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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:50:00 -
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i run proto av and proto logi and i specced charybdis for mobility however..every time i hop out of my lav to support my team e it healing or av support someone steals my lav and drives off officially making the battle not even worth it....this is a futuristic game where are my key slots ive been asking for for over a year why can i not lock my vehicle...if i have to drop 4 mill sp to drive this and they dont why cant i lock it....but since i cant lock it and scrubs take my lavs im left out in the open ina logi suit or av suit with no getaway....soo as a result i cant fullfill my function as logi or av and i have to just runover everyone and never leave my lav ;)
ccp we have been asking for this for over a year its not hard to do yet your adding aur items....this is why dust is tanking fix the small easy issues before trying to add more crap,...this is the number one most irritating thing i can think of as a vehicle user other than when blue dots used to afk in my tank ..oh and on that note what point is recall if we can remove cowering srubs from our vehicles to recall it....
fix it please we have only been asking since last june |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:53:00 -
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whats the point in a cru durp ship when people spawn and never leave till it gets dowwned....what the point in sneaky rail tanking when some scrub hopped into your missile turrent and is giving away your position every 1.7 secs shooting at the tank itself i know most tankers would be so freking happy if you put in 1 means to lock vehicles 2 means to remove people from vehicles that belong to you the solution to this problem ..i think is a command wheel for a vehicle owner that allows us to lock or eject people.....hell make it a skill.. would drop countless sp to know when i hop out of my lav in the middle of and enemy team to deal with a tank...my teamate isnt gunna take it and drive off leaving me to lose my proto suit..and then getting my lav blown up out of stupidity costing me a small fortune every time |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 12:56:00 -
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oh and if one of the dev who answers people could say weather or not u plan on implementing this..if not JUST SAY SO SO VEHICLE USER CAN GO PLAY A BETTER GAME. i dont think me and charlotte have ever gotten an answer ...jason wanted it too we have been petitioning for this FOR A YEAR and we cant even get an answer |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:01:00 -
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found one
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37908&find=unread
found two
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=949149#post949149
found three
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=941765#post941765
found four
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=940688#post940688
found five
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=929139#post929139
found six
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=895867#post895867
i could could continue forever ..could we perhaps get an answer |
Medic 1879
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:11:00 -
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Yeah I am not a vehicle driver or pilot but I fully agree with these, The closest I have been to fully commited to vehicles was an AV LAV in the last build and when with a squad it was great but having a blueberry in your turret shooting at anything but the tank infront of you was annoying. Also have an ALT for messing around with tanks and its extremley frustrating when the enemy team starts to bring out AV to counter you so you decide to switch back to infantry to counter that and yet you cant recall your tank because you have a womble playing shoot the mountain in one of the turrets. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:16:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Yeah I am not a vehicle driver or pilot but I fully agree with these, The closest I have been to fully commited to vehicles was an AV LAV in the last build and when with a squad it was great but having a blueberry in your turret shooting at anything but the tank infront of you was annoying. Also have an ALT for messing around with tanks and its extremley frustrating when the enemy team starts to bring out AV to counter you so you decide to switch back to infantry to counter that and yet you cant recall your tank because you have a womble playing shoot the mountain in one of the turrets. precisely |
Rich o
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:37:00 -
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+1 But first CCP needs to repair all the broken game mechanics (fps-drops, higher fps in general, lag, nanite injectors, grabbing ground, murder taxis, afk-farmers, ...) before implementing another new feature which then turns out not to work as intended. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 13:53:00 -
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Rich o wrote:+1 But first CCP needs to repair all the broken game mechanics (fps-drops, higher fps in general, lag, nanite injectors, grabbing ground, murder taxis, afk-farmers, ...) before implementing another new feature which then turns out not to work as intended.
there is so much that needs to be done i think this will balance and improve lavs eliminate murder taxi's but who know if ccp eve thinks its a problem https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85957&find=unread |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:33:00 -
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oh look someone else was talking about this just today lol https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85167&find=unread
just like every day for the past year |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:44:00 -
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CCP doesnt care what you want |
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:51:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:CCP doesnt care what you want your point. |
EXASTRA INVICTAS
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:51:00 -
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I am just stopping by this thread to say that any time I find a non Milita LAV I take it and just drive around waiting for someone to blow me up for fear of MurderTaxi 514.
Tears are kept in airtight jars. They are for sale if you would like your tears back at any time. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 18:53:00 -
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EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote:I am just stopping by this thread to say that any time I find a non Milita LAV I take it and just drive around waiting for someone to blow me up for fear of MurderTaxi 514.
