Day Canyon Battle Intense Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:10:00 -
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Dude seriously? After the stunts you guys have been pulling on this forum lately, I wouldn't even **** on that game.
Can we get somebody to ban this guy. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:14:00 -
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Really? **** is a censored word but I can say damn? Wth? A slang name for a bodily liquid. I don't get that one. |
Aliakin Koreck
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:41:00 -
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Proto bpo's oh yeah big sellers |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:42:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It kinda sucks, I have three characters and none of them are Caldari. Why sould the Caldari be the only ones to get the best ISK grinding item in the game? With this character I am full Amarr, yet I am forced to have at least one ISK grinding fit with the Caldari BPO suit and a AR BPO. An AR BPO? I have all of my weapons SP into scramblers rifles and flaylocks. Why should it be that I am forced to be at such a disadvantage, by being forced to use a weapon into which I have no SP invested, while others are just running around having a good ol time?
So the question is: are you guys (CCP) planning on making BPOs for the rest of the std gear? And if not why? I think that each std weapon and std suit (basic suits only of course) need to get a BPO, just to even the playing field ISK wise.
If these things are in the works could you give us a time frame please?
Actaully, I believe we just need a means of obtaining BPO's via game play. IE: PVE rewards for winning an escalating battle. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
936
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Posted - 2013.06.20 07:33:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote: Eh... you're quite sure? Damn, that's all kinds of messed up and I'm fairly sure it's not WAI.
If it is WAI... well, that's a design decision that doesn't sit well with me. Will have to look into this, I thought the phrasing on racial bonuses was 'X% per level of the suit' though, not X% per level of the skill.
It's completely as intended. It's the perk you get for maxing a skill. That's how all skills in the game work. If you have Shield Extenders to 5, you get the rank 5 bonus on a standard extender, if you have rank 5 Weapon Whatever, you get the full passive on the standard level weapon.
If you use a standard level logistics suit, but have Rank 5 Race Logi, you get +5 to armor reps. That's your reward for maxing a friggin 8x skill. |
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Harry Hendersons
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 18:53:00 -
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How much $$ would a proto heavy BPO suitt cost? |
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:36:00 -
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How about a proto tank bpo? |
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:40:00 -
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http://youtu.be/gCBTN_3wQ8g |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:51:00 -
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The only time I think there should ever be a proto BPO is one won from a tournament. They would be terrible for the economy. ISK is already borderline useless anyways. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:02:00 -
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This thread is not about proto BPOs. Get your own thread. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
965
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Posted - 2013.06.23 02:05:00 -
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Indeed. |
Kelrie Nae'bre
not in a corporation
39
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Posted - 2013.06.24 05:23:00 -
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I don't think any STD BPOs will break the balance anymore than is already the case. Many STD-level suits are woefully low on slots and fitting anyway. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
357
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Posted - 2013.06.24 05:35:00 -
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British Police Officers? |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
128
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:11:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It kinda sucks, I have three characters and none of them are Caldari. Why sould the Caldari be the only ones to get the best ISK grinding item in the game? With this character I am full Amarr, yet I am forced to have at least one ISK grinding fit with the Caldari BPO suit and a AR BPO. An AR BPO? I have all of my weapons SP into scramblers rifles and flaylocks. Why should it be that I am forced to be at such a disadvantage, by being forced to use a weapon into which I have no SP invested, while others are just running around having a good ol time?
So the question is: are you guys (CCP) planning on making BPOs for the rest of the std gear? And if not why? I think that each std weapon and std suit (basic suits only of course) need to get a BPO, just to even the playing field ISK wise.
If these things are in the works could you give us a time frame please?
More BPOs/time frame please. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
222
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:14:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:As far as I'm concerned, there are only militia-level BPOs and it should stay they way for reasons mentioned here:
But there are BPOs of items at the standard level. |
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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
725
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:24:00 -
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Yeah If you buy the $120 EvE Custom Edition or whatever it is, you'll get Amarr Templar BPO's (I think....they may just be BPC's)
#CCPHatestheAmarr |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
584
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:27:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yeah If you buy the $120 EvE Custom Edition or whatever it is, you'll get Amarr Templar BPO's (I think....they may just be BPC's)
#CCPHatestheAmarr They're BPOs. And i think current BPOs should be no more than color palletes that are applied to normal suits.
Every BPO means a lost customer for eve industrialists. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
147
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:25:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yeah If you buy the $120 EvE Custom Edition or whatever it is, you'll get Amarr Templar BPO's (I think....they may just be BPC's)
#CCPHatestheAmarr They're BPOs. And i think current BPOs should be no more than color palletes that are applied to normal suits. Every BPO means a lost customer for eve industrialists.
EVE doesn't make anything for us. It all comes out of thin air. The fact is that std BPOs already exist in the game. It's a little late to remove them now. What needs to be done is for CCP to even the playing field by bringing out BPOs for the racial variants of suits and weapons. There is absolutely no reason why the Caldari should be given such a huge advantage by having the best ISK farming suit in the game (the only assault/medium frame std BPO or, even worse, the "Raven" assault class BPO, which benifits from the racial skill bonus).
There is absolutely no reason why the assault type BPOs we have should exist, yet there be nothing for any other race but Caldari. |
First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
461
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:29:00 -
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BPO all the things! |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
632
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:42:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yeah If you buy the $120 EvE Custom Edition or whatever it is, you'll get Amarr Templar BPO's (I think....they may just be BPC's)
#CCPHatestheAmarr They're BPOs. And i think current BPOs should be no more than color palletes that are applied to normal suits. Every BPO means a lost customer for eve industrialists. EVE doesn't make anything for us[...] Yet. And that is one of the problems with current BPOs. When the economy gets fleshed out, all BPC items will eventually have to be made from actual players in actual installations from actual resources. BPOs break this concept as there's less gain in producing a particular STD suit when part of the playerbase will never have to buy it.
I say BPO have to be removed and replaced with color schemes that are then put on any suit you like (proto swag, anyone?) just like any other module. This should happen as soon as possible as every purchase BPO purchase is reducing global demand for that BPO item, shrinking the market, which will then lead to higher prices for those without BPOs.
AUR should not be used to create infinite resources. Pure vanity [BPO] items have proven time and time again as a very successfull F2P concept and especially in dust this should be the way to go.
The issue of how to remove BPOs without causing riots and lawsuits is a tough nut i agree. But i think getting to a long term solution of the BPO problem is important enough to take the time and figure out something acceptable. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
277
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Posted - 2013.07.27 11:49:00 -
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More BPOs please. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
288
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:00:00 -
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Where are the BPOs for the other races? Come on CCP WTH man? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1667
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:06:00 -
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This game needs less Caldari BPOs.
You have any idea how many Saga BPOs they have, 5 You know how many BPO Methan's they had? 0, they had a militia but they took it out.
Let's look at Caldari suit BPO, dear god there are so many I can't friggen tell I know at least +9. The most the next race has is gallente with around 2 or possibly 3.
Does anyone else see a problem with this? |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
357
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:11:00 -
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I was under the impression that the Dren suits (etc) all benefited from skills in their respective trees in the same way that the weapons do.
It'd be easiest to check with Minmatar Logistics; if anyone owns a Dren Logi suit and has skilled into Min Logi, could you please confirm or deny whether your Dren suit gets Armour Repair passively? |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
725
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Posted - 2013.09.14 16:13:00 -
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Everything Lvl 3 & under should have BPO & BPC.
Everything Lvl 4 or 5, should be strictly skill based and earned. |
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