Lol? Nobody has been spreading around Tank 514 or HAV 514. It's still AR 514.

Why should one person be able to solo a tank?

The logic of an HAV needing 3 people of the same tier to destroy it is broken anyway- how many times are the 2 small turrets actually doing anything but farming assits?

Know you didnt say you wanted an i win button; but idk how long you've been playig; but back in E3/Codex days; the Sagaris & Suryas, they took 3+ people w/ AV to kill them, and even then it was just iffy if you'd get the kill. I understand tankers opinion more from my alt; but at same time, being AV im nervous people want to go back down that road, where 3-4 proto AV wouldn't kill a tank. Yes, i think 2-3 for a proto tank, pending on type and what is being used and setups is fine, but 3+ is to much.

Either way, only CCP can really fix this and it isn't in buffing or nerfing AV or vehicles, its simply ad

I suppose I wouldn't be popular if I resurfaced the prior discussion on solo tanks versus team tanks. Not popular with current tankers, never did have the core reason behind the idea properly addressed though. At all. I'll let it settle for this thread when it is, regardless of if I like the answer.

For a 2-man tank, separated driver and gunner, 2 AV users to suppress, 4 to burst damage hard enough for a chance of destruction in the act of suppression. 3 on the hunt to have a moderate chance of seek and destroy, 4+ for good chance. Seek and destroy rendered impractical if it's among infantry support.

If it's a solo tank 1 to suppress, 2 to burst damage hard enough for a decent chance of destruction if it doesn't rapidly break their fire. 2 on the hunt to have a very good chance at seek and destroy. Infantry support makes seek and destroy at least a 3 man job but still suffering reduced chances even with additional numbers.

It's not one or the other, either. No reason they can't both exist.

One man using proto avs should not be able to take out a proto tank, and in fact they cannot unless the tanker is real stupid thoughI have never seen this happen. All the proto tanks I have seen have been just that, tanks. This thread is just about people getting mad when they lose big money on tanks.

My bad I meant the racial enforcers.

A full sqd of GOOD players geared up will have more of an effect than 6 tanks with proto blasters.

what AV level are the people using? as that is a big determinant. Personally, i say if is in regards to proto, then NO. 1 should suffice, b/c by being destroyed teaches the tanker something about knowing his abilities, his surroundings, and makes you a better player. Sometimes you need that one person on the other team to make you think twice about what you want to do

So here is my question: Should the average tanker (think about the average tanker you see in a game that dies in the first 5 minutes of deploying his tank - 95% of all tanks) require 2 or 3 average av players to kill him with a 90% success rate averaged out over every possible scenario? or more? or less?

while the turret guys are getting all the wp i think not

As it stands I see them pretty balanced. Good tankers with good core skills can take a whopping with my proto forge gun and survive leaving me very angry and chasing them down only to die for me to die repeatedly in the process. I've attacked tanks that have been av'd and even then they did not die. these people are true tankers. The ones that tell you "look I don't have good suits but I can use a tank". A bad driver will have a bad tank. Another misconception is core skills. People forget these because they want to use a higher level tank, so they die to the wrath of my forge gun in their expensive tank.

Another thing is tactics. I see a lot of tanker just sit there and take hit after hit without moving and guess what they die. But it was a bad pilot. Same thing for anti vehicle. You can't expect to kill a good tank with militia swarms or basic av grenades. If you want to do this, then train up for it. As it stands I have forge gun v and spec III. I kill noobs and scare pros after 5 direct hits, after which they leave' rep and come back till I,m out of ammo effectively taking more than one person to kill. The only thing I see to make the situation better is to accept that if you want to be a tanker you have to dish out the sp for it and if you want to be an anti vehicle guy you have to dish out the so for it.

Max everything out and the difference will show. Be it av or using tankss

A player with many proto AV weapons should be able to kill a standard tank (1 player in tank) with proto modules. Maybe 1 full proto player should not be able to kill a full proto tank though if the tank decides to retreat insantly (the tank itself being proto level). Just seems like certain tanks and vehicles are way too strong when certain mods are applied, because they can survive an ambush of a full proto squad (because they are able to retreat easily and not die if they choose to run instantly). That kind of power should be with proto level tanks.

I specced into proto AV grenades and have adv swarm launchers. What I have found is its impossible to solo a well built tank or dropship because they can get away from you way too fast and regenerate armor way too fast (high HP armor tanks and dropships). Even a squad of 6 with proto AV weapons cant kill a armor tank or armor dropship (with heavy armor repair mods) because the armor regeneration gives them enough HP to retreat out of range. To solve this a decreased armor regen rate for heavy armor repair modules would solve the problem.

I found remote explosives to be under performing against tanks with proto mods and LLAVs because they can both survive 3 RE's (even if detonated while REs are underneath the stationary tank or LLAV) if they have good defense modules and are set up well enough. Never tried proxy mines though.

Shield tanks seem to regenerate shields slower and but still seem to regenerate shields a bit too fast to allow 1 player with many proto AV weapons to kill them before they can retreat. Although a squad of 6 players with proto AV weapons can kill them.

27000 DPS, heh. Think there's a zero too many there. Killing 3 tanks a second... AV is good, just not quite that good.

Wiyrkomi Swarm with stacked up dam mods on a high-slot suit might be at around 4500 damage a salvo versus armour. Don't have numbers to hand but sounds about right. Pretty crazy stuff.

Ishukone Assault Forge Gun has a maximum possible damage bonus of 35% and I think 1660 base damage. So modified it'd be 2246 if my ment arithmetic is in order, 1.875 seconds between shots. It hits like a truck to the Swarm's bullet train but with the massive advantage of brilliant range and excellent delivery. I'd figure DPS comes close to 600 with reload factored in. DPS doesn't give a clear picture in this instance though. Best to think of it as being able to burst almost 9000 damage across 10 seconds within a 300m range. Performs more than adequately.

Also remember that it limits you to a fatsuit. I'd say that's a drawback but one that can easily be worked with.

This is a good thread and i will continue reading it but currently im still on page one.

I havent played Planetside 2 but i see these mini mech suit things i think theyre called MAX?
Why dont we have something like that for AV players, give it like 1k base health and resistance vs large turrets and small weapons ( heavy handhelds would still do same damage ) give it like dual SMGs as an anti infantry counter so it would kind of be like a bigger heavy but extremely specialised into AV, give it ****** movement speed, like a heavy, but give it some sort of jump jet system so they can jump terrain and follow tanks/dropshis/lavs, give it faster lockon speeds and maybe let it change between missile types, the one thing i see people complaining about speccing AV is "WAAAA infantry will swamp me" this should really solve that problem while also give vehicle users a better chance as you can see this mini mech swarming you with missiles/forge guns jumping around the map.

Just an idea, id like some feedback on this in ways to nerf/buff this "mech"

Too many pages to read stopped at p5

IMO there should be tank variants for each level like with weapons

Miltia - Soma,Sica

Standard - Health tank, Speed tank, Damage tank

Advanced - Health tank, Speed tank, Damage tank

Prototype - Health tank, Speed tank, Damage tank
Prototype - Black ops/other

Health tanks would get a 25% health buff
Speed tanks would get a 25% speed buff
Damage tanks would get a 25% damage buff

or something like:
Health tanks would get a 25% health buff while also having a 15-25% speed and damage penalty
Speed tanks would get a 25% speed buff while also having a 15-25% health and damage penalty
Damage tanks would get a 25% damage buff while also having a 15-25% health and speed penalty

But its not really a mech so much as a exo suit, i dont see the problem with this? its suited to vs vehicles and not very effective vs infantry