Tears are kept in airtight jars. They are for sale if you would like your tears back at any time.
thats a mlt lav....you shouldn't be able to steal a friendly high end vehicle unless u can make it. |
ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:27:00 -
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Very easy fix..
You can't drive vehicles unless you have the skill to purchase them, and you cant operate turrets unless you have turret operation.
Atm skills are just "spend millions of SP to buy" not "Spend millions of SP to use" which makes no sense. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:33:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Very easy fix..
You can't drive vehicles unless you have the skill to purchase them, and you cant operate turrets unless you have turret operation.
Atm skills are just "spend millions of SP to buy" not "Spend millions of SP to use" which makes no sense. i would take any fix atm including this i know tankers that would put proto turrents on they're tank and consider it worth the loss to only have dedicated turenters and no scrubs in they're machine.very easy yet still not done...or even acknowledged...instead we get new aur suits |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:39:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i run proto av and proto logi and i specced charybdis for mobility however..every time i hop out of my lav to support my team e it healing or av support someone steals my lav and drives off officially making the battle not even worth it....this is a futuristic game where are my key slots ive been asking for for over a year why can i not lock my vehicle...if i have to drop 4 mill sp to drive this and they dont why cant i lock it....but since i cant lock it and scrubs take my lavs im left out in the open ina logi suit or av suit with no getaway....soo as a result i cant fullfill my function as logi or av and i have to just runover everyone and never leave my lav ;) ccp we have been asking for this for over a year its not hard to do yet your adding aur items....this is why dust is tanking fix the small easy issues before trying to add more crap,...this is the number one most irritating thing i can think of as a vehicle user other than when blue dots used to afk in my tank ..oh and on that note what point is recall if we can remove cowering srubs from our vehicles to recall it.... fix it please we have only been asking since last june Honestly this is one of the most important things that need to be implemented in the game right now... 100% in support of this... also there needs to be a feature to kick out teammates. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:43:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i run proto av and proto logi and i specced charybdis for mobility however..every time i hop out of my lav to support my team e it healing or av support someone steals my lav and drives off officially making the battle not even worth it....this is a futuristic game where are my key slots ive been asking for for over a year why can i not lock my vehicle...if i have to drop 4 mill sp to drive this and they dont why cant i lock it....but since i cant lock it and scrubs take my lavs im left out in the open ina logi suit or av suit with no getaway....soo as a result i cant fullfill my function as logi or av and i have to just runover everyone and never leave my lav ;) ccp we have been asking for this for over a year its not hard to do yet your adding aur items....this is why dust is tanking fix the small easy issues before trying to add more crap,...this is the number one most irritating thing i can think of as a vehicle user other than when blue dots used to afk in my tank ..oh and on that note what point is recall if we can remove cowering srubs from our vehicles to recall it.... fix it please we have only been asking since last june Honestly this is one of the most important things that need to be implemented in the game right now... 100% in support of this... also there needs to be a feature to kick out teammates. exactly L2 L3 pull open a alt command wheel for vehicle users only...a lock button and a spot for every position in the vehicle with the users name hover release and it kick the person ...for durp ships it should be confined to friendly air space and should auto inertial dampener |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 19:43:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Very easy fix..
You can't drive vehicles unless you have the skill to purchase them, and you cant operate turrets unless you have turret operation.
Atm skills are just "spend millions of SP to buy" not "Spend millions of SP to use" which makes no sense. or just this easier to implement ..but less selective |
ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:14:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Very easy fix..
You can't drive vehicles unless you have the skill to purchase them, and you cant operate turrets unless you have turret operation.
Atm skills are just "spend millions of SP to buy" not "Spend millions of SP to use" which makes no sense. or just this easier to implement ..but less selective
Its also going to be the only way we will ever get 'Deploy from corporation assets'.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:19:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Very easy fix..
You can't drive vehicles unless you have the skill to purchase them, and you cant operate turrets unless you have turret operation.
Atm skills are just "spend millions of SP to buy" not "Spend millions of SP to use" which makes no sense. or just this easier to implement ..but less selective Its also going to be the only way we will ever get 'Deploy from corporation assets'. but over a year of petitioning for this and nothing has been done :( ..they really should do something about this..it costs me more isk than gruelling battles do. and you mean you cant drive vehicles unless u has the skills to fit them right?..cause u can purchase anything |
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ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:23:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:but over a year of petitioning for this and nothing has been done :( ..they really should do something about this..it costs me more isk than gruelling battles do. and you mean you cant drive vehicles unless u has the skills to fit them right?..cause u can purchase anything
atm you can still buy dropsuits and modules you dont have the skill for, except it just says 'invalid fitting' right?
