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KatanaPT wrote:

hgghyujh wrote:

KatanaPT wrote:

CCP Frame wrote:

Kiro Justice wrote:

Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all?

Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff!

Operation: Arzad and Fweddit

We are but puppets for EVE players. As a only Dust corporation i gain nothing from FW, yet we endure and fight for Gallente and Mimmatar, winning sometimes, losing other times. But we continue fighting...

Is this not true of all wars?? are the solders not always the puppets of the faction they fight for? while you like many solders falsely perceive their navies as the puppeteers, those navy's are are nothing more then strings moving the puppets here and there, at the whims of those who will never have to suffer for the wars they instigate.

how lucky is the mercenary then? the mercenary does not answer to a puppeteer. his only masters are his own desires; money, fame, power, revenge, curiosity, his twisted sense of morality, these are the only sovereign a mercenary answers to. he wears his strings like most men wear their clothes.

The mercenary is limited only by himself and his cohorts.

Then what is the diference from public matches to FW? To a Dust player: None. All im saying is that a corp with only dust players should get some kind of bonus or benefits from FW matches, be it salvage, more isk, lower market prices, etc

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Kiro Justice The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 110	Posted - 2013.06.18 04:47:00 - [1] - Quote Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all?
Nebra Tene Roaming Blades 79	Posted - 2013.06.18 05:48:00 - [2] - Quote Somewhat of an affect, but mostly just when its a big organized effort from both sides in EvE and DUST.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:26:00 - [3] - Quote Your question is my major pet peeve with FW right now, There is no goal and no sense of accomplishment as you get no feedback on what that battle accomplished, that and there is no clear way to coordinate with EVE players unless you participated in FW EVE side or have put in a lot of effort into finding out how to coordinate with them. This means eve FW doesn't get proper dust support and dust FW doesn't get proper eve support. To answer your question. if you get a group together and coordinate with eve pilots, you can make a big difference. As individuals?? not so much, basically the more FW battles won by one side the easier (or harder ) it is for eve pilots to take over that system. FW battles are generated by the actions of pilots eve side so you are always contributing the fight, but you could always be contributing to a fight that some noobs are having that has no bearing on the main conflicts in FW. That is why its better to coordinate with eve pilots if you can that way you know your efforts being put to good use, that said statistically your fights will have a relevant effect as the main conflicts in EVE will generate the most FW battles.

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1040	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:37:00 - [4] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit

hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:43:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Frame!! you should read that way to long post above you:)

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1043	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:44:00 - [6] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: CCP Frame!! you should read that way to long post above you:) I did! I read everything! :)

hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:47:00 - [7] - Quote :)
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 644	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:49:00 - [8] - Quote anything for dust players or is just for EVE players? because I don't see why planet control matters to us.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:49:00 - [9] - Quote good link BTW thats what I was thinking of the whole time I was typing that.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 204	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:50:00 - [10] - Quote Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes you do have an effect, a concerted effort Dust Side really helps out EVE side, you guys cut a 15 min plexing time down a couple of mins, enough that I was able to nab that complex and get out just as a WT Thrasher jumped into system.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 204	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:52:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit You know installing turrets around complexes that us Dusties can fight over to activate you really put the screw you to unwary complexers and allow us to help defend complexs with EVE side contacts..... Just saying I wouldn't mind getting blown up by a turret if I knew mercs were fighting over it on a nearby planet....might even make it necessary for EVE FWer to split fleets between providing OB support to mercs and complex, as well as hunting WT.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 154	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:53:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes you do have an effect, a concerted effort Dust Side really helps out EVE side, you guys cut a 15 min plexing time down a couple of mins, enough that I was able to nab that complex and get out just as a WT Thrasher jumped into system. I'm sure that means nothing to him.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 644	Posted - 2013.06.18 06:57:00 - [13] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: True Adamance wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes you do have an effect, a concerted effort Dust Side really helps out EVE side, you guys cut a 15 min plexing time down a couple of mins, enough that I was able to nab that complex and get out just as a WT Thrasher jumped into system. I'm sure that means nothing to him. means nothing to me. still looking for that why should I care about FW battles as more then just training for PC.
steadyhand amarr Amarr Immortal Volunteers 723	Posted - 2013.06.18 08:38:00 - [14] - Quote Most groups should have channels you can join to get stuck in. For example amarr immortals is one that always has people kicking about :-)
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 205	Posted - 2013.06.18 08:41:00 - [15] - Quote ladwar wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: True Adamance wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes you do have an effect, a concerted effort Dust Side really helps out EVE side, you guys cut a 15 min plexing time down a couple of mins, enough that I was able to nab that complex and get out just as a WT Thrasher jumped into system. I'm sure that means nothing to him. means nothing to me. still looking for that why should I care about FW battles as more then just training for PC. Players should only care about what they want out of the game. I get a kick out of rolling with other RPers writing a characters back story, imagining all the reasons why Im fighting these battles, and writing fiction about them afterwards. If that's not your thing and you don't care about the factions involved the FW has nothing for you. You can get all of the PC prep training out of Pub matches, if you do care and are involved with an FW corporations which co-ordinate these things and make use of the bonuses then you get more out of it that someone who doesn't.
KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 196	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:25:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit We are but puppets for EVE players. As a only Dust corporation i gain nothing from FW, yet we endure and fight for Gallente and Mimmatar, winning sometimes, losing other times. But we continue fighting...
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:39:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Players should only care about what they want out of the game. I get a kick out of rolling with other RPers writing a characters back story, imagining all the reasons why Im fighting these battles, and writing fiction about them afterwards. If that's not your thing and you don't care about the factions involved the FW has nothing for you. You can get all of the PC prep training out of Pub matches, if you do care and are involved with an FW corporations which co-ordinate these things and make use of the bonuses then you get more out of it that someone who doesn't. This! Frankly FW should be nothing more then taking dust players a little further down the rabbit whole, get them interacting with eve players and showing them more of the scope of the game. Frankly all the best players can be found in PUB matches as they know that that is the most efficient way to grind for the SP and isk they need for PC battles. FW should be, and arguably is, for the players that want more depth in their game but aren't ready or interested in PC. If you want good PC training get in or form a corp, play together often, and put aside some isk for a clone pack, then practice by using that clone pack to attack some district for the fun of it. If you are in a corp that is already participating in PC .......... well I don't know what to tell you the only real practice for PC is participating in it, and if you can't get that in your corp............ frankly it maybe time to find an other corp, which could be hard considering thanks to how stupid simple awoxing is few PC corps are recruiting.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 205	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:47:00 - [18] - Quote KatanaPT wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit We are but puppets for EVE players. As a only Dust corporation i gain nothing from FW, yet we endure and fight for Gallente and Mimmatar, winning sometimes, losing other times. But we continue fighting... Then you guys need to develop and EVE side presence. Half the reason this game is good will be because of the links. If you make them now it'll be easier in the long run.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 09:59:00 - [19] - Quote KatanaPT wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit We are but puppets for EVE players. As a only Dust corporation i gain nothing from FW, yet we endure and fight for Gallente and Mimmatar, winning sometimes, losing other times. But we continue fighting... Is this not true of all wars?? are the solders not always the puppets of the faction they fight for? while you like many solders falsely perceive their navies as the puppeteers, those navy's are are nothing more then strings moving the puppets here and there, at the whims of those who will never have to suffer for the wars they instigate. how lucky is the mercenary then? the mercenary does not answer to a puppeteer. his only masters are his own desires; money, fame, power, revenge, curiosity, his twisted sense of morality, these are the only sovereign a mercenary answers to. he wears his strings like most men wear their clothes. The mercenary is limited only by himself and his cohorts.
KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 197	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:00:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: KatanaPT wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit We are but puppets for EVE players. As a only Dust corporation i gain nothing from FW, yet we endure and fight for Gallente and Mimmatar, winning sometimes, losing other times. But we continue fighting... Then you guys need to develop and EVE side presence. Half the reason this game is good will be because of the links. If you make them now it'll be easier in the long run. Wrong. Im sorry but a corp fighting in FW, with almost a null presence in EVE, should reap some benefits from fighting in FW. Afterall this is a console game.

KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 197	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:03:00 - [21] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: KatanaPT wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit We are but puppets for EVE players. As a only Dust corporation i gain nothing from FW, yet we endure and fight for Gallente and Mimmatar, winning sometimes, losing other times. But we continue fighting... Is this not true of all wars?? are the solders not always the puppets of the faction they fight for? while you like many solders falsely perceive their navies as the puppeteers, those navy's are are nothing more then strings moving the puppets here and there, at the whims of those who will never have to suffer for the wars they instigate. how lucky is the mercenary then? the mercenary does not answer to a puppeteer. his only masters are his own desires; money, fame, power, revenge, curiosity, his twisted sense of morality, these are the only sovereign a mercenary answers to. he wears his strings like most men wear their clothes. The mercenary is limited only by himself and his cohorts. Then what is the diference from public matches to FW? To a Dust player: None. All im saying is that a corp with only dust players should get some kind of bonus or benefits from FW matches, be it salvage, more isk, lower market prices, etc
hooc order Deep Space Republic 400	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:06:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit Just to be clear. You just posted a link to redit to explain how something was effected in EvE by Dust.... .... Here is a question for you; Do you think it is even remotely good game design that a console player has to go to redit to see the effect his actions have in the game?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 205	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:07:00 - [23] - Quote KatanaPT wrote: hgghyujh wrote: KatanaPT wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit We are but puppets for EVE players. As a only Dust corporation i gain nothing from FW, yet we endure and fight for Gallente and Mimmatar, winning sometimes, losing other times. But we continue fighting... Is this not true of all wars?? are the solders not always the puppets of the faction they fight for? while you like many solders falsely perceive their navies as the puppeteers, those navy's are are nothing more then strings moving the puppets here and there, at the whims of those who will never have to suffer for the wars they instigate. how lucky is the mercenary then? the mercenary does not answer to a puppeteer. his only masters are his own desires; money, fame, power, revenge, curiosity, his twisted sense of morality, these are the only sovereign a mercenary answers to. he wears his strings like most men wear their clothes. The mercenary is limited only by himself and his cohorts. Then what is the diference from public matches to FW? To a Dust player: None. All im saying is that a corp with only dust players should get some kind of bonus or benefits from FW matches, be it salvage, more isk, lower market prices, etc Well if there was an LP store I hope there is then that would be fantastic, players can earn LP by fighting in FW matches, much like in EVE where they can then buy a number of unique goodies, faction navy gear, re skinned dropsuits that can sell for higher price on player markets, better weapons, etc all faction related gear. However I'm one for loyalty, I think that if a Dust corp signs on for FW or the corp is EVE made and already involved in FW the players should be locked into using that factions LP store, sorry guys working for more than one faction is right out and doesn't make sense seeing as FW would be for loyalist groups.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 205	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:10:00 - [24] - Quote hooc order wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes, your activity does indeed affect FW stuff! Operation: Arzad and Fweddit Just to be clear. You just posted a link to redit to explain how something was effected in EvE by Dust.... .... Here is a question for you; Do you think it is even remotely good game design that a console player has to go to redit to see the effect his actions have in the game? Its not that its the Fweddit I believe was form from reddit users therefore it make sense to post it there because they were attached to Subdreddit more reddit users.....logic really.
KatanaPT Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance 197	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:12:00 - [25] - Quote ^ That would be great True. A currency you would only earn in FW, that would be spent on factional gear. Pretty good idea.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 31	Posted - 2013.06.18 10:17:00 - [26] - Quote agreed FW should bring something else to the table but frankly anything outside of Pub matches is going to require coordination with EVE to be really worth while, I mean that is what this game is bringing to the table a already inhabited, funtioning universe, yes there needs to be a better pay off, whether access to higher reward FW missions or access to officer weapon via a LP store (this would require officer variants for all the missing racial weapons and player trading to not be abusive). That said there is no real bonus to PC right now its more for bragging rights the money you make off clones is really not significant due to the constant attacks you come under, and frankly FW shouldn't pay out ridiculously either, it really is more about offering a deeper more tactical game, and if you have no interest in that then you should probably be rooting for the return of grudge matches.
Kiro Justice The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 111	Posted - 2013.06.18 16:05:00 - [27] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: True Adamance wrote: Kiro Justice wrote: Do we have any effect in FW. I mean overall, does out presence effect the FW stuff at all? Yes you do have an effect, a concerted effort Dust Side really helps out EVE side, you guys cut a 15 min plexing time down a couple of mins, enough that I was able to nab that complex and get out just as a WT Thrasher jumped into system. I'm sure that means nothing to him. Actually, I'm happy to know this. Even if I'm not making any extra ISK off of the difference I'm making, I AM making a difference. That was an important part of this game to me and I'm glad it's coming to fruition, however slowly.


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