exactly, which is why i recommended that all other stats stay reltively the same.

even if the HMG had the same range as an AR the heavy suit wouldnt be able to advance fast enough to keep you within that range.


HMG is not point defense, nor is it really for offense. its a versitle weapon within the boundries of supression

i have my best sucess when using it like this although as stated earlier it needs a serious buff.

using it as supression, i can defend a point if need be, or if with my team taking an objective, i can supress enemies advancing on them. supression protects your team/squad, it defends, access points, hallways, it prevents enemies from crossing open areas, it puts ARs under pressure.

the idea is suppresion, putting large amounts of ammo in the air against enemies to stop their advance, or help your team advance/reposition. supression can be offensive or defensive depending on your teams location and objectives. but for supression to work you need to do hgh damage.


yet the slow mobility makes it difficult to attack with (therefore, it can not be used on offense even if all my suggestions were implimented).


if you think of a heavy as the infantry size version of a tank things will become clearer. tanks are great infantry supression weapons, and can help advance the frontline, BUT if a tank heads too far out infront of the squad it could easily be destroyed by AV, tanks move slow (not so slow that it can't move however), and are generally everyones target. tanks have resistances to damage.
tanks live longer when with a squad.






(of course tanks ca be used to over run positions but heavies can't and arent meant to do that. this is the biggest difference between a tank and a heavy.)

but assaults and logis in fact have the best of both worlds...lol and i didnt even say i wanted the best of both, i just want to be efficeint at what im supposed to do.


think of it, assaults, and logi's can get absurdly high ehp, at the proto level achieving the same or more than a heavy while having zero, or limited speed reduction to mobility. theier turn speed is godly, and the accuracy on the AR (because 75%+ kills are all some form of AR) even with no SP in it, is godly, inadition to the high dps, absurd range, great hip fire, you can do everything with an AR, except AV, but ive been in situations where a squad of 6 with militia ARs blow up a tank just by shooting it...lol from full hp!

on top of that a fully charged scrambler rifle can one shoot most suits with only militia damage mods, (the over heating balances this out, but you get the point).

you can do point defense, offense, objectives, basically everything better with a logistics and assault suit than you can with a heavy suit. so, really dnt know what your talking about telling me that im trying to make the heavy good at everything, when your assault suit is with an AR is superior to basically every ofther infantry weapon in the game.


your idea of balance is pbvious because your solution to everything is go assault, is this AR 514? STFU, your idea of balance is:
assault suit + AR > everything else.

i dnt care what your K/D is in pub matches. my 5.6 millioin SP into heavy suits, and HMGs says other wise.

also the links are in the post.

to even a get a HMG you need to put 1million SP into weapnry lvl 5 so dont give me that bullshit. you dnt need to max damage on ARs, when you already got the blanket 10% and out range everthing else. the only buff to damage you may need is through damage mods, to beat other ARs because those are your only challenge.

I know people that can get their ******* dragon fly assualts to have 500ehp, and run around with militia Ars that chread. or exile assault rifles.

in short you dnt know what the f*** your talking about.

Another Heavy SOB since you like talking **** the invitation is open to you too. you can squad up with me anytime i'm on and i can prove to you i am not lying, and that i am indeed a good player.

just add me as contact, unless of course you just like to talk **** on forums.

yeah, u look silly getting all riled up and PO'd. even more so threatening to put ure hmg down his throat.

ill effin go toe-to-toe with all of ya with my militia fit and i guaranDAMNtee you'll know who ure facing

see, i can do it too. am i cool now?

I think D is right. I can kill an HMG heavy with easy and from safe distance, and my amarr suit is not so high HP.

How can people say it's for point defense, when attacking the SAME AREA you can't kill? You get a MAGICAL DEFENSE BONUS?
Consider that in offense you can make a surprise attack.
In Defense, couse of high prof, an enemy know that you're there.

and please, for the sake of god, STOP WATCHING PUBSCRUB MATCH to prove you're Argument. I suppose D was talking about PC & CORP battle.
Feel free to attack and Imperfect, or Sinergy and Teamplayer district an then show me your 4-5 KDR in a match vs people knowing what they do.

Although HMG Heavies are capable of point defense, almost any other class does this role better. It is impractical for a Heavy to stand by and defend an area when squads are usually tackling objectives together. The only way for a heavy to fulfill this part is to have other mid to long range shooters dedicated to defending the same place, but such players are hard to come by other than snipers who tend to stay put. Even in a perfect scenario where three or so AR users, two snipers, and a shotgun scout stay behind, the Heavy in most cases will serve as "bait" rather than a means of fire suppression.

Now, if I did want to limit myself to playing a point defense role, I sure would not use an HMG. The Forge Gun is more practical for this as is the AR and even the MD or Flaylock. No amount of DPS or HP can overlook the slow movement/turning speed, wide bullet dispersion, limited range, most noticeable profile signature, and the inability to jump of an HMG Heavy. In fact, I still do not understand why many bring up the DPS of the HMG altogether. When calculating dispersion, range, and turning speed, it will be noticed that DPS for the HMG only proves its worth towards stationary targets.

I kown you are on EON, i want YOU SHOW ME you 4/5 kdr in a PC MATCH to prove YOUR ARGM
Vids it, so all people who complain about heavy see your vids and STFU.


Again, stop watching pubscrub for balance Classes.

Someone still need to explain how if your Turn speed is too low for offense, how can be good for defense?

i played you guys and owned you already. anyway you know my corp. its listed here. you really wanna play me? add me as contact. i aint hiding. anyone can play with my squad or ill join your squad and you'll see exactly what im talking about. enough talk show and prove or keep it to yourself.

no i was refering to last week when i got an obital by myself verse you guys, while i was using a std heavy suit and std hmg and you guys were running proto gear, and duvoles.

plus, i don't even remember playing you guys because every team i played last niht sucked. i thought you guys were better than that. i was in a squad of 2, myself included.

finally, 3-4kills, with over 22 assists bro. and i got over 1200 WP just by taking your ****. thats way you lost, we weren't playing ambush bro, it was skirmish about the null canons, you know the things with the letters over them.

btw, my only 2 deaths were from getting ran over, and your orbital. if it takes you an obrital to take out 1 'dren' assault suit. you need some help