So why is it, when you drop down a tank I can hop in and use your tank just as effectively as you can? It really makes no sense.
This probably hasnt been fixed cause its priority zero on the long of list of crap they already need to do to fix this game |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.18 20:28:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:but over a year of petitioning for this and nothing has been done :( ..they really should do something about this..it costs me more isk than gruelling battles do. and you mean you cant drive vehicles unless u has the skills to fit them right?..cause u can purchase anything atm you can still buy dropsuits and modules you dont have the skill for, except it just says 'invalid fitting' right? So why is it, when you drop down a tank I can hop in and use your tank just as effectively as you can? It really makes no sense. This probably hasnt been fixed cause its priority zero on the long of list of crap they already need to do to fix this game priority 0 = a classification ccp devs give to issues that involve vehicles by far the shittiest aspect of dust 514.
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Draco Cerberus
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:06:00 -
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I appologize for the theft of any and all vehicles I have perpetrated to run you fine fellows down with but do it only to show that I appreciate being run over as much as you do. By the way, what recourse do we have if you hop out of the tank to rep it then get killed? We could just use it and keep it from the enemies ot let them hack it and then blow it up or let them hack it and let them kill the next tank you bring down with it...your choice.
Skills to use sure but locks I say no. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.19 10:29:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:I appologize for the theft of any and all vehicles I have perpetrated to run you fine fellows down with but do it only to show that I appreciate being run over as much as you do. By the way, what recourse do we have if you hop out of the tank to rep it then get killed? We could just use it and keep it from the enemies ot let them hack it and then blow it up or let them hack it and let them kill the next tank you bring down with it...your choice.
Skills to use sure but locks I say no. either or..im not playing atm simply because any time im ina pub instead of pc...other than murder taxi i cannot help my teeam cause there is always that one *******....so when people are sending me hatmail for driving around running people over..i would hop out and fight..and support my team ...but when doing so risks my team costing me 250 k ...NOOOPE |
D legendary hero
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Posted - 2013.06.19 11:30:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Very easy fix..
You can't drive vehicles unless you have the skill to purchase them, and you cant operate turrets unless you have turret operation.
Atm skills are just "spend millions of SP to buy" not "Spend millions of SP to use" which makes no sense.
anyone who takes your vehicle should reemburse you for it. so after the match, you get the ISK/AUR value of the stuff the used when it got blown up.
the last user rule will ensure you at least get the ISK/ARU back.
so if, some drives your car up on a cliff and leaves it there, and after time it just blows up, even though they left it there 15min ago, they are still responsible because they were the last user.
so if your reping your tank and the enemy kills you, and a teammate prevents the loss of your tank by taking it and fighting with it, but gets blown up, well, he still owes you the 250K+ for your tank that he shredded. |
EXASTRA INVICTAS
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.19 13:13:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:EXASTRA INVICTAS wrote:I am just stopping by this thread to say that any time I find a non Milita LAV I take it and just drive around waiting for someone to blow me up for fear of MurderTaxi 514.
Tears are kept in airtight jars. They are for sale if you would like your tears back at any time. thats a mlt lav....you shouldn't be able to steal a friendly high end vehicle unless u can make it. I said "non militia" if you were paying attention. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2013.06.19 13:16:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i run proto av and proto logi and i specced charybdis for mobility however..every time i hop out of my lav to support my team e it healing or av support someone steals my lav and drives off officially making the battle not even worth it....this is a futuristic game where are my key slots ive been asking for for over a year why can i not lock my vehicle...if i have to drop 4 mill sp to drive this and they dont why cant i lock it....but since i cant lock it and scrubs take my lavs im left out in the open ina logi suit or av suit with no getaway....soo as a result i cant fullfill my function as logi or av and i have to just runover everyone and never leave my lav ;) ccp we have been asking for this for over a year its not hard to do yet your adding aur items....this is why dust is tanking fix the small easy issues before trying to add more crap,...this is the number one most irritating thing i can think of as a vehicle user other than when blue dots used to afk in my tank ..oh and on that note what point is recall if we can remove cowering srubs from our vehicles to recall it.... fix it please we have only been asking since last june
Conclusion after playing for over a year: CCP don't want vehicles that can be lock by a owner. They want to give a 'new comer' a wide point of view on what they want or willing to skill up to in future - numerous kind of weapons that can be used without skills, or aur'um items with no skill requirements just prove it. I think that players always will be allow to enter vehicle as passenger, and maybe as driver to, but it could be cut to Pilot dropsuit at some point in future, so that only pilots are allow to drive vehicles.
