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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 07:36:00 -
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It kinda sucks, I have three characters and none of them are Caldari. Why sould the Caldari be the only ones to get the best ISK grinding item in the game. With this character I am full Amarr, yet I am forced to have at least one ISK grinding fit with the Caldari BPO suit and a AR BPO. An AR BPO? I have all of my weapons SP into scramblers rifles and flaylocks. Why should it be that I am forced to be at such a disadvantage, by being forced to use a weapon into which I have no SP invested, while others are just runing around having a good ol time.
So the question is: are you guys (CCP) planning on making BPOs for the rest of the std gear? And if not why? I think that each std weapon and std suit (basic suits only of course) need to get a BPO, just to even the playing field ISK wise.
If these things are in the works could you give us a time frame please? |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 08:13:00 -
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Karl Koekwaus wrote:What this game needs is less BPOs, not more.
The more BPOs the less the buying of fits matter, which is kinda a Unique Selling Point and the sole reason why Dust is still bearable as far as gameplay goes.
I just want an even playing field man. There is no reason why people should get such a massive advantage just because they happened to pick the right weapon/suit. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 20:31:00 -
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Just trying to get a blue answer to these questions |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:29:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:What this game needs is less BPOs, not more.
The more BPOs the less the buying of fits matter, which is kinda a Unique Selling Point and the sole reason why Dust is still bearable as far as gameplay goes. I just want an even playing field man. There is no reason why people should get such a massive advantage just because they happened to pick the right weapon/suit. So instead of using 18000 sp and 900 isk you want to spend zero?
I am going to assume that you meant 18000 Aur (for a blue print) other wise your post doesn't make since to me and that by 900 ISK you meant for a milita BPC (which is actually 585 ISK).
now that we have got that cleared up here is the deal:
Let's take the Gallente for example:
The Gallente millitia variant has no high slots three low slots and 25 PG (I am only listing the stats that are different between the suits). 585 ISK.
The Gallente std varient has one high slot three low slots and 30 PG. 6,800 ISK.
The Caldari militia variant has two high slot one low slot and 26 PG. 585 ISK.
The Caldari std variant has two high slots, two low slots and 30pg. 6,800 ISK.
Now, let's say that I have all of my SP into Gallente related skills (armor plates, armor repair, arguably biotics - if you don't have the lows to equip them then you can't use them). So this is the problem: why should someone get such a mass advantage just because they happened the pick Caldari? The difference is between free and having to spend 6,800 ISK every time you die. Do I care about 6,800 ISK every time I die? Yea I do.
With a Gallente suit on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 20,120 ISK. Is has 199 HP shields, 400 HP armor and a 6.25 HP/sec repair rate
With the Caldari on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 10,335 ISK. It has 329 HP shield, and 288 HP armor. Now this Caldar suit has a grand total of 17 more eHP than my Gallente at the cost of 6.25 HP/sec repair rate and an almost 100% increase in cost. Do I care about this? Yes I do. Why should others get such an advantage for no other reaso than that they happened to pick the right race.
My Gallente character specializes in assault rifles and I use the assault rifle BPO on my Caldari as well, but what about other characters, like the one that I am writing this post with? He is full Amarr and not only does it hurt him skill wise to be in a Caldari suit but he also has no skill for the AR. All his skills are into SR. That means that I have to spend another 1,500 ISK/death for this character, to buy a proper weapon.
I think that this stuff is important an needs to be adressed by CCP. |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.19 22:38:00 -
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[quote=Maken Tosch]As far as I'm concerned, there are only militia-level BPOs and it should stay they way for reasons mentioned here:
Well then you are miss informed, because non militia grade BPOs do infact exist. Std BPOs do exist I assure you.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:As far as I'm concerned, there are only militia-level BPOs and it should stay they way for reasons mentioned here: Well then you are miss informed, because non militia grade BPOs do infact exist. Std BPOs do exist I assure you. Example? Are you sure you're talking about the BPOs and not the disposable AUR ones?