In past the problem of which you speak was greater, because skills had no bonuses. Decent HAV required 5kk SP(for example) and thats it, blank number that had no impact on performance - there was no difference in quality of using HAV between persons that had skills for it, and don't.
CCP are in the process of gently changing it since then, but without completely-disallowing players to enter vehicle that they don't have skill to use, instead make them perform less effective than players that have those skills. Separating skills on vehicle and dropsuit's was one of those steps that CCP made in direction of rewarding people that have skills for vehicle from those that don't have them. Previously armor/shield skills was merge so if someone had them on 5 they were same effective on vehicle that on any dropsuit - since they are separate guy that steals someone vehicle perform less effective. Today it's apply to tank, and dmg. I would like to see point where it's also apply to maneuverability, speed, scanner systems(tactical awareness: position of enemy vehicle on map, position of ours) - so stealing someones vehicle makes it less rewarding, because 'right' owner would perform those actions much faster, accurately etc.
I would also like to see something like separate voice-chat for driver and a crew that temporary activate when you enters someone's vehicle and you can hear what pilot have to say to you, how to perform gunner role, what's target is primary - and stuff like that, but I don't think CCP will ever agree that this is really needed in game :) mostly because of how much work-time it would cost at this time, but hey.. maybe in far future.
Back to Pilot suit - I think it make sense that only Pilots can perform piloting roles, and only them are allow to be a driver. We could have militia pilot suit that allow to drive only militia vehicle, adv. to drive adv. vehicle etc. or pilot suit that give bigger bonuses if vehicle is in the same type as suit(if suit is lower type it gives less bonuses but allow you to fulfill driver role, and if you are using proto suit on militia vehicle it gives same bonuses as militia suit).
But why restrict driving only to pilot suit? because in EVE stealing required planning - when you warp on belt with shuttle you will not steal too much from a miner that hold his ore in cargo can, but if you plan this and use transport ship with cargo expander, your action will be more rewarding - and that push us to conclusion that stealing in general required thinking, planning, preparing.. (but not so much in Dust right now :P ).
Mortedeamor wrote:whats the point in a cru durp ship when people spawn and never leave till it gets dowwned....what the point in sneaky rail tanking when some scrub hopped into your missile turrent and is giving away your position every 1.7 secs shooting at the tank itself i know most tankers would be so freking happy if you put in(...)
I have different idea to that:
1. New vehicle CRU module on Dropships, that is singiel use and work in similar manner to dropping a bomb from a plane. Dropping-CRU or Active-CRU as you prefer could be something like extended version of Drop Uplink, it is deactivated on board of Dropship so none can spawn on it while fly from point to point. ACRU:
- would work only after deploying on battlefield by DS Pilot - in moment when Pilot activities it detaches from DS, land on the ground and start 'working'.
- may be resistant to conventional weapons, same as other structures, of course including Flux grenade that destroy all deployed equipment instantly and ACRU can be destroyed only by AV weapons.
- ACRU vanish after certain number of use, same as DU but it differs in that it have extended scanning range, and HP(and using it gives more fun).
2. HAV driver should be able to turn off Small Turret from radial fitting menu - it would disallow shooting form small turret and that place would be treated as simple passenger seat on HAV same as second place in LAV(passenger can look around and that's it). If HAV driver would be allow to not fit Small Turrets at all that would also work even much.. that damn PG requirements.. |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.19 13:43:00 -
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i think limiting the driver seat to pilot suits is insane that forces you to be only transport or murder taxi if you want a lav...takes away the entire point of having an lav......so because ccp want scrubs to see what they could have .....they get free riegn on any vehicle if the driver seat is empty ..so ....other than pc....i will no longer run av...or logi in pubs just murder taxi.... and if ccp doesnt ever get around to answering me on this i like so many others who spec vehicles in dust will leave ...maybe in ten years ill hop on here and see and answer from ccp like ( hmm yes we know and are working on implementing the fix when u ask SOON tm) |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.06.19 14:06:00 -
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anger sated by ccp response...glad they know the problems there ..even if there may be no fix coming soon...nowing that if i do the seven year war i wont have to deal with this the entire time is enough for me |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:56:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP doesnt care what you want your point.
My point? you won't get anything you ask for. You'll actually get the exact opposite. |
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