Example... ? Sure:
"Raven" Caldari: std assault dropsuit "Dren" Caldari: std assault dropsuit "Dragonfly" Caldari: std assault dropsuit
"Valor" Gallente: std scout dropsuite "Dren" Gallente: std scout dropsuite "Dragonfly" Gallente: std scout dropsuite
I do believe there are others just in these two categories (I may be mistaken about scouts though)
I don't feel like digging to find the heavies and logistics. The above is enough proof. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:12:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:As far as I'm concerned, there are only militia-level BPOs and it should stay they way for reasons mentioned here: Well then you are miss informed, because non militia grade BPOs do infact exist. Std BPOs do exist I assure you. Example? Are you sure you're talking about the BPOs and not the disposable AUR ones? I think Dren might be STD, that's why there's been some fuss over them having STD functionality and MLT fitting requirements as I understand it.
No the Dren dropsuits are all std variants. Same same. It is the Dren weapons that have the militia requirements for CPU/PG. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:21:00 -
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Wow it is even worse than I thought. I misspoke earlyer:
The "Raven" and Valor are actually racial std varients. Which means that for a pittly thre levels into "Caldari Medium Dropsuits" and one level into "Caldari Assault Dropsuits" you get to use the Caldari racial bonus with out having to worry at all about any ISK recourse. If you have five levels into the racial suits bonus... Man that is just not fair even in the slightest.
That actually kind of upsets me. *shakes his head* |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:38:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It kinda sucks, I have three characters and none of them are Caldari. Why sould the Caldari be the only ones to get the best ISK grinding item in the game? With this character I am full Amarr, yet I am forced to have at least one ISK grinding fit with the Caldari BPO suit and a AR BPO. An AR BPO? I have all of my weapons SP into scramblers rifles and flaylocks. Why should it be that I am forced to be at such a disadvantage, by being forced to use a weapon into which I have no SP invested, while others are just running around having a good ol time?
So the question is: are you guys (CCP) planning on making BPOs for the rest of the std gear? And if not why? I think that each std weapon and std suit (basic suits only of course) need to get a BPO, just to even the playing field ISK wise.
If these things are in the works could you give us a time frame please? Or, you know, you could delete a character and make a new one Caldari, instead of complaining that you don't have a Caldari character.
Yes let all delete all of our Characters and all skill into Caldari. Yes that will add some variety to this game.
I'm not complaining that I don't have a caldari character. I don't want a Caldari character. I want an even playing field for the rest of the races. I am not even really complaining as much as I am pointing out the simple fact that some people in this game are being handed an unfair advantage and for no good reason what-so-ever. There is absolutely no reason why there shouldn't be std BPOs for the other races or no std BPOs at all and only militia BPOs for all races. Or just no BPOs at all. I really don't care, as long as it is fair across the board. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:43:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Wow it is even worse than I thought. I misspoke earlyer:
The "Raven" and Valor are actually racial std varients. Which means that for a pittly thre levels into "Caldari Medium Dropsuits" and one level into "Caldari Assault Dropsuits" you get to use the Caldari racial bonus with out having to worry at all about any ISK recourse. If you have five levels into the racial suits bonus... Man that is just not fair even in the slightest.
That actually kind of upsets me. *shakes his head* Racial suit bonuses is tied to the tier of the suit, not your investment in the relevant Dropsuit Command skill. Even if you have Caldari Assault Suits at 5 you'll only get a 5% bonus to extenders in a T1 STD, not the full 25%. Your point still stands, just being finnicky on the details.
*double buzzer sound* wrong.
If you have level five in the racial bonus it does not matter if you are using a proto or std suit, you still get the full bonus. If you don't believe me then try it out with the Minmatar sidarm bonus. I assure you it works.
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Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.20 01:52:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Commander Tuna wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Karl Koekwaus wrote:What this game needs is less BPOs, not more.
The more BPOs the less the buying of fits matter, which is kinda a Unique Selling Point and the sole reason why Dust is still bearable as far as gameplay goes. I just want an even playing field man. There is no reason why people should get such a massive advantage just because they happened to pick the right weapon/suit. So instead of using 18000 sp and 900 isk you want to spend zero? I am going to assume that you meant 18000 Aur (for a blue print) other wise your post doesn't make since to me and that by 900 ISK you meant for a milita BPC (which is actually 585 ISK). now that we have got that cleared up here is the deal: Let's take the Gallente for example: The Gallente millitia variant has no high slots three low slots and 25 PG (I am only listing the stats that are different between the suits). 585 ISK. The Gallente std varient has one high slot three low slots and 30 PG. 6,800 ISK. The Caldari militia variant has two high slot one low slot and 26 PG. 585 ISK. The Caldari std variant has two high slots, two low slots and 30pg. 6,800 ISK. Now, let's say that I have all of my SP into Gallente related skills (armor plates, armor repair, arguably biotics - if you don't have the lows to equip them then you can't use them). So this is the problem: why should someone get such a mass advantage just because they happened the pick Caldari? The difference is between free and having to spend 6,800 ISK every time you die. Do I care about 6,800 ISK every time I die? Yea I do. With a Gallente suit on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 20,120 ISK. It has 199 HP shields, 400 HP armor and a 6.25 HP/sec repair rate With the Caldari on my main character, the cheapest std suit I can build costs 10,335 ISK. It has 329 HP shield, and 288 HP armor. Now this Caldar suit has a grand total of 17 more eHP than my Gallente at the cost of 6.25 HP/sec repair rate and an almost 100% increase in cost. Do I care about this? Yes I do. Why should others get such an advantage for no other reaso than that they happened to pick the right race. My Gallente character specializes in assault rifles and I use the assault rifle BPO on my Caldari as well, but what about other characters, like the one that I am writing this post with? He is full Amarr and not only does it hurt him skill wise to be in a Caldari suit but he also has no skill for the AR. All his skills are into SR. That means that I have to spend another 1,500 ISK/death for this character, to buy a proper weapon. I think that this stuff is important an needs to be adressed by CCP. No I meant 18000 sp to skill into scrambler rifle then 900 isk to buy one but they are actually 1200isk. Standard gear is so cheap to buy and skill into. I don't see the fascination with having infinite suits.
Heh, your numbers are still off:
To skill the LV1 SR cost 12,440 SP.
To purchase the LV1 weapon cost 1,500 ISK.
However, your point is moot, when others are able to use a weapon that they have a massive amount of SP invested into already for free. It is 1,500 ISK to much. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:10:00 -
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Dude seriously? After the stunts you guys have been pulling on this forum lately, I wouldn't even **** on that game.
Can we get somebody to ban this guy. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:14:00 -
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Really? **** is a censored word but I can say damn? Wth? A slang name for a bodily liquid. I don't get that one. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:02:00 -
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This thread is not about proto BPOs. Get your own thread. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:11:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:It kinda sucks, I have three characters and none of them are Caldari. Why sould the Caldari be the only ones to get the best ISK grinding item in the game? With this character I am full Amarr, yet I am forced to have at least one ISK grinding fit with the Caldari BPO suit and a AR BPO. An AR BPO? I have all of my weapons SP into scramblers rifles and flaylocks. Why should it be that I am forced to be at such a disadvantage, by being forced to use a weapon into which I have no SP invested, while others are just running around having a good ol time?
So the question is: are you guys (CCP) planning on making BPOs for the rest of the std gear? And if not why? I think that each std weapon and std suit (basic suits only of course) need to get a BPO, just to even the playing field ISK wise.
If these things are in the works could you give us a time frame please?
More BPOs/time frame please. |
Son-Of A-Gun
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Posted - 2013.07.09 23:25:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:Yeah If you buy the $120 EvE Custom Edition or whatever it is, you'll get Amarr Templar BPO's (I think....they may just be BPC's)
#CCPHatestheAmarr They're BPOs. And i think current BPOs should be no more than color palletes that are applied to normal suits. Every BPO means a lost customer for eve industrialists.
EVE doesn't make anything for us. It all comes out of thin air. The fact is that std BPOs already exist in the game. It's a little late to remove them now. What needs to be done is for CCP to even the playing field by bringing out BPOs for the racial variants of suits and weapons. There is absolutely no reason why the Caldari should be given such a huge advantage by having the best ISK farming suit in the game (the only assault/medium frame std BPO or, even worse, the "Raven" assault class BPO, which benifits from the racial skill bonus).
There is absolutely no reason why the assault type BPOs we have should exist, yet there be nothing for any other race but Caldari. |
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